Packers tried to trade for Jonathan Taylor

[OldSchool101]

Frankly I’d like to see us draft a young stud in that Round 2-4 area next year. Round 3 is a generally a place you can often find a great quality starting caliber RB and they’d be on cheap money for 4 seasons.

Who knows? We might’ve even struck Silver with Emmanuel Wilson. Let’s see what we’ve got with him this year. If he’s starter capable by 2024 area I could see waiting until Rd4-5 like we did with Jones/Williams

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Good points. I'm just wondering if the Packers could afford it. Taylor doesn't sound like he's gonna be providing any discounts.

They could "afford" just about any player, as long as the deal was structured correctly. Now the bigger question is "should they spend that kind of money on a RB, as well as draft assets?"

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Frankly I’d like to see us draft a young stud in that Round 2-4 area next year. Round 3 is a generally a place you can often find a great quality starting caliber RB and they’d be on cheap money for 4 seasons.

Who knows? We might’ve even struck Silver with Emmanuel Wilson. Let’s see what we’ve got with him this year. If he’s starter capable by 2024 area I could see waiting until Rd4-5 like we did with Jones/Williams

While I get what you are saying, if you sift through all the drafts, no position, in any round, even a RB, is ever a sure thing. JT is most definitely a sure thing.

 

[OldSchool101]

While I get what you are saying, if you sift through all the drafts, no position, in any round, even a RB, is ever a sure thing. JT is most definitely a sure thing.

Yes. That’s true but at RB you tend to get a pretty good one on Day 2, just historically.
If we had an equivalent at TE? I’d be all over it.
Also we’re talking double digits $$$ for Taylor, not to mention they’ll want a substantial draft pick.
It’s fun to think about but probably costly

 

[PikeBadger]

Why? Why try to trade for Taylor, when you're already pretty well set at running back. You'd be giving up a lot in pics and cap for a move that's not a " move the needle " type of move. Apparently all this news may have done is possibly alienate Dillon. Want to make a big move, that would have a difference making effect for the team? See about trading for Chris Jones.

Dillon is not Rodgers. I think it's a given that every player in the league is going to have young or new guys brought in to eventually take their place. It absolutely HAS to be that way.

 

[Poppa San]

I assume the answer is "yes, he has to still sit out a total of 4 games", which brings his value down some.

I heard it was this when he went on the PUP list.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Gute's seeming over-valuation of the running back position is going to bite the Packers unless he figures out the realities of the position soon. Taylor didn't report because he wants to be paid like a top RB in the NFL; so any team that was going to trade for him was absolutely going to pay him upwards of $15m per year (Kamara is second at that rate, McCaffrey is first at $16m per). Gute's willingness to spend that much on a position as replaceable as running back is just strange. Look at the elite offenses in the NFL, the Chargers are probably the only team with an elite RB.

I look at it this way; I think the Packers, with a good QB and a defense that's a good safety away from being elite, would be better off signing Devin Singletary for $5m a year for two season and using that extra $10m to sign Kamren Curl (a REALLY good safety) from the Commanders next season. "But an elite RB like Taylor would help Love out so much"...What will help Love win more games is a great defense that can make sure he's not forced to abandon the run because the team keeps giving up 30+ points. The Packers have an elite RB in Jones and can sign a pretty good RB for far less than Taylor in the off-season (Dillon has been a major disappointment thus far and I hope the Packers don't overpay to keep him around).

 

[milani]

Gute's seeming over-valuation of the running back position is going to bite the Packers unless he figures out the realities of the position soon. Taylor didn't report because he wants to be paid like a top RB in the NFL; so any team that was going to trade for him was absolutely going to pay him upwards of $15m per year (Kamara is second at that rate, McCaffrey is first at $16m per). Gute's willingness to spend that much on a position as replaceable as running back is just strange. Look at the elite offenses in the NFL, the Chargers are probably the only team with an elite RB.

I look at it this way; I think the Packers, with a good QB and a defense that's a good safety away from being elite, would be better off signing Devin Singletary for $5m a year for two season and using that extra $10m to sign Kamren Curl (a REALLY good safety) from the Commanders next season. "But an elite RB like Taylor would help Love out so much"...What will help Love win more games is a great defense that can make sure he's not forced to abandon the run because the team keeps giving up 30+ points. The Packers have an elite RB in Jones and can sign a pretty good RB for far less than Taylor in the off-season (Dillon has been a major disappointment thus far and I hope the Packers don't overpay to keep him around).

Packers can use talent in many places to help win games. RB is the last place. Whether it is defense, wide outs, TEs, or ST we can use all the help we can get. But not at RB.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Packers do not need a RB.

Well that certainly says it all. This talk of Taylor seems to be just that, talk. As you say, the Packers don't need a RB, Taylor makes no sense for a few reasons, least of all is money. This seems to be a media creation or maybe a fan creation that somehow got legs.

 

[tynimiller]

Taylor makes all the sense in the world IF the team knows something we don't...which might include Jones not being willing to shred his massive contract and void years up to a point and restart to stay next year (he may have said this year in negotiations...)....or perhaps they know where Dillon and his agent are at and they don't see the value there.

This makes a Taylor acquisition have sense and the need is there, albeit not in this very moment. It's like when we drafted Gary, zero need at OLB then but knew need would be there in the future more and more (Fackrell had one year left team knew)...who knew how long they'd keep Smiths....

I am not a fan of paying RBs big money, but also have news for folks - we ARE with Jones. Taylor is massively younger, has at least three or four more lethal years if stays healthy and IMO as much as I adore Jones - Taylor is a better RB likely here very soon due to father time being undefeated. Paying one running back and constantly shoving through Day2/3/UDFA backs as their depth I think is an okay way of managing money.

Also NOW is the time if you want to pay a RB...not in two or three years when guys like Doubs / Watson / Love / Tom / Stokes / Quay and other young building blocks might be up or wanting to discuss extensions.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Taylor makes all the sense in the world IF the team knows something we don't...which might include Jones not being willing to shred his massive contract and void years up to a point and restart to stay next year (he may have said this year in negotiations...)....or perhaps they know where Dillon and his agent are at and they don't see the value there.

This makes a Taylor acquisition have sense and the need is there, albeit not in this very moment. It's like when we drafted Gary, zero need at OLB then but knew need would be there in the future more and more (Fackrell had one year left team knew)...who knew how long they'd keep Smiths....

I am not a fan of paying RBs big money, but also have news for folks - we ARE with Jones. Taylor is massively younger, has at least three or four more lethal years if stays healthy and IMO as much as I adore Jones - Taylor is a better RB likely here very soon due to father time being undefeated. Paying one running back and constantly shoving through Day2/3/UDFA backs as their depth I think is an okay way of managing money.

Also NOW is the time if you want to pay a RB...not in two or three years when guys like Doubs / Watson / Love / Tom / Stokes / Quay and other young building blocks might be up or wanting to discuss extensions.

My first gut reaction to the JT rumors of the Packers being interested in him, was "yeah, right, they don't need a RB". However, after sitting on the thought for the day, my thought process was exactly what you spelled out here. Acquiring him would be more about 2024 and beyond. That said, would he and Aaron Jones be a heck of a tandem this season? Heck yes. Would he take some pressure off of Love and the passing game, most definitely.

Aaron Jones is a great back, Dillon is a good back, but how will they both be when defenses load the box with 7, because they don't have to worry about Aaron Fricking Rodgers anymore? Dillon is in his final year of his contract, he may walk in 2024. Jones will be 29 in Dec. and is in a contract that would mean a $17.7M cap hit next year, if it isn't restructured.

Jonathan Taylor is a proven 24 year old quantity. Is he going to cost more than an average back? Of course he is, but odds are, he is going to provide more than 90% of the backs in the league. He had over 2100 all purpose yards in 2021.

My only pause on JT is how much does he want and what do the Colts want in a trade.

 

[tynimiller]

My first gut reaction to the JT rumors of the Packers being interested in him, was "yeah, right, they don't need a RB". However, after sitting on the thought for the day, my thought process was exactly what you spelled out here. Acquiring him would be more about 2024 and beyond. That said, would he and Aaron Jones be a heck of a tandem this season? Heck yes. Would he take some pressure off of Love and the passing game, most definitely.

Aaron Jones is a great back, Dillon is a good back, but how will they both be when defenses load the box with 7, because they don't have to worry about Aaron Fricking Rodgers anymore? Dillon is in his final year of his contract, he may walk in 2024. Jones will be 29 in Dec. and is in a contract that would mean a $17.7M cap hit next year, if it isn't restructured.

Jonathan Taylor is a proven 24 year old quantity. Is he going to cost more than an average back? Of course he is, but odds are, he is going to provide more than 90% of the backs in the league. He had over 2100 all purpose yards in 2021.

My only pause on JT is how much does he want and what do the Colts want in a trade.

Buddy who is a Colts fan just asked what if Colts say give us Jones and a 3rd....you say yes?

Honestly, no. But that is the fan in me talking - I don't want to trade either Jones or Dillon. Removing emotions, if I think I can make Taylor contract extension work, pair him with Love in his prime years....I think any logical GM would have to consider.

Talk Dillon into a good but lower cost, maybe higher guarantee deal to stay where he loves and be our SOLID pairing with Taylor.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Buddy who is a Colts fan just asked what if Colts say give us Jones and a 3rd....you say yes?

That thought crossed my mind, trading Jones for him. The biggest problem with it, his contract is like Bahk's, the dead cap would be a killer. It would mean the Packers take on $18.565 in dead cap, which could be spread over 2 seasons, but ouch! While it would save them $1.98M this year, it would land as a $12.348M hit in 2024.

Then again, after noodling on it, that dead cap is inevitable and the only way they soften the blow is to either extend or trade/cut post June 1st.

How about Dillon, a 3rd, JT signs a 5 yr deal @ $14M per and Aaron Jones extends his contract out 5 years @ $9M per .

 

[tynimiller]

That thought crossed my mind, trading Jones for him. The biggest problem with it, his contract is like Bahk's, the dead cap would be a killer. It would mean the Packers take on $18.565 in dead cap, which could be spread over 2 seasons, but ouch! While it would save them $1.98M this year, it would land as a $12.348M hit in 2024.

Then again, after noodling on it, that dead cap is inevitable and the only way they soften the blow is to either extend or trade/cut post June 1st.

How about Dillon, a 3rd, JT signs a 5 yr deal @ $14M per and Aaron Jones extends his contract out 5 years @ $9M per .

I say extend Jones on a 20 year deal that pays $800,000 a year guaranteed LOL Let's do the Bobby Bonilla approach

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I say extend Jones on a 20 year deal that pays $800,000 a year guaranteed LOL Let's do the Bobby Bonilla approach

I forgot about that Bobby Bonilla contract, had to look it up.

He is still getting $1.19M/year and it will continue until 2035, when he will be 72 years old. I think the NFL only allows what, 5 years out? I actually like the way Bonilla's contract with the Mets worked out. It is a nice retirement package, spread out in an amount that gives him a comfortable lifestyle and deters a windfall of money all at once, that some players have blown through pretty fast.

Imagine the headaches of Russ Balls job though, if suddenly all contracts could be extended out 25 years!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Just saw that the Packers released Tyler Goodson yesterday. That should injury he sustained probably had a lot to do with it. Hope he heals up and can continue his football career somewhere.

 

[tynimiller]

I think the NFL only allows what, 5 years out?

Nope, Mahomes is signed in KC through 2031

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Nope, Mahomes is signed in KC through 2031

Yup.

I looked it up after my post. The contract can be for any number of years.

However.....

How many void years can an NFL contract have?

Since a bonus can be prorated over a maximum of five seasons, the highest number of void years that can be added to a contract is five minus the number of years left on the contract the player is currently on.

Which is what they did with Mahomes 10 year deal.

Patrick Mahomes

Patrick Mahomes contract and salary cap details, full contract breakdowns, salaries, signing bonus, roster bonus, dead money, and valuations.

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[Pokerbrat2000]

The more I look at Mahomes contract, the more I like the structure.

- The Chiefs aren't delaying his cap hit each year by pushing it out.

- The contract is structured such that Mahomes could be traded in 2025 or beyond, without it being a huge hit on the Chiefs cap.

- In 2026, the table is wide open for the Chiefs to keep, trade or cut Mahomes, with minimal cost.

 

[OldSchool101]

My first gut reaction to the JT rumors of the Packers being interested in him, was "yeah, right, they don't need a RB". However, after sitting on the thought for the day, my thought process was exactly what you spelled out here. Acquiring him would be more about 2024 and beyond. That said, would he and Aaron Jones be a heck of a tandem this season? Heck yes. Would he take some pressure off of Love and the passing game, most definitely.

Aaron Jones is a great back, Dillon is a good back, but how will they both be when defenses load the box with 7, because they don't have to worry about Aaron Fricking Rodgers anymore? Dillon is in his final year of his contract, he may walk in 2024. Jones will be 29 in Dec. and is in a contract that would mean a $17.7M cap hit next year, if it isn't restructured.

Jonathan Taylor is a proven 24 year old quantity. Is he going to cost more than an average back? Of course he is, but odds are, he is going to provide more than 90% of the backs in the league. He had over 2100 all purpose yards in 2021.

My only pause on JT is how much does he want and what do the Colts want in a trade.

That’s where I’m at. My guess is Gutey was kicking around the idea, but pulled back once he got wind of the cost. You know me I like to have a great Running game more than most people. It would instantly be the best RB room in the league without argument. Jones could be used more balanced in the short- intermediate passing game and be on the field simultaneously and that gives Jordan another short range target. Not only would the run game not suffer that way, it would be a tick better. Then having those 2 in postseason would be the definition of dangerous. It’s a very intriguing idea but probably not fiscally sound

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

That’s where I’m at. My guess is Gutey was kicking around the idea, but pulled back once he got wind of the cost. You know me I like to have a great Running game more than most people. It would instantly be the best RB room in the league without argument. Jones could be used more balanced in the short- intermediate passing game and be on the field simultaneously and that gives Jordan another short range target. Not only would the run game not suffer that way, it would be a tick better. Then having those 2 in postseason would be the definition of dangerous. It’s a very intriguing idea but probably not fiscally sound

The cost is my only hesitation as well. However, draft capital is more my concern. If the Colts want the equivalent of a first rounder, I'm done chatting about it. Odds are with you if you spend a first or even a 2nd rounder on a RB, probably getting one of the top 3 in the draft. If the Colts would take Dillon and a 3rd (oh those unlucky 3rd rounders), I'm listening.

Financially, the Packers could make it work. Without Rodgers on the payroll and Bahk potentially coming off next season, that frees up a lot of cap. Do I want to see them blow a lot of it on a RB? Probably not, but if it comes down to paying Aaron Jones $12M or JT $15M....I might go with JT.

 

[gopkrs]

I don't want to do any trading. I want to see what we have. And I guess I will on Sunday.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I don't want to do any trading. I want to see what we have. And I guess I will on Sunday.

I'll call Andy Reid up and let him know that the Chris Jones for Savage deal is off.

 

[Schultz]

With JT on the PUP list this still has time to play out. Something not mentioned is the Colts would probably want to know what it would cost to sign Dillon before agreeing to a trade. The difference in salaries could effect the draft capital in the trade. Of course this is all IMO.

 

[tynimiller]

The more I look at Mahomes contract, the more I like the structure.

- The Chiefs aren't delaying his cap hit each year by pushing it out.

- The contract is structured such that Mahomes could be traded in 2025 or beyond, without it being a huge hit on the Chiefs cap.

- In 2026, the table is wide open for the Chiefs to keep, trade or cut Mahomes, with minimal cost.

Yup, in a case like Mahomes you essentially hitch your financial means to one guy immensely for four years or so - chew down that guaranteed money massively and hope he doesn't get hurt. If he stays healthy four years - you can look at him and his agent and re-do or by then if things keep appreciating able to tell him see this contract has now given us the ability to go surround you as you get older, but you're still getting a ton of money...and truthfully they could do a restructure to bring down his dead cap each year but add guarantee he may not have any longer....lot they can do.

Likewise, let's live in a world where Love truthfully LIGHTS UP 2023...maybe not MVP level but dude is immediately Top 10 in the league and you know you have your future. I wouldn't be against GB doing something similar but not quite for 10 years...tell Russ lets build something to 7 years average at $45M a year which is $315M dollars. If you did same percent guaranteed you're looking at $99M total guaranteed and roughly $44M guaranteed at signing.

You could essentially do a similar thing just slightly more compressed and you'd be hitching to Love now at Mahomes-esq type level before he truly proves he is Mahomes caliber (but we are talking four years ago at this point Mahomes deal).

Just living in a world I hope we have to contemplate.