Packers To Murder The Cowboys In Big D This Year, Elliot Suspended

[Pokerbrat2000]

I would be a hypocrite if I didn't mention that Packer players aren't the boy scouts of the NFL either, but for whatever reason, Jerry Jones seems to have a knack for finding players like this in the last 5 or so years.

Just this year alone and now add Zeke:

• Nolan Carroll was arrested for DWI
• Damien Wilson was arrested for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon
• Dak Prescott was accused of faking autographs
• Randy Gregory was suspended for at least one year
• David Irving was suspended for four games

Again, I know all the Packers are not or have been altar boys either, but I am glad Jerry keeps bringing these guys into Dallas, to hopefully keep them from being relevant in the NFC.

One comical side note to this, the Cowboys seem to hang on to these guys, even after issues. But poor Lucky Whitehead was misidentified in a shoplifting charge and the Cowboys release him before knowing all the facts.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

I would be a hypocrite if I didn't mention that Packer players aren't the boy scouts of the NFL either, but for whatever reason, Jerry Jones seems to have a knack for finding players like this in the last 5 or so years.

Just this year alone and now add Zeke:

• Nolan Carroll was arrested for DWI
• Damien Wilson was arrested for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon
• Dak Prescott was accused of faking autographs
• Randy Gregory was suspended for at least one year
• David Irving was suspended for four games

Again, I know all the Packers are not or have been altar boys either, but I am glad Jerry keeps bringing these guys into Dallas, to hopefully keep them from being relevant in the NFC.

One comical side note to this, the Cowboys seem to hang on to these guys, even after issues. But poor Lucky Whitehead was misidentified in a shoplifting charge and the Cowboys release him before knowing all the facts.

Well at least with us it seems to be more just smoking pot for medical purposes, and I'd bet many more players across the league do it on a regular that just haven't been caught yet. At least so far I've not heard of any DV perpetrators coming here. I'm not convinced that Clay took roids so I'm not going to put him in that category.

But yeah, Dallas and San Francisco seem to be dirtying up the water with all this.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Well at least with us it seems to be more just smoking pot for medical purposes, and I'd bet many more players across the league do it on a regular that just haven't been caught yet. At least so far I've not heard of any DV perpetrators coming here. I'm not convinced that Clay took roids so I'm not going to put him in that category.

But yeah, Dallas and San Francisco seem to be dirtying up the water with all this.

In continued research I found this article. Which kind of shocked me when you look at where Dallas (29th) is ranked and the Packers (18th). These are arrests of players since 2000. Also, it appears they are including former players arrests as well, so with Sharper, Green, Loften, etc. that might "help" bring the Packer numbers up.

But like you said, seems like many of the Packer player issues are more minor infractions and the major ones are with ex Packers.

http://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2017/05/nfl_arrests_which_teams_have_t.html

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

In continued research I found this article. Which kind of shocked me when you look at where Dallas (29th) is ranked and the Packers (18th). These are arrests of players since 2000. Also, it appears they are including former players arrests as well, so with Sharper, Green, Loften, etc. that might "help" bring the Packer numbers up.

But like you said, seems like many of the Packer player issues are more minor infractions and the major ones are with ex Packers.

http://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2017/05/nfl_arrests_which_teams_have_t.html

Yeah, Eugene Robinson comes to mind too as he was a real clean guy when he was here but got in trouble that SB when he was with the Falcons. So .... I do think the Green Bay culture does have a lot to do with this.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I don't know much about the Arlington Newspaper or its author, but I really liked what he had to say. Instead of discussing the X's and O's of the incident, he talks more about the philosophical sides of it.

http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/mac-engel/article166807742.html

 

[Dantés]

Jerry has less scruples about players being terrible people as he gets older. He's driven to win a ring without Jimmy Johnson involved so he can prove he deserves credit. It's a poor man's version of Al Davis' flailing towards the end of his life.

 

[AmishMafia]

Why is he being suspended that much for something he has never been convicted of?

There is a video of him ripping down a womans shirt and exposing her in public. She recoils and covers up immediately. Do you really need a conviction in the legal system to know that is wrong?

 

[HardRightEdge]

There is a video of him ripping down a womans shirt and exposing her in public. She recoils and covers up immediately. Do you really need a conviction in the legal system to know that is wrong?

Just ask Ray Rice. Having it on tape slam dunks "conduct unbecoming" with the CBA saying nothing about how that's defined. It grants the league office judge and jury authority.

There's nothing illegal about drinking alcohol, but if you drink too much and test high, that buys you a one-way ticket into the "program" with suspension looming if you repeat the offense. No driving of vehicles or illegal drugs need be involved because that's what the players agreed to in signing off on the CBA.

 

[HardRightEdge]

I don't know if the NFL will shorten the suspension or not, but there's one thing I do know:

The traditional NFL market (male viewership) is fully saturated. There's zero population growth except for immigrants who only know soccer. The last domestic frontier is expanded female viewership, while the final frontier is international which is not getting much traction and has logistical issues to begin with. There may be some wink-and-nod from the NFL with regard to their employees who come to the game with a high predilection for violence, but when there's tape or a police report, and especially that tape, then they are going to come down hard.

They need women to buy more NFL stuff and watch more games. It's no nice-to-have; it's an imperative for growth.

 

[Passepartout]

That seems harsh the word murder. How about beat the Cowboys!?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

That seems harsh the word murder. How about beat the Cowboys!?

Using the word "beat" when referencing Cowboy players, takes on way too many connotations itself.

 

[AmishMafia]

I don't know if the NFL will shorten the suspension or not, but there's one thing I do know:

The traditional NFL market (male viewership) is fully saturated. There's zero population growth except for immigrants who only know soccer. The last domestic frontier is expanded female viewership, while the final frontier is international which is not getting much traction and has logistical issues to begin with. There may be some wink-and-nod from the NFL with regard to their employees who come to the game with a high predilection for violence, but when there's tape or a police report, and especially that tape, then they are going to come down hard.

They need women to buy more NFL stuff and watch more games. It's no nice-to-have; it's an imperative for growth.

Viewers = money
More viewers = more money
More money = more salary
Players have as much or more to gain than owners by boosting income. They wisely agreed to the CBA for their own benefit. Decrease in viewership last season, IMHO, was due to Kappernick and his racist anti-american stupidity. NFL was in a jam, come down hard and you lose some black viewers. Acknowledge it and do nothing and offend white patriotic casual fans.

Image in the public is huge. Players and owners both understand this.

 

[AmishMafia]

Whether the suspension is reduced or not will be based on some random survey of a 1000 casual fans on how they feel about the NFL, zeke, the suspension, and the likelihood of them watching games in the future.

 

[PikeBadger]

Why is he being suspended that much for something he has never been convicted of?

Has nothing to do with upholding the law. It's all about protecting the shield.

 

[Mondio]

OJ was never convicted of murder either, but owes millions in a wrongful death claim against him. Criminal court is different a different animal and doesn't mean someone is innocent and doesn't mean they don't have to face consequences.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Viewers = money
More viewers = more money
More money = more salary
Players have as much or more to gain than owners by boosting income. They wisely agreed to the CBA for their own benefit. Decrease in viewership last season, IMHO, was due to Kappernick and his racist anti-american stupidity. NFL was in a jam, come down hard and you lose some black viewers. Acknowledge it and do nothing and offend white patriotic casual fans.

Image in the public is huge. Players and owners both understand this.

I think the Kaepernick business was a factor, but the bigger factor was Trump sucking air out of the viewership room with incendiary campaign speeches on a near daily basis, tweets flying at all times of the day or night, with instantaneous cable news coverage. Regardless of one's political affiliation, it became "must see TV".

Cable TV news ratings are still running high on the zig and zag of the administration's daily developments. Whether you call it a hit reality show, compelling soap opera or dynamic governance, people are tuning in.

With Kaepernick out of the picture we'll see if the ratings go flat or struggle. I think they will. It also doesn't help that the most compelling story out of NY or LA is Beckham's sideline and off field antics.

 

[Mondio]

I don't believe Kaepernick had anything to do with reduced ratings. If anything people tuned in so they could see it, and then ***** for weeks about it. It's why they tune into the circus going on everywhere else too. Those that say they won't watch if he's playing were never going to watch anyway. and if someone who actually put his money where his mouth is and exercised his constitutionally guaranteed right to public and peaceful protest will make them turn off the TV, but watching women beaters and drug users and getting drunk behind the wheel and killing people players is perfectly acceptable, then good ****ing riddance. your ******* should be looking in a mirror rather than at a tv anyway because you're perception of who you are is more than a little skewed.

 

[HardRightEdge]

I don't believe Kaepernick had anything to do with reduced ratings. If anything people tuned in so they could see it, and then ***** for weeks about it. It's why they tune into the circus going on everywhere else too. Those that say they won't watch if he's playing wereI never going to watch anyway. and if someone who actually put his money where his mouth is and exercised his constitutionally guaranteed right to public and peaceful protest will make them turn off the TV, but watching women beaters and drug users and getting drunk behind the wheel and killing people players is perfectly acceptable, then good ******* riddance. your ******* should be looking in a mirror rather than at a tv anyway because you're perception of who you are is more than a little skewed.

You know, I generally agree with that assessment. I would add that Kaepernick's protest was during the "National Anthem" not the "Armed Forces Medley". Those who took umbrage at Kaepernick's protest as a "disrespect for the military" had no idea what this was about or, for that matter, that the national character is not defined by the military. Or more accurately, supposing such disrespect was an intentional diversion from the issue at hand.

The one reality in conflating a protest against civil injustice into a disrespect for the military would be in the possibility that too many ex-military with PTSD are carrying badges now.

I'm with you in having no problem with somebody tuning out if they don't like what they see. I don't care if ratings drop, money drops, salaries drop. I don't care if they stop building $1 billion stadiums. I don't care if the spectacle returns to 1960's proportions. It's merely a contest of football no matter what wrapper they put it in, and that's what interests me. What drunk fans that don't know the difference between the army and the nation, a 3-4 from a 4-3, watching Chevy commercials might think is of no interest to me.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Whether the suspension is reduced or not will be based on some random survey of a 1000 casual fans on how they feel about the NFL, zeke, the suspension, and the likelihood of them watching games in the future.

If this is how Roger Goodell is governing this league, than god almighty help us.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

That seems harsh the word murder. How about beat the Cowboys!?

No it ain't, we gotta go in there and bury them with no letting off the gas pedal. I wouldn't care what the public said, run up the score on them.

 

[JK64]

I bet he only gets 1 game back in his appeal, which would still put him absent for this game. I'm pretty sure Dallas is only praying he gets 2 back because they know they're done if he's out for this one.

Think about it, how many times have we seen 5 game suspensions? Not any that I can recall. I think it's either 6 or 4. I hope for six.

 

[JK64]

They didn't give a single game back to Brady and people think this is getting reduced? Not a chance

Personal conduct policy + Ray Rice fiasco (and the hard line 6 game suspensions for domestic violence) + a judge ruling last year Goodell has unquestionable power = Elliot is sitting 6 games

Yeah, but Brady wanted zero games or nothing. I think he may have gotten less if he cooperated.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Think about it, how many times have we seen 5 game suspensions? Not any that I can recall. I think it's either 6 or 4. I hope for six.

It's the point that the league is pretty quickly abolishing the appeal process. I see it upheld at 6.

 

[JK64]

It's the point that the league is pretty quickly abolishing the appeal process. I see it upheld at 6.

I hope you're right.

 

[Spanky]

You know, I generally agree with that assessment. I would add that Kaepernick's protest was during the "National Anthem" not the "Armed Forces Medley". Those who took umbrage at Kaepernick's protest as a "disrespect for the military" had no idea what this was about or, for that matter, that the national character is not defined by the military. Or more accurately, supposing such disrespect was an intentional diversion from the issue at hand.

The one reality in conflating a protest against civil injustice into a disrespect for the military would be in the possibility that too many ex-military with PTSD are carrying badges now.

I'm with you in having no problem with somebody tuning out if they don't like what they see. I don't care if ratings drop, money drops, salaries drop. I don't care if they stop building $1 billion stadiums. I don't care if the spectacle returns to 1960's proportions. It's merely a contest of football no matter what wrapper they put it in, and that's what interests me. What drunk fans that don't know the difference between the army and the nation, a 3-4 from a 4-3, watching Chevy commercials might think is of no interest to me.

Did you ever serve in the military?