Packers re-sign Aaron Jones

[Dantés]

Well, unless the D drastically improves, yeah, the O - already great as you note - is gonna have to get that much better. Adding a solid #2 WR would help.

I don't think anyone disputes that.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I am new here so I am sure this has been said before so I apologize in advance, but "where you going with that gun in your hand" is a classic song lyric.

Don't I know it......

 

[Heyjoe4]

I don't think anyone disputes that.

Yeah I guess the question is how does Gluten do it, given other needs and, as of now, no cap space? He can probably free up enough money to shop the FA market for a CB or WR, but not both (and I'm assuming King is done in GB, but who knows?). Everything else will have to be addressed through the draft, which will require another $10 mil (I think). And then finally, what is left in Funchess' tank?

 

[gopkrs]

Yeah I guess the question is how does Gluten do it, given other needs and, as of now, no cap space? He can probably free up enough money to shop the FA market for a CB or WR, but not both (and I'm assuming King is done in GB, but who knows?). Everything else will have to be addressed through the draft, which will require another $10 mil (I think). And then finally, what is left in Funchess' tank?

I have always maintained that if King is used correctly; he can be a benefit to the team. You cannot put him on an island against a speedster. In general, you cannot have him covering small, quick and fast receivers. imho

 

[Heyjoe4]

I have always maintained that if King is used correctly; he can be a benefit to the team. You cannot put him on an island against a speedster. In general, you cannot have him covering small, quick and fast receivers. imho

That's a fair assessment of his deficiencies. The question then is - who does he cover? In many cases, especially in hurry-up mode, the D can't substitute or switch coverages. King has all the physical attributes of a good corner - although he is a little slow. I just think after 3 years (or is it 4?) he's a decent backup but not a starter. I'm a little surprised he hasn't been cut yet - so maybe he does factor into Barry's plans for the D. I think if they can find a decent CB in FA they'll go for it and drop King.

 

[Pkrjones]

That's a fair assessment of his deficiencies. The question then is - who does he cover? In many cases, especially in hurry-up mode, the D can't substitute or switch coverages. King has all the physical attributes of a good corner - although he is a little slow. I just think after 3 years (or is it 4?) he's a decent backup but not a starter. I'm a little surprised he hasn't been cut yet - so maybe he does factor into Barry's plans for the D. I think if they can find a decent CB in FA they'll go for it and drop King.

Kevin King is already on the open market as an unrestricted free agent.

 

[Dantés]

Yeah I guess the question is how does Gluten do it, given other needs and, as of now, no cap space? He can probably free up enough money to shop the FA market for a CB or WR, but not both (and I'm assuming King is done in GB, but who knows?). Everything else will have to be addressed through the draft, which will require another $10 mil (I think). And then finally, what is left in Funchess' tank?

I don’t know how much space they will create or how many positions will eventually get address with veterans.

But WR would be, like 8th or 9th on my priority list.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Kevin King is already on the open market as an unrestricted free agent.

Thx for the update. Will be interesting to see what happens to him. Also seems clear the Packers don't want him.

 

[gopkrs]

That's a fair assessment of his deficiencies. The question then is - who does he cover? In many cases, especially in hurry-up mode, the D can't substitute or switch coverages. King has all the physical attributes of a good corner - although he is a little slow. I just think after 3 years (or is it 4?) he's a decent backup but not a starter. I'm a little surprised he hasn't been cut yet - so maybe he does factor into Barry's plans for the D. I think if they can find a decent CB in FA they'll go for it and drop King.

You know, really, I expect the D coordinator to be on top of that and I guess be able to switch to zone in a hurry if he has too. As a D coordinator I think you always have to be aware of weak links and how to deal with them. The opposite is also true.

 

[scotscheese]

The thing you're not taking into account when making that statement... just how good aaron rodgers is

Could patrick mahomes put up an mvp season with the packers wrs ? Yeah most likely but who else do you think could...

The Packers wrs beyond adams are just guys...mvs if he can show he can be effective in the short and intermediate areas could elevate himself above that status in 2021

How do you know what I am taking into account or not?

the WR is adequate because we have, what was last season, the best QB in the NFL. so they ARE adequate for our team, if we had a poorer QB/RB/Oline then we would need to have a stronger WR room.

we have a couple of young guys there that have quite some potential, and have shown this. having had a proper WR2 last season wouldn't have, IMO, made a huge difference to our O anyway

 

[Heyjoe4]

You know, really, I expect the D coordinator to be on top of that and I guess be able to switch to zone in a hurry if he has too. As a D coordinator I think you always have to be aware of weak links and how to deal with them. The opposite is also true.

That's a good point - especially switching between man and zone. That should be a simple signal that the players look for. (It would have come in handy in the NFCCG on that last play in the first half, although the blame for that seems to be miscommunication between MLF and Pettine. I need to get over that.......)

But you're right. Defenses can still adjust with the players they have on the field if the opponent goes to hurry up or two minute.

 

[Dantés]

I have always maintained that if King is used correctly; he can be a benefit to the team. You cannot put him on an island against a speedster. In general, you cannot have him covering small, quick and fast receivers. imho

King's 2020 is a complex issue.

We don't know, but I feel 100% confident that he was playing hurt.

But to your point, he sucked no matter who he was covering last year. And he was not routinely being asked to cover small, quick guys.

There's also the problem that if he's a total liability against smaller, fast receivers, then he's just plain a liability. Because there are a lot of those guys in the league, it isn't that hard for offenses to get them matched up on him, and oftentimes the big guys (e.g. in division-- Golladay, Robinson) are going to eat his lunch too.

And if the solution to that is just to play zone, that doesn't help, because King is a wretched zone corner. He's only remotely passable in man coverage.

And on top of all that, I think he was relatively healthy in 2019, and didn't think he was very good then either.

All of this to say, if the solution at the other outside corner spot is resigning King, that's not very exciting at all, and we can all hope that a rookie beats him out, which shouldn't be hard to do.

 

[Heyjoe4]

King's 2020 is a complex issue.

We don't know, but I feel 100% confident that he was playing hurt.

But to your point, he sucked no matter who he was covering last year. And he was not routinely being asked to cover small, quick guys.

There's also the problem that if he's a total liability against smaller, fast receivers, then he's just plain a liability. Because there are a lot of those guys in the league, it isn't that hard for offenses to get them matched up on him, and oftentimes the big guys (e.g. in division-- Golladay, Robinson) are going to eat his lunch too.

And if the solution to that is just to play zone, that doesn't help, because King is a wretched zone corner. He's only remotely passable in man coverage.

And on top of all that, I think he was relatively healthy in 2019, and didn't think he was very good then either.

All of this to say, if the solution at the other outside corner spot is resigning King, that's not very exciting at all, and we can all hope that a rookie beats him out, which shouldn't be hard to do.

Any team looking to sign King is, or should, be aware of all the points you make. Meaning the most likely outcomes 1) replaced by a FA, 2) replaced by a rookie.

 

[Dantés]

Any team looking to sign King is, or should, be aware of all the points you make. Meaning the most likely outcomes 1) replaced by a FA, 2) replaced by a rookie.

And it's why if there is FA money to spend at some point, it needs to be at corner not receiver.

 

[OldSchool101]

The main reason to draft a WR or multiple this year, rather than immediate impact, is that virtually all of them are in a contract year.

Adams, MVS, EQ, and Funchess are all slated to be UFA's after this season. Lazard will be an RFA.

So they will most certainly take a couple in preparation for that reality.

Beyond that, it would be nice to see them add players who can fulfill particular roles that the offense is currently missing. What comes to mind for me is that motion/YAC role that they've tried to figure out with Ervin and Austin.

The right rookie could help the offense by taking care of that role in the scheme.

Kadarius Toney was the first to come to mind. I think he’s just hitting stride also. He reminds me of a Ty Montgomery Turbo

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I know, imagine if they had a #2 wide receiver! They might... lead the league in scoring... or... have one of the most efficient offenses of all time!!

On the other hand the Packers might have scored off one of the Bucs turnovers in the fourth quarter of the NFCCG to put them in the Super Bowl.

Everything else will have to be addressed through the draft, which will require another $10 mil (I think).

Once again, the Packers will need approximately $2.6 million of cap space to sign their draft class.

 

[Dantés]

On the other hand the Packers might have scored off one of the Bucs turnovers in the fourth quarter of the NFCCG to put them in the Super Bowl.

You could say that about any position on the field-- if "X" had played better or if "X position" had had more talent, they might have won.

It makes more sense to say that about some positions rather than others based on what actually happened in the game.

For instance, the protection was poor. So it would make sense to say "if Bakhtiari had been healthy" or "if the protection at RT was better" they might have won.

But it doesn't make a lot of sense to say that about the WR depth, as MVS and Lazard combined for 7/177/1 in that game.

 

[Heyjoe4]

And it's why if there is FA money to spend at some point, it needs to be at corner not receiver.

Agree. They can find a WR in the draft, but they need immediate, veteran help at corner to replace King. Not sure who is still available. I heard Richard Sherman's name mentioned at one point. If he has any gas left, that would be a good one to two year pickup and GB could probably afford him.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I just read in the J/S that GB has resigned Kevin King to a one year deal for $6 mil. Does anyone else find this as repulsive as me? He has an injury history, does not wow anyone with his play when healthy, and probably single-handedly kept the Packers from winning the NFCCG. And that earns a guy $6 mil on a cash strapped team?

Look I know the FA market isn't exactly loaded with talent - but Breeland and Sherman are still out there. I'd prefer one of them over a regressing player.

 

[tynimiller]

I just read in the J/S that GB has resigned Kevin King to a one year deal for $6 mil. Does anyone else find this as repulsive as me? He has an injury history, does not wow anyone with his play when healthy, and probably single-handedly kept the Packers from winning the NFCCG. And that earns a guy $6 mil on a cash strapped team?

Look I know the FA market isn't exactly loaded with talent - but Breeland and Sherman are still out there. I'd prefer one of them over a regressing player.

Brother clearly you didn't see the popular thread discussing this all day LOL

 

[Heyjoe4]

Brother clearly you didn't see the popular thread discussing this all day LOL

Chalk it up to old age Ty! And thanks, I'll find the thread.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

But it doesn't make a lot of sense to say that about the WR depth, as MVS and Lazard combined for 7/177/1 in that game.

I'm not suggesting the depth at wide receiver was the main reason the Packers lost the NFCCG by any means but a more talented #2 WR might have made a difference.

 

[Dantés]

I'm not suggesting the depth at wide receiver was the main reason the Packers lost the NFCCG by any means but a more talented #2 WR might have made a difference.

So you would agree that you could say that about almost every position on the field?

Better RB play might have made a difference.

Better TE play might have made a difference.

Better OL play might have made a difference.

Better DL play might have made a difference.

Better ED play might have made a difference.

Better LB play might have made a difference.

Better DB play might have made a difference.

Why the preoccupation with the WR position in a game in which they produced?

 

[longtimefan]

So you would agree that you could say that about almost every position on the field?

Better RB play might have made a difference.

Better TE play might have made a difference.

Better OL play might have made a difference.

Better DL play might have made a difference.

Better ED play might have made a difference.

Better LB play might have made a difference.

Better DB play might have made a difference.

Why the preoccupation with the WR position in a game in which they produced?

Wheres better qb play?

 

[Dantés]

Wheres better qb play?

Trying not to poke two hornets’ nests at the same time.