Packers re-sign Aaron Jones

[OldSchool101]

I think that improving the defense will do more for the team than a new WR. The better the defense the shorter the field he has to go and the more opportunities Rodgers gets.

I think that’s exactly the philosophy that gets many fans aggravated. We’ve spent how much draft capital on Defense and we’re currently ranked middle of the league?
I would argue that if we hit gold there late day 1 to early day 2 at a WR that WE are confident he is underrated at that selection. Go WR!
This Offense would sustain its productivity and after the draft debacle last year. There ain’t enough Scotch in his medicine cabinet to erase another draft debacle do-over move like that (I gotcha back Aaron! )

There’s 2 factors off the top of my head that concern me.
1. Contingency to a serious injury to Davante.
2. A default expectation that all our competition will remain stagnant on Defense.
Not even to mention losing J.Williams who was a reception producer behind Jones. Jamaal rushed for shy of 2000 yards and caught shy of 1000 yards. 8 of his 18 TD’s were receiving. That reception productivity isn’t guaranteed to come from Dillon (although I like what I’ve seen this far he has soft hands.) immediately.
GB is one of a very few teams who have not selected a day 1 or day 2 WR for years now. Davante came in 2014 for heavens sakes.

also Our track record on Defensive day 1-2 selections doesn’t exactly instill lots of confidence that we will get immediate production anymore than at WR. With rare exception (Kenny/Jaire) Our earlier D production has come from FA outside sources.


I think we should stick to the formula of best available (obviously not at QB etc..) and if it’s WR or OG or CB for that matter or whatever so be it. This fascination with having to select at D has lost its luster. What has our return on investment in all these early D selections resulted in? We’ve had what? 3-4 times since 2008 breaking a top 10 scoring D in 13 seasons. That’s Embarrassing considering our invested capital.

I will argue that Aaron Rodgers has had at or near the bottom of the league of draft or FA resources at WR. What’s the issue with avoiding WR? Aaron is possibly the best QB to ever set field and he has been clearly and unequivocally cheated of resources. Putting Jordan Love aside... since #12 started, we have spent more than a 2:1 ratio of 1st and 2nd day selections on Defense (using calculator soup to point value). Then the 1 time we select a day 1 selection we go QB and make it Aaron’s competition? Are you kidding me? What a cluster $&:- we are treating our HOF QB like that.
I might be Packer fan first,but I’m not going to sit around pretending I’m happy because Rodgers elevated the play of countless mediocrity at WR and then gets rewarded with the absolute shaft last season. I 100% believe our FO understood this all too well when they resigned Jones. That was as much as an appeasement tfor Rodgers after putting 2 starting caliber OL out to pasture. They’d be very wise to turn some heads and draft a WR or OL earlier this season. The fuse is running short on our QB.
PS. Why not triple down at D early day 3? It’s not like day 3 Defensive picks are more immune to success than Offense. Get 2 CB’s and 2DT’s by round 5.
Thank you for letting me ramble and diffuse my bottled up $&@t it’s been a long rollercoaster year and I apologize for any anything that wasn’t intended to be personal. Say hi to Momma Amish

 

[Dantés]

Well maybe so with some people but I've been wanting them to get some wrs for a lot longer than that.

I'm not saying it's a magic key I'm just saying it's dumb to ignore it because you have a fhof qb that doesn't make sense to me. I'm of the philosophy you have a fhof qb you get him some real deal weapons at wr. The Packers have one at this time which is a far cry from the last time they won the super bowl when they had no less than 3 Driver Jennings Nelson

I'm of the philosophy that if you have a fhof QB, you put him in a position to succeed.

The Packers have done this, not perfectly, but effectively since they finally figured out they needed to fire McCarthy.

They've built a top 5 offensive line, a strong running game, and they have arguably the single best receiver in football.

More importantly, they've hired one of the best offensive minds in the game right now, who has constructed a system that puts the QB in a position to succeed.

All of this resulted last year in the most efficient offense of Rodgers entire HOF career and one of the best in the history of the league. Only a handful of teams have ever matched 3.08 points per drive.

And look, I'm all for more WR's. If they draft one at 29, great. They can take three in this draft for all I care. But people talk as though the organization hasn't done anything to build around Rodgers just because they didn't draft a receiver last year and it's silliness.

 

[Dantés]

Tying this conversation back to the thread... running back contracts are risky because running backs erode and degrade early in their careers. However, if Jones remains healthy and effective over the next two seasons and helps the Packers to continue to execute this offense as designed (disguised run/pass looks, play action, etc), he will be worth quite a bit more to Rodgers and the offense than any receiver they could have signed for his cap hit.

 

[OldSchool101]

I'm of the philosophy that if you have a fhof QB, you put him in a position to succeed.

The Packers have done this, not perfectly, but effectively since they finally figured out they needed to fire McCarthy.

They've built a top 5 offensive line, a strong running game, and they have arguably the single best receiver in football.

More importantly, they've hired one of the best offensive minds in the game right now, who has constructed a system that puts the QB in a position to succeed.

All of this resulted last year in the most efficient offense of Rodgers entire HOF career and one of the best in the history of the league. Only a handful of teams have ever matched 3.08 points per drive.

And look, I'm all for more WR's. If they draft one at 29, great. They can take three in this draft for all I care. But people talk as though the organization hasn't done anything to build around Rodgers just because they didn't draft a receiver last year and it's silliness.

That’s a fair assessment. It’s not just last year though or it wouldn’t have been a focus to begin with. We’ve been holding our WR breath since 2014.

My argument is using yours. You’d think if you spent a 2nd rounder and he was tops in the league.. you’d spend another one.

How about that Aaron Jones kid!
Such a Good guy glad we got him! What a gem for a 5th

 

[Dantés]

That’s a fair assessment. It’s not just last year though or it wouldn’t have been a focus to begin with. We’ve been holding our WR breath since 2014.

My argument is using yours. You’d think if you spent a 2nd rounder and he was tops in the league.. you’d spend another one.

How about that Aaron Jones kid!
Such a Good guy glad we got him! What a gem for a 5th

Yeah, again, I'm not at all against drafting more help at WR.

But I can say that and still recognize that Rodgers has a great supporting cast.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

But then again, Rodgers has had more talent at WR than Tom Brady has had.

While that might be true Brady has had a top 10 scoring defense in 16 of his 19 seasons as a starter.

Rodgers only in three out of 13.

But I can say that and still recognize that Rodgers has a great supporting cast.

I truly wonder how great that supporting cast would look like with a mediocre quarterback. I highly doubt you would have the same opinion about it.

 

[Dantés]

I truly wonder how great that supporting cast would look like with a mediocre quarterback. I highly doubt you would have the same opinion about it.

Rodgers undoubtedly makes the most of what he has. So it’s easier to see with him at the helm.

But the positive elements of the offense around him— the scheme, the OL play, the running game, Adams—would not cease to be good without him.

Consider San Francisco, for example. Jimmy G, when he’s heathy, is basically an average QB. And yet most still recognize that the supporting cast there is good.

 

[AmishMafia]

I think that’s exactly the philosophy that gets many fans aggravated. We’ve spent how much draft capital on Defense and we’re currently ranked middle of the league?
I would argue that if we hit gold there late day 1 to early day 2 at a WR that WE are confident he is underrated at that selection. Go WR!
This Offense would sustain its productivity and after the draft debacle last year. There ain’t enough Scotch in his medicine cabinet to erase another draft debacle do-over move like that (I gotcha back Aaron! )

There’s 2 factors off the top of my head that concern me.
1. Contingency to a serious injury to Davante.
2. A default expectation that all our competition will remain stagnant on Defense.
Not even to mention losing J.Williams who was a reception producer behind Jones. Jamaal rushed for shy of 2000 yards and caught shy of 1000 yards. 8 of his 18 TD’s were receiving. That reception productivity isn’t guaranteed to come from Dillon (although I like what I’ve seen this far he has soft hands.) immediately.
GB is one of a very few teams who have not selected a day 1 or day 2 WR for years now. Davante came in 2014 for heavens sakes.

also Our track record on Defensive day 1-2 selections doesn’t exactly instill lots of confidence that we will get immediate production anymore than at WR. With rare exception (Kenny/Jaire) Our earlier D production has come from FA outside sources.


I think we should stick to the formula of best available (obviously not at QB etc..) and if it’s WR or OG or CB for that matter or whatever so be it. This fascination with having to select at D has lost its luster. What has our return on investment in all these early D selections resulted in? We’ve had what? 3-4 times since 2008 breaking a top 10 scoring D in 13 seasons. That’s Embarrassing considering our invested capital.

I will argue that Aaron Rodgers has had at or near the bottom of the league of draft or FA resources at WR. What’s the issue with avoiding WR? Aaron is possibly the best QB to ever set field and he has been clearly and unequivocally cheated of resources. Putting Jordan Love aside... since #12 started, we have spent more than a 2:1 ratio of 1st and 2nd day selections on Defense (using calculator soup to point value). Then the 1 time we select a day 1 selection we go QB and make it Aaron’s competition? Are you kidding me? What a cluster $&:- we are treating our HOF QB like that.
I might be Packer fan first,but I’m not going to sit around pretending I’m happy because Rodgers elevated the play of countless mediocrity at WR and then gets rewarded with the absolute shaft last season. I 100% believe our FO understood this all too well when they resigned Jones. That was as much as an appeasement tfor Rodgers after putting 2 starting caliber OL out to pasture. They’d be very wise to turn some heads and draft a WR or OL earlier this season. The fuse is running short on our QB.
PS. Why not triple down at D early day 3? It’s not like day 3 Defensive picks are more immune to success than Offense. Get 2 CB’s and 2DT’s by round 5.
Thank you for letting me ramble and diffuse my bottled up $&@t it’s been a long rollercoaster year and I apologize for any anything that wasn’t intended to be personal. Say hi to Momma Amish

I get it. It seems like we have neglected our WR staff. And I do believe the addittion of a good WR will help the offense. But I don't see it as necessary. Brady did it more with Gronk and 1 good WR (not near as good as Adams). I'm not sure Brady has had as good of a receiving back as Jones is. And what of Degurra? Staff and teammates seemed to be pretty excited about him as well. And MVS, Lazard, and St. Brown. It took Adams (and just about every WR Todgers has ever worked with) to become good. I believe there is a good 1 or 2 in there. Then we got Funchess who had 1 good season when he was still developing.

As far as drafting Love, I wonder. Rodger's play had obviously been slipping for several years. What changed? Was it the stability in his private life? 2nd year in the new system? Or was it having his replacement on hand reminding him his job wasn't a given and changed his attitude? If I had to redo the draft I would still have taken Love.

As far as the draft this year, there are a lot of really good WRs. But there is less known about them. There is a chance of Bateman being there in the first and he would be an immediate impact and a very nice compliment to Adams. Toney is the only other immediate impact type who's has a chance. Then there are about 20 or more WRs who could have developed in a normal college season to be impactful players. There will be WRs taken who will be good NFL WRs. But we will have to wait a few seasons.

 

[Dantés]

The main reason to draft a WR or multiple this year, rather than immediate impact, is that virtually all of them are in a contract year.

Adams, MVS, EQ, and Funchess are all slated to be UFA's after this season. Lazard will be an RFA.

So they will most certainly take a couple in preparation for that reality.

Beyond that, it would be nice to see them add players who can fulfill particular roles that the offense is currently missing. What comes to mind for me is that motion/YAC role that they've tried to figure out with Ervin and Austin.

The right rookie could help the offense by taking care of that role in the scheme.

 

[Heyjoe4]

A more realistic way to look at it....think of the Packers WR group with Jordan Love or some UDFA rookie QB starting. We got to witness what happens to the Packers offense when Brett Hundley took over and the next year, Deshon Kizer. Not only was it not pretty, but it was with a much better group of WR's. I understand everyone's excitement about the 2020 Packer offense, but I wouldn't go out of my way to give any WR not named Adams too much credit for it.

Agree completely. Adams is the only WR in this group who could still do well with an average QB. The rest of them would be PS material.

 

[Poppa San]

The rest of them would be PS material.

Bull . Throw three deep passes to MVS per game and he only needs to catch 1/3 to lead the league in TD receptions. Height + average hands + speed does not stay on the PS.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Bull . Throw three deep passes to MVS per game and he only needs to catch 1/3 to lead the league in TD receptions. Height + average hands + speed does not stay on the PS.

Yeah he'd have sixteen TDs. Talk about BS....... Jeff Janis was tall and fast too, and probably with better hands. One trick ponies don't go far, neither will MVS.

 

[Mondio]

MVS is already 10x’s the WR Janis was.

 

[Heyjoe4]

MVS is already 10x’s the WR Janis was.

He's better than Janis, not saying much. GB's WR situation is that they have arguably the best WR in the NFL, and then "just guys". They need a legitimate #2 WR to take double teams off Adams (and then imagine what Adams could do). Lazard and MVS are not #2 WRs. Lazard might become that guy, MVS won't get past #3. Just sayin. I don't think anyone should be happy with the current WR group, especially with the QB we have. I don't know what Funchess will add. I'm hoping Gluten does something in FA or the draft.

If they don't make changes (hard to imagine, but possible given other needs), Rodgers will make that WR group work, as he did last year. I just believe a legit #2 WR, along with Jones and Dillon in the backfield and fixing some O line issues, will shoot that O straight to the top, way to the top.

 

[Poppa San]

Yeah he'd have sixteen TDs. Talk about BS....... Jeff Janis was tall and fast too, and probably with better hands. One trick ponies don't go far, neither will MVS.

Game day roster is not the practice squad.

 

[Dantés]

He's better than Janis, not saying much. GB's WR situation is that they have arguably the best WR in the NFL, and then "just guys". They need a legitimate #2 WR to take double teams off Adams (and then imagine what Adams could do). Lazard and MVS are not #2 WRs. Lazard might become that guy, MVS won't get past #3. Just sayin. I don't think anyone should be happy with the current WR group, especially with the QB we have. I don't know what Funchess will add. I'm hoping Gluten does something in FA or the draft.

If they don't make changes (hard to imagine, but possible given other needs), Rodgers will make that WR group work, as he did last year. I just believe a legit #2 WR, along with Jones and Dillon in the backfield and fixing some O line issues, will shoot that O straight to the top, way to the top.

I know, imagine if they had a #2 wide receiver! They might... lead the league in scoring... or... have one of the most efficient offenses of all time!!

 

[Schultz]

Please do not ever speak ill of my man Jeff Janis. Back in I think it was 2016 play-off (possibly NFC title) game vs. Arizona and Carson Palmer. Jeff Janis goes off. I used him in my $2 fan-duel line-up that day. Finished tied for 3rd and won $2,000.

 

[gopkrs]

I don't think we have seen enough of Lazard yet. I would actually like to see a bit more of what Malik Taylor could do. I am ready to move on from St. Brown and Austin.

 

[Schultz]

So this #2 WR is what gonna be a 800-1000 yd. guy? So is Rodgers gonna all of a sudden throw for 800-1000 yds. more? Are they gonna pass more because of this guy?
Me thinks a 800-1000 yd. guy adds maybe 400-500 yards to the passing offense. The other 400-500 will come from Adams, MVS, Lazard and Tonyans numbers. Didn,t passing less and running more balance the offense and make
it more efficient?
I hope they get a better player at every position, but that is unrealistic. At the most because of the cap free agency will get one starter and 1 depth guy. The draft realistically, hopefully gets 2 starters and 2 depth guys. Then you have to hope 1 of last years back-ups becomes a serviceable starter and another becomes a quality back up. My hope is those 4 starters are OT, DE, CB & slot Corner. The depth /back-up guys would be OL, IDL, ILB then WR. Late in the draft try and get lucky with a pass catching RB, KR/WR, & a motion swiss knife type of guy to replace the Ervin role.

 

[Schultz]

In my plan we keep Rodgers upright and healthy. The defense gets better and maybe they don,t give up a FG or they give up a FG instead of a TD late in the game. A better defense that can get off of the field on 3rd down more often just gives Rodgers another possession per game.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Game day roster is not the practice squad.

No it isn't, and I went too far in my criticism of MVS. I just wish he could add to his repertoire - better route running, being a threat mid-field and downfield. It's been three years, so is he gonna improve. I see him as the #3 WR. And as I've said before, I'd like a real #2. I imagine Rodgers does too.

 

[Heyjoe4]

So this #2 WR is what gonna be a 800-1000 yd. guy? So is Rodgers gonna all of a sudden throw for 800-1000 yds. more? Are they gonna pass more because of this guy?
Me thinks a 800-1000 yd. guy adds maybe 400-500 yards to the passing offense. The other 400-500 will come from Adams, MVS, Lazard and Tonyans numbers. Didn,t passing less and running more balance the offense and make
it more efficient?
I hope they get a better player at every position, but that is unrealistic. At the most because of the cap free agency will get one starter and 1 depth guy. The draft realistically, hopefully gets 2 starters and 2 depth guys. Then you have to hope 1 of last years back-ups becomes a serviceable starter and another becomes a quality back up. My hope is those 4 starters are OT, DE, CB & slot Corner. The depth /back-up guys would be OL, IDL, ILB then WR. Late in the draft try and get lucky with a pass catching RB, KR/WR, & a motion swiss knife type of guy to replace the Ervin role.

Good plan. Unless they can dramatically improve on D, the O will have to get even better, score even more points. I can see a team in the post-Rodgers era, whenever that comes, that focuses more on D. D seems to be the way to win championships.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I know, imagine if they had a #2 wide receiver! They might... lead the league in scoring... or... have one of the most efficient offenses of all time!!

Well, unless the D drastically improves, yeah, the O - already great as you note - is gonna have to get that much better. Adding a solid #2 WR would help.

 

[Schultz]

I am new here so I am sure this has been said before so I apologize in advance, but "where you going with that gun in your hand" is a classic song lyric.

 

[Mondio]

I know, imagine if they had a #2 wide receiver! They might... lead the league in scoring... or... have one of the most efficient offenses of all time!!

well I'll have you know Mr. Dantes...

ohhhhh, I get it.