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Love becoming a decent starter down the road for the Packers is the only way that pick doesn't end up being a huge mistake.

I don't agree with that...the player chosen could have been a total bust, datone jones, of a late first round pick.

Id say if Love offers the Packers a reliable backup for 2 or 3 seasons and then is turned into draft capital thats not a huge mistake...yes a mistake and not what you need out of first round picks but not a huge mistake
 

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I don't agree with that...the player chosen could have been a total bust, datone jones, of a late first round pick.

Id say if Love offers the Packers a reliable backup for 2 or 3 seasons and then is turned into draft capital thats not a huge mistake...yes a mistake and not what you need out of first round picks but not a huge mistake
It depends on what level of draft capital. A 6th or 7th round pick would hardly meet that criteria. The ROI, plus the loss of picks, would make it a huge mistake. Even his salary level has to be considered in this scenario, because it's cap room that can't be used for others, because he was first round.
 

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It depends on what level of draft capital. A 6th or 7th round pick would hardly meet that criteria. The ROI, plus the loss of picks, would make it a huge mistake. Even his salary level has to be considered in this scenario, because it's cap room that can't be used for others, because he was first round.
Right, but you still have to pay a backup QB. Thus, if you get a decent backup in Love, it cost you around $3.1M/year. Right now I don't consider he a quality backup, but that is also only seeing him play against the Chiefs.

I don't think the draft capital was that much, especially when you consider the potential upside if he does turn into a great player. Teams bust out all the time on late first round picks (plus a late 4th, I know). But yeah, if he does nothing in his 4 years in GB and is quickly out of football...he was a huge mistake.
 

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I don't agree with that...the player chosen could have been a total bust, datone jones, of a late first round pick.

Id say if Love offers the Packers a reliable backup for 2 or 3 seasons and then is turned into draft capital thats not a huge mistake...yes a mistake and not what you need out of first round picks but not a huge mistake
How do you define "reliable backup"? Scoring 7 points when you get a chance to play?

Regardless, there's not really a scenario I can dream up where the Packers get a 1st and a 4th back, which is obviously what the Packers had to use to get him.
 

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How do you define "reliable backup"? Scoring 7 points when you get a chance to play?
A guy that can step in and you don't see a huge drop off. As of today, I would say he isn't a reliable backup, at least from his one outing against the Chiefs.

Love may not be a starting QB ever, but if he is still in the NFL in 10 years, you can assume he has some talent.
 

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A guy that can step in and you don't see a huge drop off. As of today, I would say he isn't a reliable backup, at least from his one outing against the Chiefs.

Love may not be a starting QB ever, but if he is still in the NFL in 10 years, you can assume he has some talent.
Not fair to consider the level of drop off. Rodgers is an all-time elite QB. Favre at his apex was a drop off from AR.
 

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Not fair to consider the level of drop off. Rodgers is an all-time elite QB. Favre at his apex was a drop off from AR.
Which is why I said "don't see a huge drop off" ;)

Your second string QB is almost always a drop off, but right now Love steps in....is a huge dropoff between him and Rodgers. Next year/game, I hope he closes that gap a bit.
 
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While I do understand the frustration in drafting at QB last season, I just don‘t think Love’s first NFL start @KC is even considered a minuscule of information to make a clear assessment of Gute’s overall selection. I would say that with any player and both a good or bad first performance. But again I understand and even somewhat agree that Love has not really been any beneficial direct influence these last 2 seasons.

That said. I would argue that when he was brought in? Isn’t a strange coincidence that Rodgers plays not only his best performance in his career, but by a mile. Its my opinion that Jordan Love’s presence alone indirectly elevated that of Aaron Rodgers. 48 TD?! Wow.
It may not have been planned that way, but competition elevated Rodgers game in dramatic fashion and in doing so this lessened the blow of the move up to get Love. You could make an easy conclusion and say Love has helped this team, just not by HIS on field performance thus far.
 
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While I do understand the frustration in drafting at QB last season, I just don‘t think Love’s first NFL start @KC is even considered a minuscule of information to make a clear assessment of Gute’s overall selection. I would say that with any player and both a good or bad first performance. But again I understand and even somewhat agree that Love has not really been any beneficial direct influence these last 2 seasons.

That said. I would argue that when he was brought in? Isn’t a strange coincidence that Rodgers plays not only his best performance in his career, but by a mile. Its my opinion that Jordan Love’s presence alone indirectly elevated that of Aaron Rodgers. 48 TD?! Wow.
It may not have been planned that way, but competition elevated Rodgers game in dramatic fashion and in doing so this lessened the blow of the move up to get Love. You could make an easy conclusion and say Love has helped this team, just not by HIS on field performance thus far.
You might be right. Players have been known to play better when they believe someone is breathing down their neck. They also play better in contract years. To me, that's a red flag. It tells me the guy only gives his all to get more money. Once he's got it, the play slacks off. Seen it happen before.
 

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I guess the question is, how much do you pay a back up QB who is nothing more than a place holder so you can field 11 guys? At this point, that's all Love is. Of course that could change.


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I guess the question is, how much do you pay a back up QB who is nothing more than a place holder so you can field 11 guys? At this point, that's all Love is. Of course that could change.
I would say that right now, he is worth the money, since they still don't know what his ceiling is. Any backup 2nd contract QB, worth being a backup is going to cost what they are going to be paying Love for the next 2 seasons.
 

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In terms of what we do with Love, much of that decision comes down to how he's performing in practice. Even before Rodgers took over in 2008, I think there was a sense among both the organization's leadership and the players that Rodgers was special and certainly ready to take over for Favre. That gave TT and MM the confidence to move forward with Rodgers once Favre semi-retired. I have no idea how anyone feels about Love and I suspect some of his development last year was stunted by the pandemic.

Also, I would not read too much into Love's performance against KC. Obviously, it wasn't great, but Rodgers looked pretty bad in all of his appearances in 2005 and 2006. It really wasn't until the Dallas game in 2007 where he showed anything. So let's see how Love looks after another season of development.
 
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In terms of what we do with Love, much of that decision comes down to how he's performing in practice. Even before Rodgers took over in 2008, I think there was a sense among both the organization's leadership and the players that Rodgers was special and certainly ready to take over for Favre. That gave TT and MM the confidence to move forward with Rodgers once Favre semi-retired. I have no idea how anyone feels about Love and I suspect some of his development last year was stunted by the pandemic.

Also, I would not read too much into Love's performance against KC. Obviously, it wasn't great, but Rodgers looked pretty bad in all of his appearances in 2005 and 2006. It really wasn't until the Dallas game in 2007 where he showed anything. So let's see how Love looks after another season of development.
That’s very fair. Without starting I think season 3 is where you’d like to see the training come to fruition.
 

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Regardless, there's not really a scenario I can dream up where the Packers get a 1st and a 4th back, which is obviously what the Packers had to use to get him.
This upcoming draft is expected to be light on blue chip QB prospects. Assuming Rodgers is back on board, I could see shipping Love to a QB needy team such as Pittsburgh and swapping 1st round picks into the mid teens from 32.
 

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This upcoming draft is expected to be light on blue chip QB prospects. Assuming Rodgers is back on board, I could see shipping Love to a QB needy team such as Pittsburgh and swapping 1st round picks into the mid teens from 32.
This is why I have had a sense that AR12 will go to Pittsburgh. They need a QB and a WR and they will not have to rebuild. Who has both that are available? The Green Bay Packers.
 

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This is why I have had a sense that AR12 will go to Pittsburgh. They need a QB and a WR and they will not have to rebuild. Who has both that are available? The Green Bay Packers.
And we are unlikely to play Pittsburgh until 2025 unless that # 17 game falls that way.
 
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You and many others here are a draft for needs guy. Eventually, those of you that adhere to that philosophy are going to have to realize that people like Thompson and Gutekunst didn't/don't adhere to that philosophy and draft for best talent value available on their board. I suspect an awful lot of people here would be quite surprised (myself included) if we saw the Packers draft board the day prior to the draft.

As I have mentioned repeatedly I prefer the Packers to select the prospect presenting the best value with position of need definitely factoring into a decision. I highly doubt a quarterback met that criteria in last year's draft.

I don't agree with that...the player chosen could have been a total bust, datone jones, of a late first round pick.

Id say if Love offers the Packers a reliable backup for 2 or 3 seasons and then is turned into draft capital thats not a huge mistake...yes a mistake and not what you need out of first round picks but not a huge mistake

Love hasn't provided a decent backup for his first two seasons in the league though. In addition I don't consider that good enough to be not considered a huge mistake for a first round quarterback.

Even before Rodgers took over in 2008, I think there was a sense among both the organization's leadership and the players that Rodgers was special and certainly ready to take over for Favre. That gave TT and MM the confidence to move forward with Rodgers once Favre semi-retired.

The Packers using a second rounder on Brian Brohm in the 2008 draft might work as evidence that the Packers weren't convinced Rodgers was the real deal entering the 2008 season.

This upcoming draft is expected to be light on blue chip QB prospects. Assuming Rodgers is back on board, I could see shipping Love to a QB needy team such as Pittsburgh and swapping 1st round picks into the mid teens from 32.

I highly doubt Love would bring that much in a trade at this point in his career.
 

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I highly doubt a quarterback met that criteria in last year's draft.
You can no longer say "last years draft"....Love was drafted in the 2020 draft. ;) However, I agree with you that it was smart not to draft a QB in the first round in last years draft, I think Stokes is going to be a good CB.
 

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This upcoming draft is expected to be light on blue chip QB prospects. Assuming Rodgers is back on board, I could see shipping Love to a QB needy team such as Pittsburgh and swapping 1st round picks into the mid teens from 32.

I highly doubt Love would bring that much in a trade at this point in his career.
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Right now, I'm not even certain we can get a late 2nd round pick for Love, to be honest. It's nothing he's done, and at the same time, something he has done. What he's done is absolutely nothing to show in this past preseason that he's special.

Since he probably shouldn't have picked (My estimation) about the time of our 2nd round pick, and maybe later.

What would I give the Packers for him? A 3rd round pick, take it or leave it. But not if it was real early in the round. But, as I said, that's my opinion.
 

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Love hasn't provided a decent backup for his first two seasons in the league though. In addition I don't consider that good enough to be not considered a huge mistake for a first round quarterback.

The Packers using a second rounder on Brian Brohm in the 2008 draft might work as evidence that the Packers weren't convinced Rodgers was the real deal entering the 2008 season.

Id agree he certainly wasnt a decent backup last season but this season I think he is...the team still had a chance to win against a Chiefs defense that at the time was considered bad but has been shown to be one of the best in the league

I guess well see how he does against the Lions in what I expect to be at least a half of football

That Brohm pick in my mind was worse than the Love pick and absolutely shows they werent spld on rodgers which is puzzling as then why get rid of Favre...they also took Flynn in the 7th

And yeah only way he commands thst much capital after this season is if he has a Matt Flynn game against the Lions this week...however after next season I think he could command a decent haul. What this all likely eventually comes down to is how long will Love be willinging to ride the bench im assuming next season is it maybe just maybe 2023 but i doubt he sits 5 seasons
 

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Maybe they were thinking Brohm would be a good backup and just in case. He was evidently high on their board. I believe most thought Rodgers would be the man at that time. But it was not a good pick.
 

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Maybe they were thinking Brohm would be a good backup and just in case. He was evidently high on their board. I believe most thought Rodgers would be the man at that time. But it was not a good pick.

Yeah Rodgers was getting first shot but by drafting a guy in 2nd round they were showing a lack of confidence that he would either succeed or stay healthy

You dont draft a qb 1st or 2nd round hoping hes a good backup i definitely agree with Wimm on that...
 

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You all may find this humorous. This is the discussion at the time we picked Brohm. Almost universal praise in this forum. Folks thought he was better than Rodgers and that we could trade him for a 1st in a year or two if he didn't take the starting spot from Rodgers.
 

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You all may find this humorous. This is the discussion at the time we picked Brohm. Almost universal praise in this forum. Folks thought he was better than Rodgers and that we could trade him for a 1st in a year or two if he didn't take the starting spot from Rodgers.

Weirdly theres guys on there i remember but nobody that still posts except longtimefan and maybe gopackgo

And one guy who sounds like a Rodgers burner account??? Haha
 

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