Packers create more 2020 cap space

[BrokenArrow]

By converting roster bonus to signing bonus and pushing his cap hit further to the back of his contract, the Packers are less convinced his years are as numbered as you seem to believe.

Here are his new cap numbers:

2019: $29.4 mil
2020: $21.2 mil
2021: $36.4 mil; dead cap rises to $36.1 mil
2022: $39.9 mil; dead cap rises to $17.2 mil
2023: $28.4 mil; dead cap goes from zero to $2.85 mil

If there was any question as to whether Rodgers would be this team's QB through 2021, which should not have been the case, be assured those numbers guarantee it.

The 2022 numbers are less manageable than before with $5.7 mil added to the dead cap.

If anybody was expecting a QB pick in the first round, which they should not have been, these numbers put the kebosh on that notion.

We drafted Rodgers 3 years before Favre left the building.

 

[BrokenArrow]

I think this is a move geared toward grabbing at least one and maybe two of the Cooper/Green/Henry group. If they cut Graham and possibly cut or re-structure Lindsley, they'll have room to do it. Gute can give the offense the Amos/Smith Brothers treatment.

Knowing that Rodgers' window in closing perhaps quicker than expected, now would be the time. Adams, Green/Cooper and Henry would be a devastating combo for Rodgers to throw to. Then with Lazard the 3rd WR option? Damn. Still, it wouldn't surprise me if it didn't take Rodgers a season to get over his "trust issues" with those guys being new to the team.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

It'll be by draft time I feel. I hate this a lot though, I love Linsley and was pushing hard for his extension a few years ago...I just feel Patrick can do that task and the nod of his new contract makes me foresee this as a real option even more.

Linsley is due a $1 million roster bonus on March 20 next year. Therefore it would be smart for the Packers to release him before that if they decide to go in that direction.

 

[tynimiller]

Linsley is due a $1 million roster bonus on March 20 next year. Therefore it would be smart for the Packers to release him before that if they decide to go in that direction.

True I had only looked at what if he plays for us his cost is vs the dead...You are 100% right.

 

[tynimiller]

I think this is a move geared toward grabbing at least one and maybe two of the Cooper/Green/Henry group. If they cut Graham and possibly cut or re-structure Lindsley, they'll have room to do it. Gute can give the offense the Amos/Smith Brothers treatment.

Knowing that Rodgers' window in closing perhaps quicker than expected, now would be the time. Adams, Green/Cooper and Henry would be a devastating combo for Rodgers to throw to. Then with Lazard the 3rd WR option? Damn. Still, it wouldn't surprise me if it didn't take Rodgers a season to get over his "trust issues" with those guys being new to the team.

I don't foresee a fiscal strapping of us in the future to the point of total BREAK by breaking bank a second year in a row on an Amos/Smith/Smith/Turner type FA signings but I do foresee we are going to grab a TE or a WR. With the depth at WR in the draft, I personally say if a solid TE hits the market I'd jump at that before a WR...not many WRs in the pool or suspected pool at the moment that make me go crazy for em. I love AJ Green but 100% feel his age/injury he has some HUGE questions and I still suspect someone is going to break their piggy bank twice over to him....we shall see.

 

[bigbubbatd]

We drafted Rodgers 3 years before Favre left the building.

Very different situations. The Packers were not expecting Rodgers to sit for 3 years bc Favre had been talking retirement at the time. Drafting a qb now would be guaranteeing he sits for 3 years or that the Packers pay astronomical money for Rodgers to be a backup qb. If Rodgers play consistently declines to the point where he gets beat out by a late first round pick you won't be able to trade that contract

 

[BrokenArrow]

Very different situations. The Packers were not expecting Rodgers to sit for 3 years bc Favre had been talking retirement at the time. Drafting a qb now would be guaranteeing he sits for 3 years or that the Packers pay astronomical money for Rodgers to be a backup qb. If Rodgers play consistently declines to the point where he gets beat out by a late first round pick you won't be able to trade that contract

You don't know how long Rodgers will play. You have to be ready. Yeah, I know about his talk of playing past 40, but his play has fallen off and I don't know that he wants to play himself into mediocrity. Maybe he does, maybe not. Maybe this past season has been an aberration. Better to have the next guy ready. If he leaves after his rookie contract, draft another.

 

[bigbubbatd]

You don't know how long Rodgers will play. You have to be ready. Yeah, I know about his talk of playing past 40, but his play has fallen off and I don't know that he wants to play himself into mediocrity. Maybe he does, maybe not. Maybe this past season has been an aberration. Better to have the next guy ready. If he leaves after his rookie contract, draft another.

I dont know how long he will play but it is very unlikely he retires in the next two seasons so using a first round pick on his replacement seems foolish considering the other fairly glaring needs on the team like WR, TE, and ILB and potentially RT if Bulaga doesnt come back

 

[PackAttack12]

Those of you suggesting Rodgers is on some rapid decline are in for a rude awakening.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

If Rodgers play consistently declines to the point where he gets beat out by a late first round pick you won't be able to trade that contract

I highly doubt that will happen but the Packers could move on from Rodgers after the 2021 season.

 

[bigbubbatd]

I highly doubt that will happen but the Packers could move on from Rodgers after the 2021 season.

Isn't the dead cap still 17 million that year?

 

[Poppa San]

Isn't the dead cap still 17 million that year?

$11.5m
Still saving $25m+

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Isn't the dead cap still 17 million that year?

$11.5m
Still saving $25m+

It's true that releasing or trading Rodgers after the 2021 season would result in $17.2 million (restructuring his contract added a cap hit of another $2.8 million in prorated bonus to every remaining year of his deal) dead money counting against the cap but the Packers would still save more than $22 million in cap space at that point.

 

[Poppa San]

It's true that releasing or trading Rodgers after the 2021 season would result in $17.2 million (restructuring his contract added a cap hit of another $2.8 million in prorated bonus to every remaining year of his deal) dead money counting against the cap but the Packers would still save more than $22 million in cap space at that point.

Willing to bet the site I looked at didn't update since the restructuring.
Thankx for the update.

 

[bigbubbatd]

It's true that releasing or trading Rodgers after the 2021 season would result in $17.2 million (restructuring his contract added a cap hit of another $2.8 million in prorated bonus to every remaining year of his deal) dead money counting against the cap but the Packers would still save more than $22 million in cap space at that point.

Yeah i guess I didn't mean to say they couldn't release him just that with a 17 million hit (I know it does save a lot though) I think it is highly highly likely Rodgers will be here. So a first round pick of a qb very likely won't see the field barring injury for 3 years. I was contrasting this to when Rodgers was picked and Favre was flirting with retirement so it was very possible Rodgers was the qb quite soon

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Yeah i guess I didn't mean to say they couldn't release him just that with a 17 million hit (I know it does save a lot though) I think it is highly highly likely Rodgers will be here. So a first round pick of a qb very likely won't see the field barring injury for 3 years. I was contrasting this to when Rodgers was picked and Favre was flirting with retirement so it was very possible Rodgers was the qb quite soon

I fully expect Rodgers to be the starting quarterback for at least the remaining four years of his current deal. Just wanted to point out that the Packers could save significant cap space by moving on from him starting after the 2021 season.

 

[HardRightEdge]

$11.5m
Still saving $25m+

You picked up your number from overthecap, I assume, which has not yet worked in the contract reneotiation. The spotrac $17 mil number is the better one as cited by the Captain. Of course that's the number now. By the time we get there another renegotiation may have happened pushing that dead cap number up further. Rodgers will be entering the 2022 season at age 38. He keeps saying he'd like to play to 40 or beyond. QBs are doing that these days. The formulation is too far in the future to contemplate at this time.

Even without another extension, what would $22.6 mil in cap savings buy you in 2022 if you don't have a QB who can win games? It is extremely hard to find a winning QB. History is littered with far, far more busts than winners. There's even a long list of guys with early promise or even early success with no staying power and no Superbowl wins--RGIII, Newton, Kaepernick, Winston, and on and on. Goff is heading that way. Will defenses figure out Jackson before he gets the big win? When his knee gets dinged up and the run threat goes by the boards, where will he be? At least Flaco had an insane playoff run and the big win before the deep fade. He was the highest paid QB once upon a time.

In short, you won't know what you've got until it is gone.

 

[BrokenArrow]

I dont know how long he will play but it is very unlikely he retires in the next two seasons so using a first round pick on his replacement seems foolish considering the other fairly glaring needs on the team like WR, TE, and ILB and potentially RT if Bulaga doesnt come back

Do you really expect him to ever "trust" any rookie WR or TE? QB is the most important position and there is always a drop off from the top few. If one falls to you, you take him.

 

[bigbubbatd]

Do you really expect him to ever "trust" any rookie WR or TE? QB is the most important position and there is always a drop off from the top few. If one falls to you, you take him.

Lazard didnt get to the team until December of last year and Rodgers seems pretty okay throwing to him. So yes I think a wr who has talent and is going to work hard and be in right spot will earn Rodgers trust.

I am glad you think they should take a qb. I think you are wrong. Probably not going to be a fruitful discussion.

 

[swhitset]

Do you really expect him to ever "trust" any rookie WR or TE? QB is the most important position and there is always a drop off from the top few. If one falls to you, you take him.

This is a bias revealing non sequitur reply.

 

[Firethorn1001]

Packers are tied to Rodgers for the next few years so, there is no reason to expend draft capital on a player that won't help your current situation. Teams just aren't drafting 1st rounders just to have a QB sit for several years (since 14, I think Mahomes is the only one to sit for a season). They are playing right away and, if the team messed up, they are just moving on more quickly. Plus, teams want a starting QB on a cheap contract with that 5th year option, not burn 2-3 years, have them start and then have to pay them starter money. If the Packers spend a 1st rounder on a QB then I anticipate whatever year that is will either be the year after Rodger's retires or will be the last year of Rodgers.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Do you really expect him to ever "trust" any rookie WR or TE? QB is the most important position and there is always a drop off from the top few. If one falls to you, you take him.

There's no way of knowing if a quarterback projected to be one of the top prospects in a draft class works out though. Therefore I would prefer the Packers to address a different position with their first pick for at least another year. If Tagovailoa drops to them Gutekunst would have a tough decision to make though.

Packers are tied to Rodgers for the next few years so, there is no reason to expend draft capital on a player that won't help your current situation. Teams just aren't drafting 1st rounders just to have a QB sit for several years (since 14, I think Mahomes is the only one to sit for a season). They are playing right away and, if the team messed up, they are just moving on more quickly. Plus, teams want a starting QB on a cheap contract with that 5th year option, not burn 2-3 years, have them start and then have to pay them starter money. If the Packers spend a 1st rounder on a QB then I anticipate whatever year that is will either be the year after Rodger's retires or will be the last year of Rodgers.

While most teams have taken the approach of their rookie quarterback starting immediately it might be smart for the Packers to handle the situation similar to how they treated Rodgers. Therefore I wouldn't be opposed to start looking for Rodgers' replacement starting with the 2021 draft.

 

[Mondio]

I don't think it's as much as issue of Rodgers not trusting young guys as having young guys that are capable of being on the field. Adams was trusted, heck he threw that play to him in Dallas and expected him to make a play as a rookie. The only reason Adams wasn't targeted more as a rookie was because of the guys in front of him. Same with guys like Jennings. We had good WR's and they were not pressed into heavy service.

and for as much as we like Lazard, he's still not always doing what he's supposed to be, or MVS. If we had a rookie that was more like Adams or jennings, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see them with a bunch of targets and catches every week. There aren't 3-4 much better receiving targets ahead of them now.

at this rate you could put MVS out there in year 5 and if he plays like this, Rodgers still isn't giving him 10 targets a game. has nothing to do with being a rookie.

 

[BrokenArrow]

I am glad you think they should take a qb. I think you are wrong. Probably not going to be a fruitful discussion.

If the way Rodgers played against the Bears and Lions this past 3 weeks is anything more than an aberration then it's time to start preparing.

 

[BrokenArrow]

There's no way of knowing if a quarterback projected to be one of the top prospects in a draft class works out though. Therefore I would prefer the Packers to address a different position with their first pick for at least another year.

Depends on what we do in free agency. There's no way of knowing if ANY draft pick will work out.

If Tagovailoa drops to them Gutekunst would have a tough decision to make though.

Yes, he would. And it would benefit him to sit a couple years behind Rodgers to give him time to heal up good and strong and put his injury issues way back in the rear view mirror.