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According to Michael Silver the Packers are trying to negotiate a restructured deal with Rodgers to free up some cap space for next season. About time.
According to Michael Silver the Packers are trying to negotiate a restructured deal with Rodgers to free up some cap space for next season. About time.
I suspect that was the plan all along. Now next year they will have to figure out how to deal with his even higher cap number in 2022 and 2023
Using rough numbers from Over the Cap it looks like his salary is 14.7 million for 2021. Since vet minimum salary is about 1 million that means they can convert 13.7 million of that salary into a signing bonus split over three years (roughly 4.5 million per year) That means his cap numbers will go from 37.2 million to 28.2 million in 2021 (saves 9 million) In 2022 his cap number will go from 39.9 to 44.3 million and in 2023 it will go from 28.3 to 32.8. You will note that reducing his cap number in 2021 raises it in 2022 and 2023 even though the amount of money paid over the three years stays the same.
If they would have converted his roster bonus to signing bonus they could have had an additional 4.5 million to spend this year but it would have added 2.2 million in 2022 and 2023.
They aren't getting rid of Rodgers prior to 2022 so that's irrelevant.
The only number that matters is his dead cap hit in 2023 which would go from about 2.8 million to just under 7.5 million. Clearly the front office wants to maintain the ability to trade Rodgers prior to 2023. Which I think they do with just 7.5 m dead and a cap savings of about 25 m if they should choose to go with Jordan Love in 2023
Just wondering. Why don't you care about dead cap money?I'm not talking about dead cap numbers. I don't care about that
I'm not talking about dead cap numbers. I don't care about that. I'm talking about the amount of money that Aaron Rodgers counts against the salary cap. That's the only number that matters to me. With regards to a restructure the less he counts this year the more he counts in the future and the more he counts the less they have to spend on someone else. If we save 9 million this year by converting salary to signing bonus we will be have to add 4.5 million next year and the year after. If we have to add 4.5 million to Rodgers' cap hit next year then we have to cut 4.5 million somewhere else.
I'm not opposed to that I'm just aware of it. Some people seem to think we can just move his money from this year and won't have to account for it next year and the year after.
If the 21.5 million will count at some point, a fact no one is disputing, can you explain how cutting the cap number this year will not raise it in the future. If Rodgers cap number goes down this year it has to go up in the future and if the cap number goes up the Packers have less to spend on other players or in the case of 2022 the more money they will have to cut just to get under the cap.
As far as the rollover goes that only matters if we don't spend the money we save. If we restructure Rodgers' contract and save 10 million dollars and we spend that 10 million on another player we have nothing left to roll over.
I suspect that was the plan all along. Now next year they will have to figure out how to deal with his even higher cap number in 2022 and 2023
Using rough numbers from Over the Cap it looks like his salary is 14.7 million for 2021. Since vet minimum salary is about 1 million that means they can convert 13.7 million of that salary into a signing bonus split over three years (roughly 4.5 million per year) That means his cap numbers will go from 37.2 million to 28.2 million in 2021 (saves 9 million) In 2022 his cap number will go from 39.9 to 44.3 million and in 2023 it will go from 28.3 to 32.8. You will note that reducing his cap number in 2021 raises it in 2022 and 2023 even though the amount of money paid over the three years stays the same.
If they would have converted his roster bonus to signing bonus they could have had an additional 4.5 million to spend this year but it would have added 2.2 million in 2022 and 2023.
Also correct me but the future years team Cap # isn’t set beforehand is it?
Just wondering. Why don't you care about dead cap money?
The way it works is we save 4.5 million this year while adding 4.5 million to cap number in 2022 and 2023. 2021 cap hit is 37.5 m would be 33.25 m. 2022 currently 39.85/44.35 post max restructure. 2023 28.35 m now 32.85 post max restructure.
But if they're plan is to trade him prior to 2023, his cap number doesn't matter because you don't pay that on a player you trade. All you pay is that 7.25 dead cap or whatever it was. Thus thats the only number that matters in the end and the Packers seem to be worried about keep that number manageable
Man, I would not contemplate that move even for fun.OR
You commit to Rodgers and remove Love from the equation. Trade him for a 4th...a 5th
Just wondering. Why don't you care about dead cap money?
That would be a complete admission of error in last year's draft. I don't think that the Packers front office considers it a mistake. It was intentional. Nothing has changed that would make them trade Love, unless they final got a close-up look at him in person and realized that he isn't a good enough QB.
That would be a complete admission of error in last year's draft. I don't think that the Packers front office considers it a mistake. It was intentional. Nothing has changed that would make them trade Love, unless they final got a close-up look at him in person and realized that he isn't a good enough QB.
Rodgers resurgence to excellence made the Love pick even worse and a year or two pre-mature in hindsight. Had it played out just like Favre to Rodgers it would have looked like sheer genius.
Now though, I think this is going to get ugly QUICK. Anything short of a big push to 2023 salary wise - sending message the team is committed to him clear through his contract - is going to get twisted massively to the mindset "Green Bay is moving on from Rodgers".
The more I think on it the more I truly believe there are only two options to not get this thing messy. You commit to Rodgers, eat the Love pick entirely keeping him squelched on the bench and accept it cost you two draft picks and got NOTHING of value in return for them.
OR
You commit to Rodgers and remove Love from the equation. Trade him for a 4th...a 5th even to a team in a position that graded him high last year, could use a cheap QB that could be the future for them (Patriots, Houston if move Watson, even Bears). Get something.
Doing nothing....or trying to restructure while keeping the obvious out from Rodgers will destroy this whole thing IMO
If I'm the front office, I'm not making cap room if I haven't ID'd guys I need and am able to sign. I have something in place with Rodgers contract should the need arise. There is no hurry. If Rodgers wants to call it quits because he wants to pout, fine. He's no good to us anyway. BUT that is not the case. Rodgers will play like Rodgers regardless. The only thing that is going to make this team move on is if Rodgers isn't playing to the level he should. He has a very nice contract for himself. If he needs reassurances, then he needs to guarantee them for himself by playing like it and he'll have nothing to worry about.
The team does not need to rush to stroke an ego, not that I even think it is something he needs. I think it's more media driven than fact driven AGAIN. Who wouldn't like to be guaranteed their spot and a large sum of money? That doesn't mean he needs it or things go poorly. If Rodgers needs to be that petty as the media would like everyone to believe. As if he hasn't proven time and time and time again he's a professional and very damn good one at that, but just one more time IF Rodgers is that petty, he can make the FO looks like fools by playing at an MVP level every year and earning every penny he's inked to thru the remainder of this contract. Make it so they can't move on from you. Problem solved.
I would be on that scenario knowing Rodgers 1000 times before I'd bet on the one where he quits and pouts because he didn't get more guaranteed money in March and Love is still his backup.
and if I'm the FO, i'm not changing anything until the need arises. The signing of Jones and the restructuring of other players shows they're looking to keep it together. They have options but they need to be smart with them. If Rodgers isn't happy, then that's on him. Which again, I don't believe.
The total cap hit allocated to Rodgers is the most important number to look at, dead money is just part of it.
No, that's not how it works. The Packers would save a bit more than $9 million in cap space for the upcoming season while the prorated portion of the signing bonus for the next two years ($4.5 million for each season) would be added to the cap in 2022 and '23.
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Also, people are forgetting that one season of the backup just doing kneel downs is uncommon, going 2-3 years is almost never heard of.As for trading Love now for 4th/5th. No way, absolutely not. He's far more valuable as a backup and a future trade asset. Why dump him now? After 2 pre seasons of good play he'll be worth much more or I should say he could be worth much more.