Packer Types

[Dantés]

We all know that the Packers stick pretty closely to certain profiles at most positions. So this thread is for cataloguing the guys whose profiles scream "Packer." These aren't necessarily players you're high on, though you could be, but more guys who fit the bill of a typical Green Bay selection.

 

[Dantés]

With so few receivers actually doing a full workout, one guy stands out as providing all of the metrics:

Chimere ****, Florida

6'1" 196# 32+" arms
4.34 forty with 1.51 split
38.5" vert and 10'8" broad
6.82 3C and 4.27 shuttle
9.65 RAS

42/783/2 (18.6 YPC) in 2024

He and Badger were the only Gator pass-catchers above 266 yards-- he had 27% of the team's receiving yards.

 

[Dantés]

Four offensive linemen who jump out as Packers:

Joe Huber, G/C, Wisconsin: 6'5" 310#, 32.25" arms, 7.69 3C, 4.78 shuttle

Logan Brown, OT, Kansas: 6'6" 311# 34" arms, 7.75 3C, 4.51 shuttle

Drew Kendall, C, Boston College: 6'4" 308#, 31.75" arms, 7.56 3C, 4.51 shuttle

Caleb Rogers, G, Texas Tech: 6'5" 312#, 32.4" arms, 7.43 3C, 4.49 shuttle

 

[tynimiller]

I'll keep the WR them and bring up

Isaac TeSlaa WR Arkansas Here he is lined up in a comp to **** who also screams GB type:

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[Dantés]

Two more wide receivers, both Razorbacks.

Isaac TeSlaa, Arkansas:

6'4" 214#
4.43 forty, 1.51 split
39.5" vert 10'9" broad
6.85 3C, 4.05 shuttle
9.97 RAS

28/545/3 in 2024

Andrew Armstrong, Arkansas:

6'4" 202#
4.51 forty, 1.53 split
37.5" vert, 10'4" broad
6.97 3C, 4.18 shuttle
9.06 RAS

78/1140/1 in 2024

 

[tynimiller]

Two more wide receivers, both Razorbacks.

Isaac TeSlaa, Arkansas:

6'4" 214#
4.43 forty, 1.51 split
39.5" vert 10'9" broad
6.85 3C, 4.05 shuttle
9.97 RAS

28/545/3 in 2024

Andrew Armstrong, Arkansas:

6'4" 202#
4.51 forty, 1.53 split
37.5" vert, 10'4" broad
6.97 3C, 4.18 shuttle
9.06 RAS

78/1140/1 in 2024

LOL Look up a post.

 

[Dantés]

It's funny that basically 3 guys both did all the testing and qualify as Packers types and two of them were at Arkansas.

 

[tynimiller]

It's funny that basically 3 guys both did all the testing and qualify as Packers types and two of them were at Arkansas.

Right! Teslaa was on my Day 3 radar and I have graded as a 6th(+) but Armstrong I haven't even watched anything on and might have to if time allows.

 

[Dantés]

Right! Teslaa was on my Day 3 radar and I have graded as a 6th(+) but Armstrong I haven't even watched anything on and might have to if time allows.

I think TeSlaa could be a Lazard+ as a big slot if he's willing to do dirty work.

 

[tynimiller]

Jalen Travis OT from Iowa State is a guy I'm intrigrued by and wonder if the trends of bigger OL might get GB to come off a hair physically of their norms...

6'7' (touch taller than they normally draft)
339lbs - 9 pounds too high but the height makes his build very similar to what we like

10.5 inch hands - massive
34.88 arms - some of the longest in the draft
35 inch vertical and 904 broad - both are elite level type testing...

If at the pro day for Iowa State he does the shuttle and 3 cone and does as well as his profile indicates - he for sure will clear the thresholds GB has there too.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Thanks to Dantes and Ty for all this great info ahead of the draft.

Question - when you talk about a "Packer-type guy", is that strictly by measurables - I think they like CBs to be at least 5'10" (although I think that needs to be revised to 6' plus). Just one example. I'd just like to get your take on what is the "Packer-type" by impact positions like WR, CB, Edge, DT. Thanks.

 

[tynimiller]

Thanks to Dantes and Ty for all this great info ahead of the draft.

Question - when you talk about a "Packer-type guy", is that strictly by measurables - I think they like CBs to be at least 5'10" (although I think that needs to be revised to 6' plus). Just one example. I'd just like to get your take on what is the "Packer-type" by impact positions like WR, CB, Edge, DT. Thanks.

It's trait tendencies is all. None of us have internal knowledge if there are other aspects, but the last three decades show very consistent tendencies we typically operate in.

Minimum of 190lbs has been a thing we have not waivered from at CB specifically (drafted some guys for safety roles less) since Buckley in 92'

For OL these are the typical things our draftees have in common:

-6'3"-6'6"
-300-325
-32+" arms
-Sub 4.80 in the shuttle
-Sub 7.80 in the three cone

 

[Heyjoe4]

It's trait tendencies is all. None of us have internal knowledge if there are other aspects, but the last three decades show very consistent tendencies we typically operate in.

Minimum of 190lbs has been a thing we have not waivered from at CB specifically (drafted some guys for safety roles less) since Buckley in 92'

For OL these are the typical things our draftees have in common:

-6'3"-6'6"
-300-325
-32+" arms
-Sub 4.80 in the shuttle
-Sub 7.80 in the three cones

Thanks Ty, good info. I knew about the 190 lb minimum at CB. I recall they made an exception on height, by like 1/2 inch, to draft JA.

I guess this is to be expected, but players who last and have an impact are getting taller, weigh more than prior players at the position, and are fast. It's mind boggling to see a guy 6'5" 300 plus lbs run a sub 5 40-yard dash at the combine.

Personally I like CBs who are just over 6' and WRs who are 6'2" or higher, with the exception of slot guys who play small anyway. QBs are also getting bigger along the lines of Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts, and Anthony Richardson. It's hard to imagine an NFL with a QB under 6'.

The Packers have consistently done well on the OL, or at least that's my impression. Late round picks - like Bakhtiari, Walker, Tom - have really excelled. I hope Morgan lives up to his draft position.

 

[Schultz]

Is he a left tackle ?

Jalen Travis OT from Iowa State is a guy I'm intrigrued by and wonder if the trends of bigger OL might get GB to come off a hair physically of their norms...

6'7' (touch taller than they normally draft)
339lbs - 9 pounds too high but the height makes his build very similar to what we like

10.5 inch hands - massive
34.88 arms - some of the longest in the draft
35 inch vertical and 904 broad - both are elite level type testing...

If at the pro day for Iowa State he does the shuttle and 3 cone and does as well as his profile indicates - he for sure will clear the thresholds GB has there too.

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[tynimiller]

Is he a left tackle ?

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Transferred to Iowa State 2024 - All snaps LT don't believe he missed a game.
Princeton LT in 2023, RT in 2022 and some LT in 2021

 

[Dantés]

Thanks to Dantes and Ty for all this great info ahead of the draft.

Question - when you talk about a "Packer-type guy", is that strictly by measurables - I think they like CBs to be at least 5'10" (although I think that needs to be revised to 6' plus). Just one example. I'd just like to get your take on what is the "Packer-type" by impact positions like WR, CB, Edge, DT. Thanks.

There are articles out there that dig into the numbers and get really specific, but generally think in these terms:

For WR/CB-- 5'11"+ 190+ lbs, 4.5's or faster, three cones are really important

For Edge-- 255+ lbs, ten split and jumps are really important

For OL, Tyni covered it.

For DT, I'm less certain.

Generally, if a guy isn't a 7.0+ RAS, the odds of him being a Packer are low.

Now all of that said, they absolutely draft exceptions AND I am not arguing that their thresholds are always a good thing (but they are a reality).

 

[Voyageur]

With so few receivers actually doing a full workout, one guy stands out as providing all of the metrics:

Chimere ****, Florida

6'1" 196# 32+" arms
4.34 forty with 1.51 split
38.5" vert and 10'8" broad
6.82 3C and 4.27 shuttle
9.65 RAS

42/783/2 (18.6 YPC) in 2024

He and Badger were the only Gator pass-catchers above 266 yards-- he had 27% of the team's receiving yards.

Watching Chimere play at Wisconsin for quite some time, I think his skills were hidden behind poor QB play, and lousy coaching. I hated seeing him leave, but at the same time, understood why he did. He could run a solid route, be open, and the QB wouldn't even look his way. We did not have QBs who could see the whole field while he was there, and quite honestly, it caused him to fall behind in skills developing surrounding the catch itself.

He did make the all-combine team, which says there's measurables that say he could make it as a solid receiver in the NFL. In fact, he could end up being a star with his under 4.4 time in the 40, combined with his moves on routes. I'm actually stunned that he didn't finish top 10 in most prognosticators list of top WRs. I think he could be in that list towards the bottom. Then again, all that talent doesn't equal the heart to get it done on the field. That's something inside that goes beyond the God given talents.

I haven't dug too deep into the draft itself at this point, so I don't know exactly when it would be the best time to pick him. I don't think I'd do it in round 1 or 2, maybe not even 3 except deep in the round. In the 4th, I definitely pull the trigger. But that's just a guess at this point.

 

[Dantés]

It’s hilarious that the top receivers at Florida were a former Badger and a guy named Badger.

 

[tynimiller]

For DT, I'm less certain.

We have really hung to 300+ guys in the past. I think Jerel Worthy was the last non-edge type DL we drafted under 300

 

[tynimiller]

Watching Chimere play at Wisconsin for quite some time, I think his skills were hidden behind poor QB play, and lousy coaching. I hated seeing him leave, but at the same time, understood why he did. He could run a solid route, be open, and the QB wouldn't even look his way. We did not have QBs who could see the whole field while he was there, and quite honestly, it caused him to fall behind in skills developing surrounding the catch itself.

He did make the all-combine team, which says there's measurables that say he could make it as a solid receiver in the NFL. In fact, he could end up being a star with his under 4.4 time in the 40, combined with his moves on routes. I'm actually stunned that he didn't finish top 10 in most prognosticators list of top WRs. I think he could be in that list towards the bottom. Then again, all that talent doesn't equal the heart to get it done on the field. That's something inside that goes beyond the God given talents.

I haven't dug too deep into the draft itself at this point, so I don't know exactly when it would be the best time to pick him. I don't think I'd do it in round 1 or 2, maybe not even 3 except deep in the round. In the 4th, I definitely pull the trigger. But that's just a guess at this point.

I have a fifth on **** personally. He's one of those dudes that given what he physically can do I see as worst case provided an athletic teams guy with potential upside on offense.

 

[Voyageur]

One of the guys I'd like to see us get is Wyatt Milum out of West Virginia. The guy is pure left tackle and plays equally well in the run and passing games which is essential to the Packers offense. If you get him in the fold, it will only be a matter of a few games before he ends up starting at LT. I'd snag him in round 2 if still available. If necessary, he could be a 1st round pick that would help almost immediately. I'm afraid though that he's going to be gone before our first pick.

 

[Voyageur]

Right now, I think the Packers need to address their two or three biggest needs early in this draft. What they do in free agency before the draft might resolve some of the issues we have now. I'm anxious to see how that plays out. Now that they have McManus signed for some help for a period of time, they can use some cap space to shore up other positions.

 

[tynimiller]

One of the guys I'd like to see us get is Wyatt Milum out of West Virginia. The guy is pure left tackle and plays equally well in the run and passing games which is essential to the Packers offense. If you get him in the fold, it will only be a matter of a few games before he ends up starting at LT. I'd snag him in round 2 if still available. If necessary, he could be a 1st round pick that would help almost immediately. I'm afraid though that he's going to be gone before our first pick.

Wyatt is solid no doubt and I firmly support picking him Day2 if we can. I much prefer seeing him slide to guard and I think he could be elite - arms aren't LT likely.

 

[tynimiller]

Right now, I think the Packers need to address their two or three biggest needs early in this draft. What they do in free agency before the draft might resolve some of the issues we have now. I'm anxious to see how that plays out. Now that they have McManus signed for some help for a period of time, they can use some cap space to shore up other positions.

Even on lean years Gute has almost always done signings at spots that were depleted....mitigating in my opinion him feeling pressed towards a specific question in the draft. This is partially why I still think a CB is for sure coming, I suspect a NT type is as well and an experienced vet OL perhaps only for depth if nothing else. Mitigating needs is something he constantly does.

 

[Dantés]

We have really hung to 300+ guys in the past. I think Jerel Worthy was the last non-edge type DL we drafted under 300

Worthy was 308# at the combine.