OT...basketball

[gopkrs]

I was watching some pro BBall last night. It was actually fine. You do get the sounds of a mostly empty gym. And the not on-site fans is a little weird. But the players played as hard as ever. The announcers are the same (love em or hate em). I'll be watching the playoffs which is all I usually watch anyway because of so many teams getting into them and that the playoffs last so long. I guess there is not as much of a home team advantage.

 

[Poppa San]

I personally won't consider this the true ending of the season. I think the "champion" should always have * next to the season results. Same as strike seasons are typically denoted. Any sports season this year I see as a "stay in shape" exhibition or round robin everyone gets a trophy type situation, not as a real season.

 

[lambeaulambo]

I tried to watch...I really tried. I just cannot. The traveling and double dribbling is mindless. And the officials still make up calls. The nba is unwatchable. College basketball has and will always be better. It is amazing to me - at what point do they move 5 fouls as a foul out. The traveling and step taking too. I just cannot watch it, never will until they change the rules to that of actual basketball that youths are taught.

 

[gopkrs]

I tried to watch...I really tried. I just cannot. The traveling and double dribbling is mindless. And the officials still make up calls. The nba is unwatchable. College basketball has and will always be better. It is amazing to me - at what point do they move 5 fouls as a foul out. The traveling and step taking too. I just cannot watch it, never will until they change the rules to that of actual basketball that youths are taught.

Actually, I agree with you about the rules. No more 2 1/2 steps. Let the big guys just push the little guys out of their space. They changed the rules for guys like Magic Johnson who could not play without palming the ball and they will never go back. Owners always have too much say. I still watch the playoffs but this wasn't a comment about basketball but a comment about how it was working during covid.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Actually, I agree with you about the rules. No more 2 1/2 steps.

It used to be two steps. First step as you pick up the dribble and establish the pivot foot, second step off the other foot and shoot before the pivot goes back down to the floor. It's still called that way after a player picks up the dribble or posts up--pick up the pivot foot and then put it down and you'll get the travel call. On the drive it's frequently three steps and uncalled.

Since Jordan retired the only time I've gone out of my way to watch NBA basketball was the Curry/Durrant/Thompson Warriors, something that actually had some team play. I miss the days of the Magic Lakers and Bird Celtics moving the ball.

The LaBron-at-point in Cleveland and the like is just boring basketball. Drive and shoot or drive and kick-out for the three, over and over again. Yawn.

 

[gopkrs]

It used to be two steps. First step as you pick up the dribble and establish the pivot foot, second step off the other foot and shoot before the pivot goes back down to the floor. It's still called that way after a player picks up the dribble or posts up--pick up the pivot foot and then put it down and you'll get the travel call. On the drive it's frequently three steps and uncalled.

Since Jordan retired the only time I've gone out of my way to watch NBA basketball was the Curry/Durrant/Thompson Warriors, something that actually had some team play. I miss the days of the Magic Lakers and Bird Celtics moving the ball.

The LaBron-at-point in Cleveland and the like is just boring basketball. Drive and shoot or drive and kick-out for the three, over and over again. Yawn.

sounds like I'm a bit older than you since I tend to think West, Baylor, Russell, Pettit etc. etc. and they have, at least since that time, pretty much allowed two and half steps.

 

[HardRightEdge]

sounds like I'm a bit older than you since I tend to think West, Baylor, Russell, Pettit etc. etc. and they have, at least since that time, pretty much allowed two and half steps.

I'm 65 years old. I remember all those guys. The guys and teams I mentioned were the golden age in my opinion. I'd like to point out that there is no such thing as a half step. If it looks like that it is probably a quick three.

I don't remember this being an issue in the 60's. It started more in the Dr. J. era.

 

[gopkrs]

I just remembered. I forgot. Sorry. It was not 2 1/2, It was 1 1/2 steps. And yes, there is a half step. It wasn't an issue. It was just a rule. For me, the golden age was before with the Celtic Laker playoffs. I always thought the game became too much of a show after that. I saw a bunch of games in the Sports Arena in LA before Jack Kent Cooke moved them to the Forum. Then you started seeing mink coats and people leaving with the score tied and 2 minutes left. Sorry about the travelling mistake. It was 1 1/2 steps. But the owners wanted more dunks.

 

[weeds]

I tried to watch...I really tried. I just cannot. The traveling and double dribbling is mindless. And the officials still make up calls. The nba is unwatchable. College basketball has and will always be better. It is amazing to me - at what point do they move 5 fouls as a foul out. The traveling and step taking too. I just cannot watch it, never will until they change the rules to that of actual basketball that youths are taught.

Yeah, I cant watch for the same reasons. I'll check in to see how the Bucks are doing and I'll be thrilled if they get another NBA championship since I was 13 when they won their first and only.

I played a couple years in H.S., but couldn't shut off my MLB instincts from FB season and would be fouled halfway thru the 3rd quarter.

 

[gopkrs]

Yeah, I root for the Bucks also. But man, their great player takes so many steps. I think they would let him dunk from half court. It's all legal now but he never would have been allowed to do that back when.

 

[rmontro]

I won't watch any NBA while they're pushing political messages and organizations.

 

[lambeaulambo]

the product is garbage. another pro league with actual college rules and defense and you would see popularity rise I think.

 

[Mondio]

I won't watch any NBA while they're pushing political messages and organizations.

Gets old doesn't it? but now "I'm" part of the problem because i haven't latched my wagon to their's. Here's the thing, I didn't just get "woke" in 2020. I didn't just become aware that people that look different than me are treated differently almost every single day of their lives in every day interactions and from people in authority positions.

At the same time, seeing target employees wearing BLM shirts and all the other stuff I see out there now seems like fluff for the masses so they can appear a certain way. Give the illusion of caring, it took you until now to care?

But that's how it is these days. I was told "just wear the G#d D@mn mask" by this SJW my wife works with, who later that evening after the work function when to a bar all night was exposed and then tested positive. LOL It's the new American way. Tell others how what they need to be woke too, how they need to react to it, how you need to feel about it, and then live your own life to a different standard. Used to be I'd just hang out with different people when we were that far apart, but these days, don't say the right things or wear the right tshirt or post the correct message when they want you to, a thousand people that have zero clue about you and what makes you tick will come crushing down on you.

so to bring this back to basketball, i don't find the quality of it that great right now. just seems odd. in a week or 2 maybe it starts picking back up as games count more and people should be back in playing shape? but coupled with being told how to feel and think at ever turn, i think i'd rather turn it off.

 

[rmontro]

By the way, the NFL is planning to add social justice messages on end zones for home openers, and give players the option of wearing the names of (alleged) victims of racism on their helmets. So the NBA isn't the only league looking to push a narrative.

https://thespun.com/nfl/nfl-announc...has unveiled its,borders for all home openers.

 

[gopkrs]

By the way, the NFL is planning to add social justice messages on end zones for home openers, and give players the option of wearing the names of (alleged) victims of racism on their helmets. So the NBA isn't the only league looking to push a narrative.

https://thespun.com/nfl/nfl-announces-social-justice-end-zone-messages-for-kickoff-week#:~:text=The NFL has unveiled its,borders for all home openers.

Yeah, I was wondering if you would watch football. The NFL network does a lot of stuff. Shows how hard up I am that I know what is going on with the NFL network.

 

[rmontro]

Yeah, I was wondering if you would watch football.

I'm a lifelong Packer fan, so it would be hard pressed for me not to watch football. So I will most likely watch the Packer games, but I will not give the NFL any of my money, not while they are promoting Marxism. I will not buy merchandise, and I will not buy any tickets (even if they have them). I may drop buying products from a few of their sponsors as well.

 

[gopkrs]

Well you can be assured that the owners are not promoting Marxism. Nor are the salaried players for that matter.

 

[Mondio]

By the way, the NFL is planning to add social justice messages on end zones for home openers, and give players the option of wearing the names of (alleged) victims of racism on their helmets. So the NBA isn't the only league looking to push a narrative.

https://thespun.com/nfl/nfl-announces-social-justice-end-zone-messages-for-kickoff-week#:~:text=The NFL has unveiled its,borders for all home openers.

I watch for the football, that's it. when the other messages start taking over, one day I probably will tune it out too. The NFL is great because of football and the storylines the game created and the characters that rose up from all sorts of backgrounds to make their own story in the league.

They need to keep that in mind. But i don't think they care, they make money on controversy and the soup de jour these days it seems. the football has almost become an after thought. Which i guess is good for them, because I don't see any season they may have this year as being good football. Maybe they do have things all figured out? they'll survive without me one day i'm sure.

 

[gopkrs]

I watch for the football, that's it.

I would have liked it better if you would have stopped right there.

 

[rmontro]

Well you can be assured that the owners are not promoting Marxism. Nor are the salaried players for that matter.

If they're promoting BLM, I am assured that they are.
I would love to say more, and discuss it more openly, but we're not supposed to talk about politics (even though the NFL does).
If you want to discuss it further, we can always go to the adult area.

 

[gopkrs]

If they're promoting BLM, I am assured that they are.
I would love to say more, and discuss it more openly, but we're not supposed to talk about politics (even though the NFL does).
If you want to discuss it further, we can always go to the adult area.

You know, I think about politics, I read about it, I get upset about things etc. But I also realize that my time is coming to a close on all of that. And I am definitely OK with that. I am disappointed as to how my generation ended up doing though.

 

[rmontro]

You know, I think about politics, I read about it, I get upset about things etc. But I also realize that my time is coming to a close on all of that. And I am definitely OK with that. I am disappointed as to how my generation ended up doing though.

I feel much the same way, believe it or not. I'm getting to the age where I know my years on this earth are limited, and I will go to join the other people who experienced the age we grew up in. The young people coming up will take over, and they will do things their way. They seem to want to go in a particular direction, and it's probably inevitable that the US will become fully socialist at some point, and the values that are important to me are stuffed in the trash. It's just a matter of how quickly we get there. In the meantime, I guess I have a problem keeping my mouth shut while I watch it happen.

I watch for the football, that's it. when the other messages start taking over, one day I probably will tune it out too..

I will probably reach that point also, hard to say, depends on how bad things get. I used to enjoy watching basketball, but I don't have the deep connection with it that I feel with football, mostly because of the Packers and where my family comes from.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I won't watch any NBA while they're pushing political messages and organizations.

I don’t mind the social messaging as long as there is perspective. The game should not be the social message. And maybe it isn’t, but man it’s getting hard to tell the difference.

 

[gopkrs]

In the meantime, I guess I have a problem keeping my mouth shut while I watch it happen.

So do I. But I'm working on it. Still

 

[jon]

. when the other messages start taking over, one day I probably will tune it out too.

yep
getting really sick of seeing this superficial, insincere groupthink