OLB Situation / Interesting Waiver wire prospects

[McKnowledge]

we won a super bowl thanks to a special teams demon. They're important, don't undervalue them . and the patriots signed Lawerence guy from us, Bennett after he quit on us, RJF, Kyrie Thorton and Jerel WOrthy, how did those work out?

We won a Super Bowl (1996) with a complete team. All phases.

What do those players have to do with Coleman?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

There is no I in team. You're not a team player. SMH.

Yup, cute saying....ranks right up there with "He should take a team friendly discount".

 

[Mondio]

We won a Super Bowl (1996) with a complete team. All phases.

What do those players have to do with Coleman?

that's right it was a complete team, think about it and what that means. Howard was what to that team? That's right, you can find the answers when you think about what you're saying first.

and what do those players have to do with Coleman? The Patriots signed them too, after being cut by us. Players we thought were nothing and it turns out they were nothing. Well other than Bennett, he was just a quitter and did nothing after he quit on us either. But you put forth the patriots signing Coleman as it meaning something. I just gave you 4 examples of players they signed from us that they "liked" too and what did they do? There's a good chance Coleman is what he is and it isn't what you think.

I guess I shouldn't include RJF, he's a good guy and was fine for what they signed him for. He would have been fine to keep him here too.

 

[Dantés]

Wright is a young player with talent. He can be coached.

Who cares about a "ST demon"...lol. Is he getting snaps on downs?

Coleman just signed with the Patriots. Somebody likes him.

There are no answers for Mack.

Wright is an unemployed player without much talent. Any player can be coached. Is there raw ability there to be coached? In Wright's case, no. Especially not in coverage. That's laughable. His movement skills are terrible and he's never been a plus cover player. He left college with a whopping 1 INT and 1 PBU in three seasons. His college team used him as a blitzer to keep him out of coverage situations.

"lol' all you want at a special teams player. Crawford has a role on the 53 man roster of a playoff contender. Wright isn't even on a practice squad. I have absolutely no issue with cutting Crawford if they find an upgrade. The guy who no one wants is not that upgrade.

The Patriots taking a risk-free flier on Coleman does not change the fact that you suggested we trade the most experienced receiver on our roster (who was just pivotal in the greatest comeback in Lambeau history) for a player who had already been cut from the worst receiving corps in the NFL.

Seems like a quicker passing game and a little help for Bulaga was a perfectly adequate answer for Mack.

 

[sschind]

Absolutely, I would take as much as I can. However, with a transcendent talent like Mack, I'd like to think Aaron Rodgers would've took less if the Packers in fact were close to making a deal happen. Mack would've made Green Bay absolute title contenders. Its not about a "hometown dicount", but the ability to maximize your chances of winning another Super Bowl. Quarterbacks and pass rushers are the great equalizers.

The Packers consistently make the mistake of not consulting Rodgers on personnel moves. AR12 has earned the right to have input, or at least, a heads up. True, the Mack deal came later...a few days later. If Gute approached Rodgers, with a proposition of taking slightly less guaranteed money, I sincerely think Rodgers would've strongly considered that. PLus let's not forget the Raiders also gave Chicago a second round pick as well. Gute could've negotiated a similar deal, securing a transcendent talent and a high second round draft pick for next season (Raiders will be garbage this year).

You know what, Rodgers MIGHT have taken less if it meant they could afford Mack. I'm not going to sit here and pretend to know what he would have done if asked. However, as I said before I don't think it was the money that kept Mack from coming here. It was the picks. Yes the Raiders gave a 2nd rounder back but they got a 4th( I think) Not that a 4th is huge but it is something. The even bigger picture though is why in the world would the Raiders even consider the Packers 2 first rounders AND giving back a second when it is fairly certain the Bears will be picking higher than the Packers. If you look at the deal that went down and think the Packers could have gotten the same you are crazy. It likely would have taken more than the Bears gave up for the Packers to have gotten Mack and they probably wouldn't have gotten a 2nd rounder back, so stop saying the Packers could have gotten Mack for what the Bears gave up. It just wouldn't happen.

So if Gute went to AR and said "would you take less if we signed Kahlil Mack" The agreement would have had to be ... lets call it X - Mack Money ... unless we don't get Mack then its X. and even that puts Gute is in a precarious position. To get Mack he has to give up multiple first rounders and then some If he can't come to an agreement with the Raiders he is facing a situation where his HOF QB just gave up millions of dollars to get Mack and he (Gute) failed to do that. You don't think that would **** Rodgers off?

About the only way they could have pulled it off is if they had two acceptable agreements in place with Rodgers beforehand and not announced it until after the Mack situation was settled. If they got Mack Rodgers signs the deal for less, if not he signs the deal for more.

 

[McKnowledge]

Wright is an unemployed player without much talent. Any player can be coached. Is there raw ability there to be coached? In Wright's case, no. Especially not in coverage. That's laughable. His movement skills are terrible and he's never been a plus cover player. He left college with a whopping 1 INT and 1 PBU in three seasons. His college team use him as a blitzer to keep him out of coverage situations.

"lol' all you want at a special teams player. Crawford has a role on the 53 man roster of a playoff contender. Wright isn't even on a practice squad. I have absolutely no issue with cutting Crawford if they find an upgrade. The guy who no one wants is not that upgrade.

The Patriots taking a risk-free flier on Coleman does not change the fact that you suggested we trade the most experienced receiver on our roster (who was just pivotal in the great comeback in Lambeau history) for a player who had already been cut from the worst receiving corps in the NFL.

Seems like a quicker passing game and a little help for Bulaga was a perfectly adequate answer for Mack.

Your revising history to fit your argument. My statement about Cobb was prior to last Sunday night. Cobb delivered as he should. He's getting paid very well for it.

Well if we think that way, why wouldn't Mack take a "Home Town Discount" to play with Aaron Rodgers and a team much closer to the Super Bowl than the Bears? Why shouldn't ALL the Packer players chip in a share to bring a talent like Mack to the Packers? While it is a nice warm fuzzy thought to think that even a guy like AR would say "you know what, keep a few million a year to make this team better, I'm good", but the reality is, most players are probably looking out for themselves, the same that you or I would.

Mack never played for Green Bay. What "hometown"? Mack's career is just beginning, he's starting his legacy, its his second contract. Rodgers is attemping to cement his legacy. Only thing that counts right now are Super Bowl wins.

 

[sschind]

Well if we think that way, why wouldn't Mack take a "Home Town Discount" to play with Aaron Rodgers and a team much closer to the Super Bowl than the Bears? Why shouldn't ALL the Packer players chip in a share to bring a talent like Mack to the Packers? While it is a nice warm fuzzy thought to think that even a guy like AR would say "you know what, keep a few million a year to make this team better, I'm good", but the reality is, most players are probably looking out for themselves, the same that you or I would.

Here is Gute at that team meeting

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[McKnowledge]

Yup, cute saying....ranks right up there with "He should take a team friendly discount".

Never said "team friendly discount"...well...typed it. Both sides could still get what they want, when negotiating a deal. You're holding a 2/7 off suit.

 

[sschind]

There is no I in team. You're not a team player. SMH.

Yes, but there is an M and an E "ME"

 

[McKnowledge]

that's right it was a complete team, think about it and what that means. Howard was what to that team? That's right, you can find the answers when you think about what you're saying first.

and what do those players have to do with Coleman? The Patriots signed them too, after being cut by us. Players we thought were nothing and it turns out they were nothing. Well other than Bennett, he was just a quitter and did nothing after he quit on us either. But you put forth the patriots signing Coleman as it meaning something. I just gave you 4 examples of players they signed from us that they "liked" too and what did they do? There's a good chance Coleman is what he is and it isn't what you think.

I guess I shouldn't include RJF, he's a good guy and was fine for what they signed him for. He would have been fine to keep him here too.

Coleman never played for the Packers. He could've...

 

[McKnowledge]

Yes, but there is an M and an E "ME"

Oh. Is that how you spell it?

 

[McKnowledge]

Wright is an unemployed player without much talent. Any player can be coached. Is there raw ability there to be coached? In Wright's case, no. Especially not in coverage. That's laughable. His movement skills are terrible and he's never been a plus cover player. He left college with a whopping 1 INT and 1 PBU in three seasons. His college team used him as a blitzer to keep him out of coverage situations.

"lol' all you want at a special teams player. Crawford has a role on the 53 man roster of a playoff contender. Wright isn't even on a practice squad. I have absolutely no issue with cutting Crawford if they find an upgrade. The guy who no one wants is not that upgrade.

The Patriots taking a risk-free flier on Coleman does not change the fact that you suggested we trade the most experienced receiver on our roster (who was just pivotal in the greatest comeback in Lambeau history) for a player who had already been cut from the worst receiving corps in the NFL.

Seems like a quicker passing game and a little help for Bulaga was a perfectly adequate answer for Mack.

All great points. I did suggest trading Cobb for Coleman, unaware of his release from the Bills...leaving dead cap money for Buffalo, and him being claimed by Big Brother Division Rival...that's fair ( Buffalo is stupid). But you did say any player can be coached, why not Scooby Wright? Also, did you say blitzer? He had 17 sacks in college...not bad. I wonder...

 

[McKnowledge]

About the only way they could have pulled it off is if they had two acceptable agreements in place with Rodgers beforehand and not announced it until after the Mack situation was settled. If they got Mack Rodgers, signs the deal for less, if not he signs the deal for more.

I like the way you think. That's pretty much it. Bottom line.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Never said "team friendly discount"...well...typed it. Both sides could still get what they want, when negotiating a deal. You're holding a 2/7 off suit.

No but you implied it with thinking Rodgers could have been consulted about Mack as well as he might have adjusted his ask if he was.

Not sure what me holding a 2/7 off suit has anything to do with this, but keep thinking that, its how I make a lot of money at the table and I am more than happy to take your donations to keep me at the table.

 

[McKnowledge]

No but you implied it with thinking Rodgers could have been consulted about Mack as well as he might have adjusted his ask if he was.

Duh

Not sure what me holding a 2/7 off suit has anything to do with this, but keep thinking that, its how I make a lot of money at the table and I am more than happy to take your donations to keep me at the table.

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[Pokerbrat2000]

Duh

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Yup, these are typical responses from someone, when they don't have a fitting response. Much like when a kid says "na na na na nah" and runs away.

Seriously think you chose the wrong account name here, unless you just forgot to add the first part of "Lack of".

 

[Dantés]

All great points. I did suggest trading Cobb for Coleman, unaware of his release from the Bills...leaving dead cap money for Buffalo, and him being claimed by Big Brother Division Rival...that's fair ( Buffalo is stupid). But you did say any player can be coached, why not Scooby Wright? Also, did you say blitzer? He had 17 sacks in college...not bad. I wonder...

Yes, but not every player is worth the effort of coaching. Great instruction would surely improve Wright or any player, but it's never going to overcome his physical limitations. You're talking about a 7th round draft choice who has spent two seasons barely hanging on to any sort of league involvement. I don't understand the interest.

 

[Dantés]

Your revising history to fit your argument. My statement about Cobb was prior to last Sunday night. Cobb delivered as he should. He's getting paid very well for it.

I'm flattered, but I have to inform you that I don't actually have the power to revise history. I'm simply pointing out that the player you suggested we trade away has already showed his importance and the player you suggested we trade for was not actually on a team.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yes, but not every player is worth the effort of coaching. Great instruction would surely improve Wright or any player, but it's never going to overcome his physical limitations. You're talking about a 7th round draft choice who has spent two seasons barely hanging on to any sort of league involvement. I don't understand the interest.

Much like the interest some had in Janis. I will come clean here, I actually liked Wright coming out of Arizona and hoped the Packers would select him and was shocked when he made it to the 7th round. Looking back on it, I saw what he did his Sophomore year as well as some "highlight film" and the Packers need at the position and figured his junior year was just injury related. Goes to show you what I know and I am glad the Packers didn't select him and have no clue how he would be an upgrade at this point.

 

[Mondio]

Coleman never played for the Packers. He could've...

I doubt he could have, he'd be unemployed like he is now or will be shortly. You seem to think the Patriots taking on flyer on him seems to indicate some level of importance. Like when they signed Jerel Worthy or Kyrie right? I only use former packer players because we're familiar with them. We know they weren't very good here. The Patriots signed them anyway just to see and guess what, they didn't like them either. Probably what will happen with Coleman too.

 

[McKnowledge]

Yup, these are typical responses from someone, when they don't have a fitting response. Much like when a kid says "na na na na nah" and runs away.

Seriously think you chose the wrong account name here, unless you just forgot to add the first part of "Lack of".

Like this...

Not sure what me holding a 2/7 off suit has anything to do with this, but keep thinking that, its how I make a lot of money at the table and I am more than happy to take your donations to keep me at the table.

C'mon. Lighten up.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Duh

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Like this...
C'mon. Lighten up.

LOL.....if you don't recognize that my responses were directly correlated to your posts, than we are done here, yours on the other hand, were not. As far as "lightening it up", I love to battle wits, but not with an unarmed man.

 

[GleefulGary]

Wright is a young player with talent. He can be coached.

Who cares about a "ST demon"...lol. Is he getting snaps on downs?

Coleman just signed with the Patriots. Somebody likes him.

There are no answers for Mack.

Is Wright going to play over Burks, Morrison, or Toomer? I doubt it. So then, having a good ST’s guy matters.

And Bill Belicheck, he cares about ST demons a lot. They’re an important part that good teams always have.

Corey Coleman sucks. Trading Cobb for Coleman is just...I really don’t have words. It’s stupid. I can’t believe it’s real. Coleman couldn’t get play for Cleveland or Buffalo, but we should trade Cobb for him. Frickin brilliant.

 

[sschind]

I doubt he could have, he'd be unemployed like he is now or will be shortly. You seem to think the Patriots taking on flyer on him seems to indicate some level of importance. Like when they signed Jerel Worthy or Kyrie right? I only use former packer players because we're familiar with them. We know they weren't very good here. The Patriots signed them anyway just to see and guess what, they didn't like them either. Probably what will happen with Coleman too.

Nah, BB will hold onto him all season. TB will get him enough passes to make someone sign him next season and the Pats will get a 6th round comp pick.

 

[Dantés]

The Patriots sign guys like this only to cut them shortly thereafter all the time. The instances where they stick and produce are much rarer. They like to throw a lot of stuff at the wall and see what sticks.