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Evidently, and this could be sunshine blown up our backsides to some extent or another, but evidently Pettine’s defense is supposed to be exceptionally adaptable in terms of complexity. He and others (did you read the Jim Leonard interview?) have said that he can get a simple version of it completely installed and then just build on it with more complicated concepts as players are ready to handle it.
I havne't seen what JL had to say about it. It is the impression i'm getting. and maybe it's sunshine, but i'm believing it for now. We've had players here and they could play good defense. We forced plenty of 3rd and longs over the past couple seasons, even with #4 DB's as our starters, but we could always rely on a breakdown somewhere and leave someone wide open for 12+ yards in the middle of the field.

Just cleaning that up makes this defense better. Don't be so confusing you confuse yourself. Well timed "exotics" and lots of just solid base play will help this defense tremendously. Then you grow from there. I think it's a good philosophy. I wrestled since I was 5, no state championship, but I was better than most. and I'd dominate people with the first 3 moves I ever learned. Single leg takedown, an escape, and half nelson. You don't have to be fancy to win. Just be good at what you do.
 

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I havne't seen what JL had to say about it. It is the impression i'm getting. and maybe it's sunshine, but i'm believing it for now. We've had players here and they could play good defense. We forced plenty of 3rd and longs over the past couple seasons, even with #4 DB's as our starters, but we could always rely on a breakdown somewhere and leave someone wide open for 12+ yards in the middle of the field.

Just cleaning that up makes this defense better. Don't be so confusing you confuse yourself. Well timed "exotics" and lots of just solid base play will help this defense tremendously. Then you grow from there. I think it's a good philosophy. I wrestled since I was 5, no state championship, but I was better than most. and I'd dominate people with the first 3 moves I ever learned. Single leg takedown, an escape, and half nelson. You don't have to be fancy to win. Just be good at what you do.

It was a Michael Cohen interview article on The Athletic, so you have to being a paying customer to access it (I decided to sign up a few months ago and have found it to be worthwhile). The long and short of it is that Leonard parroted a lot of the same talking points we've heard from Pettine this offseason: simplicity disguised as complexity, a basic version of the defense that can be added to over time, and the flexibility to give some players simple roles and others complex ones.

I don't want to make too much of this. To one extent or another, all NFL defenses can be said to have the above qualities. But it would seem that these aren't just incidental features of Pettine's schemes, but rather defining characteristics. Otherwise, I don't know why Leonard (and anyone else you ask) would be saying the exact same things as everyone else.
 

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Evidently, and this could be sunshine blown up our backsides to some extent or another, but evidently Pettine’s defense is supposed to be exceptionally adaptable in terms of complexity. He and others (did you read the Jim Leonard interview?) have said that he can get a simple version of it completely installed and then just build on it with more complicated concepts as players are ready to handle it.

I'm a big Jim Leonard Fan and remember the article well. I linked it below, if anyone wants to read it. Leonard has a bright future in coaching, I just hope the Badgers can keep him as their DC for as long as possible. I also hope he and Rex Ryan, who said the following about Pettine are spot on. :)

"He’ll be the best coordinator in the league. That’s how good he is"

https://madison.com/wsj/sports/foot...cle_94aea7f3-c720-5727-8205-95b73ffa2363.html
 

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I'm a big Jim Leonard Fan and remember the article well. I linked it below, if anyone wants to read it. Leonard has a bright future in coaching, I just hope the Badgers can keep him as their DC for as long as possible. I also hope he and Rex Ryan, who said the following about Pettine are spot on. :)

"He’ll be the best coordinator in the league. That’s how good he is"

https://madison.com/wsj/sports/foot...cle_94aea7f3-c720-5727-8205-95b73ffa2363.html

Screw the Badgers. Pettine should hire him away.
 

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Poker? Don't tell me! I got on that bus before Poker. He's always copying me.

You notice how he posted and didn't comment on the Simon thing. He's trying to pretend he is not seething inside. Its a good thing he thinks Gute is doing a good job or he would start a "Fire Gute" thread. Go on Poker, let it out. It's not healthy to keep those things bottled up inside.
 

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Why? Why? Why?

Because he's a free agent and they're starved for pass rusher help.

Interestingly, the Packers made a waiver claim on Anthony Zettel, but the Browns had the higher priority so they missed out. It would seem that Green Bay is looking for pass rush help, but maybe they're being a little picky. I guess we'll see how it unfolds.
 
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Because he's a free agent and they're starved for pass rusher help.

Interestingly, the Packers made a waiver claim on Anthony Zettel, but the Browns had the higher priority so they missed out. It would seem that Green Bay is looking for pass rush help, but maybe they're being a little picky. I guess we'll see how it unfolds.

I thought Simon was better than Zettel and had a brilliant pre-season to boot. Well, trust in Gute...for now.
 

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I thought Simon was better than Zettel and had a brilliant pre-season to boot. Well, trust in Gute...for now.

Zettel is a different type of player, but he's had better seasons than Simon as a rusher. But they may still pursue Simon, or someone else. They are probably looking for specific skill sets and qualities per Pettine's request. Without knowing what those are for certain, it's hard to know who they will go after.
 

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You notice how he posted and didn't comment on the Simon thing. He's trying to pretend he is not seething inside. Its a good thing he thinks Gute is doing a good job or he would start a "Fire Gute" thread. Go on Poker, let it out. It's not healthy to keep those things bottled up inside.

Hey stop poking the Bear Brother, you know you always ended up bloodied and crying to Mom ;)

I'm still on the sign JS train, I just didn't want to get all "Janisesque" about my Simple Simon wish.
 

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so uhhhh.... is this really the edge rush group we're going into the season with? yeahhhhh, about that...
 

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The writing is on the wall guys... Why do you think Winston moss lost his **** this spring? Because lbs are to this scheme, what dlinemen were to capers' scheme. Imo. A total after thought.

And if we look at dollars and cents. Perry and Mathews are around 25 mil. So the numbers dictate we have league minimum backups... Nobody wants to send Mathews to the glue factory and save 11 mil cap. So we have to deal with no name backups.

But that's besides the point. We will be bringing the heat with power and quickness. Right at them instead of around them... Once the online trenches in , the edge rushers will actually be able to either jobs effectively.
Besides that. We beefed up the. Secondary to be stronger bigger faster... That will help with tackling, and give good options for blitzes as well. But overall. The lack of support from the lbs will be replaced with better destructive dlinemen who are fresh and not banged up. And press CBs shortening the timer and disrupting routes. Also being in better position (up), rather than the old Randall 15 yards off, technique....

We don't need edge rushers unless we plan to not change anything from capers scheme...
 

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Considering what Mack just got paid, Clay and Perry might start looking like "bargains" LOL

It actually will be interesting to see what Matthews wants next year and a lot of that will be influenced by how he performs this year, which may help motivate him a lot.

I guess we will have to wait and see how well #52 and #53 play, as well as how healthy they stay, but if Gilbert hasn't made the next jump, the Packers have really set themselves up for a potential issue at OLB.
 

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Scooby Wright? Good ILB at Arizona. Good tackler. Why not? As far as outside. I'm not too concerned. Pressure can come from anywhere in a Pettine scheme. ILB depth is needed.
 

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Scooby Wright? Good ILB at Arizona. Good tackler. Why not? As far as outside. I'm not too concerned. Pressure can come from anywhere in a Pettine scheme. ILB depth is needed.

You want them to carry a 6th ILB?
 

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Considering what Mack just got paid, Clay and Perry might start looking like "bargains" LOL

It actually will be interesting to see what Matthews wants next year and a lot of that will be influenced by how he performs this year, which may help motivate him a lot.

I guess we will have to wait and see how well #52 and #53 play, as well as how healthy they stay, but if Gilbert hasn't made the next jump, the Packers have really set themselves up for a potential issue at OLB.

I know that Perry is always hurt, but they basically got a built in discount for that fragility when they signed him. When he’s on the field and healthy, he’s a bargain.
 

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You want them to carry a 6th ILB?

Sure...I'll take the bait. Putting on my GM hat, I would drop James Crawford and add Scooby Wright. ILB need to be surefire tacklers and possess coverage skills. Wright already has those skills. Besides Packers need to get younger at nearly every position (defensively) as Aaron Rodgers enters Phase Three of his career. Next? I would trade a 2nd or 3rd rounder to Denver for Shane Ray of the Denver Broncos. He will produce this season and it would be smart to get him this season and have leverage when negotiating his 2nd contract. Already possessing two 1st round picks. Green Bay could trade down and recoup additional picks in next years draft. I would also give a call to Eric Reid and offer him a one year deal at the veteran's minimum. Football is football. If a player can play, let him play. Last, if Randall Cobb is indeed on the trading block, I would move him to Buffalo for Corey Coleman. He would be a legitimate No. 2 WR, younger and cheaper, ready to acclimate into the offensive system. If GB had done this a month ago, that would've freed up cash to make a strong play for Khalil Mack. Aaron Rodgers would've taken a financial haircut for that opportunity. Now you got Khalil Mack the Bear on a divisional rival, and GB's O-Line has absolutely no answers for him.
 

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Sure...I'll take the bait. Putting on my GM hat, I would drop James Crawford and add Scooby Wright. ILB need to be surefire tacklers and possess coverage skills. Wright already has those skills. Besides Packers need to get younger at nearly every position (defensively) as Aaron Rodgers enters Phase Three of his career. Next? I would trade a 2nd or 3rd rounder to Denver for Shane Ray of the Denver Broncos. He will produce this season and it would be smart to get him this season and have leverage when negotiating his 2nd contract. Already possessing two 1st round picks. Green Bay could trade down and recoup additional picks in next years draft. I would also give a call to Eric Reid and offer him a one year deal at the veteran's minimum. Football is football. If a player can play, let him play. Last, if Randall Cobb is indeed on the trading block, I would move him to Buffalo for Corey Coleman. He would be a legitimate No. 2 WR, younger and cheaper, ready to acclimate into the offensive system. If GB had done this a month ago, that would've freed up cash to make a strong play for Khalil Mack. Aaron Rodgers would've taken a financial haircut for that opportunity. Now you got Khalil Mack the Bear on a divisional rival, and GB's O-Line has absolutely no answers for him.

Wright is absolutely horrible in coverage. Crawford was kept because they feel he will be a ST demon.

I personally don’t think Ray is any good— just another John Elway swing and miss.

The Bills already cut Corey Coleman. Apparently he wasn’t good enough to make the worst receiver corps in football. Not exactly a legit #2.

The Packers have two answers for Mack. Their names are David and Bryan. They comprise the best OT duo in football. It’s weird how some Packer fans seem to have forgotten this.
 
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The writing is on the wall guys... Why do you think Winston moss lost his **** this spring? Because lbs are to this scheme, what dlinemen were to capers' scheme. Imo. A total after thought.

We don't need edge rushers unless we plan to not change anything from capers scheme...

It would be a terrible mistake to underestimate the importance of edge rushers on a defense. The Packers need at least one of their backup outside linebackers to step up and have an impact this season.

I would trade a 2nd or 3rd rounder to Denver for Shane Ray of the Denver Broncos. He will produce this season and it would be smart to get him this season and have leverage when negotiating his 2nd contract. Already possessing two 1st round picks. Green Bay could trade down and recoup additional picks in next years draft. Last, if Randall Cobb is indeed on the trading block, I would move him to Buffalo for Corey Coleman. He would be a legitimate No. 2 WR, younger and cheaper, ready to acclimate into the offensive system.

You already advocated for the Packers to trade a first round for Ray several months ago. It was a terrible idea at that point and still is.

The Packers shouldn't use their two first round picke next year to trade down to accumulate even more picks but possibly use both of them to move into the top 10 to select an immediate impact player.

The Bills released Coleman although it cost them $3.5 million of dead money counting against their cap without him playing a single snap for the team. It would be another terrible move to sign him to replace Cobb.
 

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Just to review:

-Cut Crawford and sign Scooby, the linebacker who is apparently a coverage maven with his 4.9 speed. And we somehow know this about him despite him barely playing enough to register a stat line in two seasons.

-Trade a day two pick for Shane Ray, the undersized, uber-stiff Elway draft bust who has missed 10 games through three seasons.

-Trade our most experienced receiver and a Rodgers favorite to Buffalo for a former Browns bust who actually the Bills can’t trade us because he couldn’t crack their lousy squad.

That’s an impressive list.
 

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Aaron Rodgers would've taken a financial haircut for that opportunity.

Why do so many fans believe this to be the case with players? I'm not saying that it doesn't happen occasionally, but to assume every Packer player is going to "give a home town discount" to stay with the Packers is just setting yourself up for not liking the player, because he did what most players do and you probably would too, get whatever you can.
 

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