OFFICIAL Mike McCarthy Took Back Play callin

[Carl]

Clements is the problem...the play calling...the protections...the schemes are all wrong....the only time they are in sync is when AR goes off the scheme and ad libs...then they have energy and make plays.

McCarthy is taking a larger role...and honestly can see after the Lions game tonight there will be changes.

Posted this in another thread, but it makes more sense here so I deleted it and move it.

First of all, considering the o line and the WRs didn't play well, how can a play caller adjust to that?

Secondly, I kept track of how the first half drives ended.

Take a look:
1) Awful blocking led to a 3rd and 1 stop.
2) 15 yard facemask brought back a huge gain.
3) High throw/dropped pass lead the INT
4) Pass protection broke down for the sack on 3rd down and then missed FG.
5) RT gets whipped for the sack on 3rd down.
6) 1st down: Linsley dominated and then holds setting up 1st and 20. 1st down number two: O line doesn’t block and run stuffed.. 2nd down: Line pass protects well and nobody gets open until Rodgers throws a bad pass to Lacy. 3rd down: Again line pass protects well and nobody gets open against man coverage.
7) 2nd down: Pocket collapses and nobody beats their guy. 3rd down: o line whipped again on 3rd and 1.

2nd half: Was the play calling different? I have no idea, but execution sure was better.

What is the fan obsession with blaming play calling no matter what the players are doing?

 

[melvin dangerr]

Can. Anyone here tell us what edgars job responsiblites are

As far as I know he is only the running backs coach, hardly in a position the to change the offensive plays

 

[longtimefan]

Clements is the problem...the play calling...the protections...the schemes are all wrong....the only time they are in sync is when AR goes off the scheme and ad libs...then they have energy and make plays.

McCarthy is taking a larger role...and honestly can see after the Lions game tonight there will be changes.

Plays are the same as they were when they were 5-0 and Rodgers was MVP according to the experts---why did the team look so good then? Tom was calling them at that point.

Can play calling make Rodgers throw short, once again he had poor throws tonight..The int was too high, a throw to Adams (after his TD) was short other wise very well could have been a TD..

Can play calling make Wr catch the balls when they hit them in the hands?

Majority of people have no clue what is going on with play calling (unless you have insider info)

So now is your chance to tell us what they are doing wrong

 

[longtimefan]

As far as I know he is only the running backs coach, hardly in a position the to change the offensive plays

He is the WR coach now..

my question was to someone complaining that Edgar wasnt doing his job right..He couldnt give me his responsibilities

 

[melvin dangerr]

Well, seems Mike McCarthy is saying changes are going to be coming, likely right now right after the game he hasn't revealed those, but I have to think he may be about to grab the play book away from Clements or at least get more involved in changing things up on that side of the ball between him and Bennet or something.

I thought I saw him in 2nd quarter with playbook in hand walking down the side lines...

 

[Carl]

I thought I saw him in 2nd quarter with playbook in hand walking down the side lines...

I've seen MM with something often this year. I would bet he still has input on the plays.

 

[longtimefan]

I thought I saw him in 2nd quarter with playbook in hand walking down the side lines...

he carries the sheet-- he still listens to the plays being calling

 

[melvin dangerr]

A lot of things can be criticle of the Packers tonight but the only thing that bothered me was when the packers were losing and out sync and total Kaos was on I did not see and of the Packer players or coaches on the side lines trying to motivate or fire up the players on offense or defense I was trying to see who the real leader in crises was going to be it was not A-rod or MM I guess it was something I did not see or maybe players finally got fed up with themselves, what ever it was I am not looking for in your face blame game shoving but just want to know who is leading the Team..

 

[longtimefan]

A lot of things can be criticle of the Packers tonight but the only thing that bothered me was when the packers were losing and out sync and total Kaos was on I did not see and of the Packer players or coaches on the side lines trying to motivate or fire up the players on offense or defense I was trying to see who the real leader in crises was going to be it was not A-rod or MM I guess it was something I did not see or maybe players finally got fed up with themselves, what ever it was I am not looking for in your face blame game shoving but just want to know who is leading the Team..

Kuhn did it when it went to 17- 0???

 

[melvin dangerr]

Kuhn did it when it went to 17- 0???

Your right! saw that one but no one else

 

[longtimefan]

Your right! saw that one but no one else

It might be when cameras arent on? Ort maybe in the small groups when going over adjustments?

Not sure, but just because it isnt shown on TV, doesnt mean it isnt happening..just like Kuhn, it happened, but you forgot..

My guess if it happened tonight with Kuhn it happens more than we know

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Posted this in another thread, but it makes more sense here so I deleted it and move it.

First of all, considering the o line and the WRs didn't play well, how can a play caller adjust to that?

Secondly, I kept track of how the first half drives ended.

Take a look:
1) Awful blocking led to a 3rd and 1 stop.
2) 15 yard facemask brought back a huge gain.
3) High throw/dropped pass lead the INT
4) Pass protection broke down for the sack on 3rd down and then missed FG.
5) RT gets whipped for the sack on 3rd down.
6) 1st down: Linsley dominated and then holds setting up 1st and 20. 1st down number two: O line doesn’t block and run stuffed.. 2nd down: Line pass protects well and nobody gets open until Rodgers throws a bad pass to Lacy. 3rd down: Again line pass protects well and nobody gets open against man coverage.
7) 2nd down: Pocket collapses and nobody beats their guy. 3rd down: o line whipped again on 3rd and 1.

2nd half: Was the play calling different? I have no idea, but execution sure was better.

What is the fan obsession with blaming play calling no matter what the players are doing?

I believe there are multiple reasons for the WRs and failure to get open and things of that nature. It is true that when watching closely, I suspect more teams as other posters have stated are probably going to let their corners get up closer more frequently and directly challenge our receivers to get open more often, perhaps taking away those easy slant/seam routes and other of those plays that were kinda just an afterthought in years past. I suspect in the remaining weeks and even heading into the offseason, we may need to change some things up to get a better production against tight man coverage. May involve changing a few routes up a little, but I suspect MM will do this in anticipation of seeing that coverage.

It did strike me a little odd though that somehow they seemed to find a way to spring RR free a few times out there against it, and even Devante Adams on that TD catch they seemed to be able to run a bit of a cross pattern or at least a decoy play in there to get the man off him a little. Also saw an out route with Cobb work to beat it on that quick throw late in the game. I think some of us are simply questioning why these appear to be invisible early on in games. Though it's possible Detroit also switched up their coverage to a bad one or after that one PI penalty on Diggs, backed em off a little.

It is crazy how a team can go from just looking totally unprepared and totally beaten in every facet of the game and looking like they had no preparation or discipline at all, to making a raging desperate comeback like that to win out in dramatic fashion unlike anything I've seen in a long time. Who knows though, even though I don't see the end to our offensive struggles just yet for the season, hopefully the film of this game will reveal some of those answers MM has said he's looked for.

 

[longtimefan]

It is crazy how a team can go from just looking totally unprepared and totally beaten in every facet of the game and looking like they had no preparation or discipline at all, to making a raging desperate comeback like that to win out in dramatic fashion unlike anything I've seen in a long time. Who knows though, even though I don't see the end to our offensive struggles just yet for the season, hopefully the film of this game will reveal some of those answers MM has said he's looked for.

During the losing streak they were still able to score points in 1 st q..And your pointing out end of game--- they are scoring. This is why I think the play calling isnt the true issue..Is there something Clements is doing? I think there are some concerns from the players, so some of this lays at Toms' feet. but it isnt as simple as give back to MM

Watching now---2nd q--Packers have ball 5 40 min mark 3rd and 11

Rodgers throws to Cobb, (slant type play) a ghost pi call on the def...This shouldnt have been a flag, and Packers should have punted..

But the point is Rodgers led way to much..Cobb's right arm is FULLY extended and he barley touched it...That is not ball calling, Cobb had his man beat--AR throw horrible ball..

Then next play to Adams to sideline, 6 yards

2nd and 4 Then they go back to similar play AR led Cobb to much, (slant type play) Cobb gets 7 yards

2 min warning, same type of pass to

Just this small sample size, we had slant passes done (which people claim havent been being done) we had AR horrible pass (incompl) should have been a punt but we got lucky..

This is why I and others are trying to say it isnt play calling...AR and Wr are having issues

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

what

Interesting observation.

 

[Carl]

I believe there are multiple reasons for the WRs and failure to get open and things of that nature. It is true that when watching closely, I suspect more teams as other posters have stated are probably going to let their corners get up closer more frequently and directly challenge our receivers to get open more often, perhaps taking away those easy slant/seam routes and other of those plays that were kinda just an afterthought in years past. I suspect in the remaining weeks and even heading into the offseason, we may need to change some things up to get a better production against tight man coverage. May involve changing a few routes up a little, but I suspect MM will do this in anticipation of seeing that coverage.

It did strike me a little odd though that somehow they seemed to find a way to spring RR free a few times out there against it, and even Devante Adams on that TD catch they seemed to be able to run a bit of a cross pattern or at least a decoy play in there to get the man off him a little. Also saw an out route with Cobb work to beat it on that quick throw late in the game. I think some of us are simply questioning why these appear to be invisible early on in games. Though it's possible Detroit also switched up their coverage to a bad one or after that one PI penalty on Diggs, backed em off a little.

It is crazy how a team can go from just looking totally unprepared and totally beaten in every facet of the game and looking like they had no preparation or discipline at all, to making a raging desperate comeback like that to win out in dramatic fashion unlike anything I've seen in a long time. Who knows though, even though I don't see the end to our offensive struggles just yet for the season, hopefully the film of this game will reveal some of those answers MM has said he's looked for.

On the plays when Rodgers has a lot of time and nobody is open though, the called routes have already been ran and then it's just about finding a way to get open.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Yeah fair enough, but still also fair to look at what they were doing to spring Richard Rodgers free when everyone all year has been talking about his lack of speed and slow step. Gotta think something apparently works to beat the man to man press coverage out there.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

As far as I know he is only the running backs coach, hardly in a position the to change the offensive plays

He is the WR coach now..

my question was to someone complaining that Edgar wasnt doing his job right..He couldnt give me his responsibilities

Bennett is the Packers offensive coordinator. Van Pelt is coaching quarterbacks and receivers.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Bennett is the Packers offensive coordinator. Van Pelt is coaching quarterbacks and receivers.

Yup, this seems to explain the situation pretty good.

From another thread but fits well here

http://www.packersnews.com/story/sp...06/packers-offense-still-needs-help/76833196/

 

[Packerlifer]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/po...play-calling-influence-i-need-to-shut-up-more

 

[yooperpackfan]

So who was talking to the QB while MM was getting his plays ready to call?
Whoever it was, get him back.
Was it McAdoo?

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Well, looks like MM finally decided he had enough of the goofy setup and has decided to resume callin plays in Rodgers's helmet starting today.

 

[Croak]

Let's hope it helps.

 

[Wynnebeck]

Let's hope it helps.

It won't. MM calling plays again isn't going to magically make the Packers play better like some people in here would like to think.

 

[Shawnsta3]

So instead of Tom Clements calling Mike McCarthy's plays, Mike McCarthy will be calling Mike McCarthy's plays. Got it.

 

[TJV]

So instead of Tom Clements calling Mike McCarthy's plays, Mike McCarthy will be calling Mike McCarthy's plays. Got it.

There's more to it than that. On one of the Mike McCarthy shows I remember him being asked about what his schedule was like on Friday or Saturday (I don't remember which) before a Sunday game and he said a large part of what previously took up his time was now being done by Clements. We don't know how much McCarthy was involved in game planning all week, but he had to have been involved less than in the past (because of time spent on D and STs). Also, IMO there is an art involved with in-game play calling; it involves establishing a rhythm and setting up plays. If the report is true, good for McCarthy for trying something different.