Official GB vs Bills studs n duds

[Dantés]

Blake Martinez, who had a rough start to the year, played really well yesterday. Hopefully the bumpy start is a result of getting comfortable in a new scheme and this was him getting there. Time will tell. But it was a strong game for him. Perhaps the game plan played more into his strengths as well.

The rookie corners are just great. I know they give up some plays here and there, but for two rookies to come in and play as well as they have is really impressive.

I loved the DL yesterday. That look with Clark and/or Daniels lining up at the 7 is a lot of fun. Daniels darn near used Dion Dawkins as a weapon to knock that QB down.

Unfortunately, Hulu Live didn't carry the game so I couldn't rewatch it and follow Fackrell and see what was going on to produce that final box score.

 

[gopkrs]

Allison is so far my biggest surprise on offense this season. I think he has really stepped his game up and bow to the powers who be that saw this was possible and Jordy was expendable because of it. I do think having Adams, Graham and Cobb distracting the defense has benefited Allison, but just in a bubble, Allison looks like he could be a keeper!

I hope I quoted this right. But my response is that I don't think you knew what you were looking at with Geronimo. Peer pressure???


Mod edit: I fixed your quote to what I think you were attempting--Poppa

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Blake Martinez, who had a rough start to the year, played really well yesterday. Hopefully the bumpy start is a result of getting comfortable in a new scheme and this was him getting there. Time will tell. But it was a strong game for him. Perhaps the game plan played more into his strengths as well.

The rookie corners are just great. I know they give up some plays here and there, but for two rookies to come in and play as well as they have is really impressive.

I loved the DL yesterday. That look with Clark and/or Daniels lining up at the 7 is a lot of fun. Daniels darn near used Dion Dawkins as a weapon to knock that QB down.

Unfortunately, Hulu Live didn't carry the game so I couldn't rewatch it and follow Fackrell and see what was going on to produce that final box score.

Agreed with all of this. Fackerell actually looked "stronger" yesterday than I have ever seen him. While he is no Mack, he was able to get penetration. You alluded to it with our corners, I think ultimately, they influenced a lot of the game. Rookie QB was hesitant to fit tight passes in for fear of making a mistake and it allowed our front to collapse the pocket and guys like Fackrell benefited from it.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I hope I quoted this right. But my response is that I don't think you knew what you were looking at with Geronimo. Peer pressure???

Peer pressure? LOL....not sure what you mean. I state my opinion for whatever its worth and not really too worried about others....although I value others input.

Perhaps I didn't know what I was looking at with GMO, since I don't attend practices and break down game film. I was relying more on the fact that GMO was an UDFA, who played ok the last 2 years when on the field, but nothing spectacular. I also was basing that opinion on history and all the guys like Allison who have come through Green Bay with Favre and Rodgers at QB......and been pretty pedestrian when they have been asked to step up their game.

 

[mongoosev]

Studs: In a 22-0 win, I give the entire team a stud. Even though the offense could have done better it was still a 22 point shutout.

Duds: the usual shoutbox suspects whining about us not being very good in the process of a 22 point shutout.

imagine what is going to happen when we play better teams and lose? heads are going to explode! I gurannnnteeee!

 

[mongoosev]

dud: rodgers. wonder if he was just practicing on the field or he was just off his rockers.
stud: martinez taking off his helmet. that was funny! bonehead move but good he "voiced his opinion." funny when the announcers said he had to take off his helmet to shout? ahhahahaa too funny!

 

[MadCat]

He basically said the offense sucked and they need to play better. He also
Mentioned they probably should’ve scored 40 points. Same thing I said

I know! That was my point. My entire post was supposed to be sarcasm, but it looks like I failed.

 

[Dantés]

Lance Kendricks is a dud.

I've also been really disappointed with Nick Perry's production this season.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Allison is so far my biggest surprise on offense this season. I think he has really stepped his game up and bow to the powers who be that saw this was possible and Jordy was expendable because of it. I do think having Adams, Graham and Cobb distracting the defense has benefited Allison, but just in a bubble, Allison looks like he could be a keeper!

My biggest concern with Allison has been his physicality, ability to run inside routes. Initially, that was a concern with his ability to run those routes and make enough catches in the danger zone to keep corners honest. He had to show he could at least make the slant catch and go to the ground before getting clocked.

There's an awareness factor involved in making those kinds of catches while avoiding compromising situations combined with physicality or at least durability that Adams, for instance, has a knack for in running those money slants. Allison had been showing a bit of that in the early going with a drop or two mixed in.

Then we get to the 3rd. quarter of this game. Allison has the ball bounce off his chest, he turns to try to recover it, and gets clocked and knocked out of the game.

So far in his short career with limited action until this season he's experienced serial knockouts in the middle of the field. Is that simply a string of bad luck? Time will tell but there is reason to think otherwise.

 

[rodell330]

I know! That was my point. My entire post was supposed to be sarcasm, but it looks like I failed.

I was agreeing. I understood exactly with what you were doing.

 

[Mondio]

Lance Kendricks is a dud.

I've also been really disappointed with Nick Perry's production this season.

I'm surprised at Kendricks and what a dud he's been going all the way back to last year. I expected a lot more from him.

and they didn't draft Jackson to play safety. Corner is a far more valuable position and He and Alexander have given zero indications they should be moved there. Let the young guns hone their craft at corner. it's where they're going to be for a long time.

 

[HardRightEdge]

I went to the replay to look at a number of plays of interest. Clark kept popping off the screen. He had a really good game.

 

[swhitset]

My biggest concern with Allison has been his physicality, ability to run inside routes. Initially, that was a concern with his ability to run those routes and make enough catches in the danger zone to keep corners honest. He had to show he could at least make the slant catch and go the ground before getting clocked.

There's an awareness factor involved in making the catch while avoiding compromising situations combined with physicality or at least durability that Adams, for instance, has a knack for in running those money slants. Allison had been showing a bit of that in the early going with a drop or two mixed in.

Then we get to the 3rd. quarter of this game. Allison has the ball bounce off his chest, he turns to try to recover it, and gets clocked and knocked out of the game.

So far in his short career with limited action until this season he's experienced serial knockouts in the middle of the field. Is that simply a string of bad luck? Time will tell but there is reason to think otherwise.

When I watched that play live... the first thing I said to myself is that he got drilled and dropped the ball because he let fear take over. He ran the route sat down and watched the ball until just before it hit his hands in perfect position. Then at the last second as the ball went through his hands he looks away and started to run... clearly anticipating a big hit. Of course the ball ended up hitting his body and he had to stop and try and relocate it. That extra time is all it took for the D Back to blow him up.

 

[mradtke66]

Oh you mean like how Randall never played corner ...but was drafted in the first rd and converted to corner? And is now the starting FS for the Browns? Even tho he was a three year starter at FS in College but played 4 years as a corner here? But ok, position changes never happen in Green Bay. You guys crack me up haha

While they probably should have tried Randall at FS, as his play with the Browns proves, the college scheme he came from (Arizona State) makes the projection trickier.

Yes, he was the FS. However, they played a LOT of cover-0 and left the FS on a island to play man to man. It is not a stretch to assume he could be an NFL corner, as he already checked a lot of the boxes you're looking for in a CB.

Arizona State also has the habit of featuring the FS, so they will move their best DB to FS. The scheme tends to flow through that position, so just make your best guy the FS. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Mondio]

The only thing that prevented Randall from being a really good corner for us was his attitude and injury one year. Unlike Alexander, who I think thinks he's better than everyone else, Randall also thought he knew more than anyone else too. Including teammates and coaches. His inability to take coaching or play disciplined are what made him expendable and less a player for us. His guidelines won't be as rigid at FS, so he'll probably do better. He'll also do what he thinks over anyone else at times too. I just hope it's critical ones and they get burned for it, them being the Browns and all.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Somebody really dislikes me talking about durability issues. That's never an issue in the NFL, right?

Who knows? The Shadow knows. LOL

 

[gopkrs]

Peer pressure? LOL....not sure what you mean. I state my opinion for whatever its worth and not really too worried about others....although I value others input.

Perhaps I didn't know what I was looking at with GMO, since I don't attend practices and break down game film. I was relying more on the fact that GMO was an UDFA, who played ok the last 2 years when on the field, but nothing spectacular. I also was basing that opinion on history and all the guys like Allison who have come through Green Bay with Favre and Rodgers at QB......and been pretty pedestrian when they have been asked to step up their game.

You didn't see it. And a lot of people just jumped on the bandwagon. You did not have to be at practice either. Obviously stats weren't good as he played infrequently. He still has more potential. I compare him to a combination Driver/Alvin Harper.

 

[sschind]

They need to get ahead of this. These players need to be fined, and starting now. This isn't soccer or Hollywood. I know it won't be, but I hope it's addressed this offseason. 2 weeks, 2 flopping quarterbacks. There were probably others. 15yard penalties and fines donated to prepay for their after career acting classes. For now, they need to remain football players.

as long as the refs recognize it and don't call the guy making the little shove I see no need to penalize the QB.

 

[Mondio]

as long as the refs recognize it and don't call the guy making the little shove I see no need to penalize the QB.

Well I do dammit and don’t limit it to QBs, any body caught acting on the field is fair game

If I want to see acting I’ll go to the theater.

 

[HardRightEdge]

When I watched that play live... the first thing I said to myself is that he got drilled and dropped the ball because he let fear take over. He ran the route sat down and watched the ball until just before it hit his hands in perfect position. Then at the last second as the ball went through his hands he looks away and started to run... clearly anticipating a big hit. Of course the ball ended up hitting his body and he had to stop and try and relocate it. That extra time is all it took for the D Back to blow him up.

I wish I could show it to you, but the first thing that happened is it bounced off his chest with the defender still a couple of yards away but closing fast. Is that skittishness in the danger zone? After that he reached to recover the ball bouncing slightly toward the defender. He wasn't looking away and starting to run. If anything, Rodgers led him slightly back into the middle toward the defender. That happens sometimes, throwing on the run into a gap between multiple defenders.

It was bang bang when viewed in real time. He was going to get clocked even if he caught it initially. But if he had caught it initially instead of reaching for the boucce he might have saved himself.

 

[AmishMafia]

Well I do dammit and don’t limit it to QBs, any body caught acting on the field is fair game

If I want to see acting I’ll go to the theater.

Why do I think Clay Matthew's will get several flags per game if that kind of rule is enacted?

Oh, wait, I know. It's the poor acting in his commercials.

 

[gopkrs]

I'm not sure if I am agreeing or disagreeing with anyone but all I saw was that Geronimo took his eyes off the ball at the last second and that cost him the ball and the hit. I hope he can play next week. And I still say his build is not right for going over the middle shallow. But that one was not that shallow.

 

[swhitset]

I wish I could show it to you, but the first thing that happened is it bounced off his chest with the defender still a couple of yards away but closing fast. Is that skittishness in the danger zone? After that he reached to recover the ball bouncing slightly toward the defender. He wasn't looking away and starting to run. If anything, Rodgers led him slightly back into the middle toward the defender. That happens sometimes, throwing on the run into a gap between multiple defenders.

It was bang bang when viewed in real time. He was going to get clocked even if he caught it initially. But if he had caught done than instead of reaching for the boucce he might have saved himself.

I think we are basically in agreement.

 

[Mondio]

Why do I think Clay Matthew's will get several flags per game if that kind of rule is enacted?

Oh, wait, I know. It's the poor acting in his commercials.

But that’s ok, go act all you want on a soundstage or theater, just keep it off the football field please

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I've also been really disappointed with Nick Perry's production this season.

What production? Doesn't there have to be production to talk about it?