No More Calling Rodgers A Diva, It's Silly

[easyk83]

Maybe if he had've thrown a few more interceptions we would be in a better position to make the playoffs

In 2010 he threw 28 tuddys to 10 interceptions. Personally Id be thrilled with a 3 to 1 TD to int stat line. His current numbers suggest indecision to me. Also his preferred style of play is insanely taxing. Hold the ball, avoid the rush for an unusual amount of time and only fire at downfield routes, low percentage plays off kilter and off balance using only his army half the time. A more modest offensive approach would lead to more consistency, better ToP and he'd get hit a lot less. It's not that Rodgers is suddenly not a great quarterback, its that his approach is fundamentally flawed.

BTW Id take Emmett Smith over Barry Sanders every day of the week. Smith was relentlessly moving forward picking up yards first downs and tuddys while Sanders might handicap multiple drives with bad runs just to create that highlight play. Both played behind pro bowlers and both at times had top ten defenses but only one of the two won superbowls.

Get Rodgers away from the Jeff George style of play that he's been working with and more into an evolved WCO offense that works the whole field instead of just the deep stuff and I guarantee that our offense and even our defense will look better.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

the only reason there is still a debate on creativity is because people just keep beating the only drum they know. I'm fine moving on from MM, they're headed in the wrong direction, the fact that they always find someway every game to lose is my reason. Play calling is not. I think play calling is too easy. for example 3rd and 4th and short, we've ran about every play imaginable and failed. Can't run on 3rd and 2, and i've seen Rodgers miss more than 1 or 2 easy, wide open quick hitting, just put the ball int he receivers hands passes for that 2 yards as well. Just as i've seen him hit and miss deep.

Everyone says, we need to run this, we need to scheme that. We need some new personnel and we need our QB to play to an acceptable level. We're not asking for perfection, this isn't 2015. People are pissed because we ran it into the line against the Vikings and couldn't get 3 inches. Fine call another play, but if you can't get 3 inches, you're not that good. Period. The Pats tried running outside on them last night in the same situation, guess what? They didn't get it either. But everyone here thinks McDaniels is a ***** ******* genius and MM is a moron. Or yesterday in our own game. Misdirection and naked boot with Graham coming out with Rodgers, but the guy on the end of the defense didn't play it like Clay Matthews or Reggie Gilbert and come crashing down on the misdirection and played it perfectly. Everyone in the shoutbox is railing the play call again, when it's the exact type play they've been calling for all year. People don't seem to realize that scheme only works when the defense gets fooled. When they don't, your'e out there with your *** in the breeze.

or the previous week, Receivers bunched, run a shallow easy route for a first down, and Rodgers throws it in the dirt. Followed up by overthrowing a wide open Devante Adams for a TD. Those were just his last 2 passes in that game. Whoever the coach is, he needs a couple better players and to get this team to just do their jobs. I think blaming the coach and the plays is easier than accepting this team has not played well and our normally accurate QB has not been, he's not been smart at times, we need a couple positions on the offensive line and we seem to have 1 pass catcher that is reliable on offense. It's going to be another tough offseason to try and fill those voids. It's a lot.

I'm not going to talk about scheme (which took three too many years to modernize); I'm just going to point out that the Packers offense, with the talent they have, is SERIOUSLY under performing. Rodgers has not played well by his standards but he has played well by 25 other teams' standards. Though they were three years too late, the front office finally decided that the head coach needs to be held responsible for players not performing as well as they should.

 

[Stanger37]

Here is my problem with Rodgers and maybe it is just the slowly deteriorating relationship with McCarthy over the last 4 years. HE knows where he should be throwing the ball, HE knows the route the WR should be running. But it a huge eyeroll and look to the sideline like "Why don't you coach him better?" I wish he would LEAD better. Yell at a guy. Swear at him. Don't roll your eyes. NOW...I am saying this from someone that watches on TV and not involved with practices so maybe Rodgers is doing what he can with them and it ultimately is a coaching issue. Rodgers is a special talent but that doesn't equate to being a leader. Jeff Saturday this morning surprised me when he brought up the lack of respect in huddles when he was getting play calls.

I look at the last 5 losses. They have held the lead into late 2nd half and lost every game. The run game is abandoned and Rodgers is throwing the ball 45+ times a game and Jones is rushing 11 times a game. That is mindboggling to me. Is it Rodgers checking out of the run? I don't know. But when there is a near 90% chance that it is going to be a passing play, the defense can just sit on it. There is no balance. What is remarkable is that he only have 1 INT that was deflected twice.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I am a huge Rodgers fan and think some of the criticism of him is over the top - needing to check down all the time or holding the ball too long (both have times where it is true but it is the blame everytime). However he is a bit of a diva. He plays with a big chip on his shoulder and expects others to perform at a high standard and when they don't he calls them on it. He shoulders blame but not to the extent I would like. He obviously feels like he has earned a say in personnel decisions which can come over diva-ish as well

The thought of moving on from him is crazy to me. He has shown in a few games what he is capable of but he just hasn't been consistent. That is on him. He also needs more talent. To the person trying to act like Jimmy Graham and Randall Cobb are talent you are right - in 2015 - not today. Simply put they are average players. Adams is a beast and Jones a solid but we don't stick with the run anyway. They need more talent.

There is a debate amongst many on the creativity of this offense. I am one who thinks it is time for a change. We will see what the direction the team goes in but Rodgers obviously has a different vision for the offense than McCarthy

Fans have a strange definition of diva. Any normal person would get seriously ticked it they were far better at their job than their boss and had to put up with their boss being in charge despite obviously not doing a great job. However, when that employee is a pro athlete, they suddenly become a diva. Now, there are divas in the NFL (Ochocinco and Owens come to mind) but I don't think that label should really apply as often as we tend to use it. Fans constantly want players to care but when they express emotion or annoyance it's suddenly bad?

 

[shockerx]

If you watch last night, big ben and rivers, they used the whole field, both threw into tight windows over the middle. yes their TD ratio is not like Rodgers but they will take some chances...and spread the ball around, you must defend entire field. I think Rodgers is so fearful of the pick he will not look over the middle. factors like his young WR and OL play a big part. I think fix the OL and give the young WR another year. Its many things that make the O look bad, most are fixable this off season.

 

[elcid]

Fans have a strange definition of diva. Any normal person would get seriously ticked it they were far better at their job than their boss and had to put up with their boss being in charge despite obviously not doing a great job. However, when that employee is a pro athlete, they suddenly become a diva. Now, there are divas in the NFL (Ochocinco and Owens come to mind) but I don't think that label should really apply as often as we tend to use it. Fans constantly want players to care but when they express emotion or annoyance it's suddenly bad?

Its not the fact that he is better than his boss. If Aarod truly is the once in a lifetime talent, he should also acknowledge that even he makes mistakes and it is extremely likely that all his teammates and coaches are not as exceptional in their craft as he is himself. That means, if matches don't pan out, don't deflect blame. He should be more mature. That is asked of the QB position. I have to give him credit the last weeks for taking part of the blame upon himself, I've never seen him do that before. Let's see if next season we can see a true and inspirational leader on the field, whether we are winning or are losing.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

If you watch last night, big ben and rivers, they used the whole field, both threw into tight windows over the middle. yes their TD ratio is not like Rodgers but they will take some chances...and spread the ball around, you must defend entire field. I think Rodgers is so fearful of the pick he will not look over the middle. factors like his young WR and OL play a big part. I think fix the OL and give the young WR another year. Its many things that make the O look bad, most are fixable this off season.

I think there's a difference between trusting established vets to win a jump ball or contested catch vs trying to trust 4th round rookies to win the contested catch.

Also, fun stat I just heard from ESPN, Packers have more passing yards lost due to dropped passes than any other team in the NFL.

 

[XPack]

3. Our now recently fired HC was calling run plays on 3rd and long and purposely sabotaging him.

It's his own job he was sabotaging, huh?

 

[Quientus]

Fans have a strange definition of diva. Any normal person would get seriously ticked it they were far better at their job than their boss and had to put up with their boss being in charge despite obviously not doing a great job. However, when that employee is a pro athlete, they suddenly become a diva. Now, there are divas in the NFL (Ochocinco and Owens come to mind) but I don't think that label should really apply as often as we tend to use it. Fans constantly want players to care but when they express emotion or annoyance it's suddenly bad?

It's not the "job" of a leader to be better at a given job than those he/she leads ... - If that is your criteria for a leadership you don't know what leadership is ... - However a leader needs to lead his/her team(s) all the time, not just when it goes well ... - It is through adversity that "real leaders" shine and bad leaders fall through ...

Some times when my friends and I watch the Pack play, we ask ourselves if Aaron's stats has gone into his head too much ? ... He rarely takes chances ... and most of the time instead of taking a sure first down, he wants to extend the play to go deep, but end up throwing the ball away or taking the sack ... - which ofcourse doesn't count against him stat-wise, like and int or short yardage would ... I am not sayin this is the case, however, seeing the Pack play like they have, it wasn't all on McLardy ...

 

[bigbubbatd]

I think there's a difference between trusting established vets to win a jump ball or contested catch vs trying to trust 4th round rookies to win the contested catch.

Also, fun stat I just heard from ESPN, Packers have more passing yards lost due to dropped passes than any other team in the NFL.

Rodgers could take a few more chances. Are there stats that show he does t throw the ball into coverage as much? Also who do they have that are over the middle threats? I can think of a few times they went to Graham over the middle and he did not make the play and where brown ran the wrong route. When Rodgers had nelson Jennings etc he had no fear of the middle. There are times it is wise to not throw over the middle

This article also talks about how the Packers have not used different techniques to create separation for their receivers.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...estions-packers-firing-mike-mccarthy-2018-nfl

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

You will find no bigger fan of Aaron Rodgers than me, I can assure you.

That being said, he isn't playing up to his standards for much of the season. Now a lot of it early on could be explained by the knee injury that limited his mobility to the point that he couldn't be effective in the manner that he's accustomed to being effective. But he worked through that, and now here we are and he's still missing some throws that he normally makes.

So Rodgers deserves some blame, no question about it.

But he is not the biggest problem with the Green Bay Packers. Not by a long shot.

What we can hope for at this point is that we find either a head coach or an offensive coordinator that energizes him elevate his play to a point in which we've seen it many times over the years.

The scheme isn't doing him or the offense any favors. It's outdated and ran its course. There is a change that is needed for the Packers to return to relevance.

Like I've said repeatedly, relying upon Aaron Rodgers to be all time great every time he laces 'em up isn't going to get us to the promised land. He needs support, from the talent around him, to the scheme, to game management, etc. All of which can be improved. And hopefully, his play improves as well.

The issue is a player not playing up to an elite level of play does not equate to diva/prima Donna/ whatever his idiot detractors are putting out on him.

But yes for the record I am in agreement with your post.

 

[Title Town USA]

I'll tell you, sure seems like Rodgers was taking shots right and left from the national media all over the place today. Rodgers did not get his HC fired, his HC nailed his own coffin shut. Furthermore, Rodgers was one of the few players trying to win or giving us a chance to win out there with his efforts. Sick and tired of people denying or ignoring this, or advocating we move on from Rodgers. Ridiculous and stupid ideas.

Good luck with this. According to posters here, we lost because of Aaron Rodger's "body language"...Maybe if he had sat up straighter on the bench they would have won yesterday...

 

[Firethorn1001]

People just want everything to be too tidy.

"I want McCarthy fired, but only if it is after the season. If it is during the season, it might look bad on the Packers. I also want the players to be emotional and look like they care, but I want them to be the right emotional because if it is look I don't agree with then it looks bad on the Packers. I want the Packers to look better the next 4 weeks, but not that much better because then that looks like they were trying to get McCarthy fired the last 12 weeks and that looks bad on the Packers"

Rodgers is not having fun right now. The team is 4-7-1. Only so much of a brave face that someone can put on when everything is spiraling this season and the cracks have been mounting.

Now.. new coach and his body language continues... well.. then that is truly on him.

 

[Patriotplayer90]

Packers fans are clueless. You'd think they would learn something each time that Rodgers goes down. McCarthy is just bad.

 

[Title Town USA]

Well, you had better get ready for the end, then, because it's coming. He is 35 years old and clearly not getting better at this point in his career.

I disagree. It is safe to assume Rodgers and the entire offense will be better next season than this season.

 

[Title Town USA]

Here's the thing...

Everyone has a right to their opinion, and if they believe Rodgers is a diva or want to call him a diva, it's not your place or right to tell them not to. No one is forcing you to believe it, you are entitled to your own perspective and everyone else is entitled to theirs just as much as you.

The fact that it bothered/bothers you enough to post a long-winded message asking, no, demanding that people stop, is really quite odd.

So people have the right to call Rodgers a diva, but other people don't have the right to post a message in disagreement. Odd way of thinking you have their Mr. body language expert.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

I disagree. It is safe to assume Rodgers and the entire offense will be better next season than this season.

Not to mention I give Rodgers at least 4 more years left before he retires assuming the OL gets fixed.

 

[Half Empty]

I disagree. It is safe to assume Rodgers and the entire offense will be better next season than this season.

That has to be one of the safest calls yet.

 

[Title Town USA]

That has to be one of the safest calls yet.

As you can see, not everyone here feels that way. That’s why I had to say what should be obvious, but isn’t for some here.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

They're fake fans who want stinkos like Hundley running this offense apparently

 

[sschind]

I'll tell you, sure seems like Rodgers was taking shots right and left from the national media all over the place today. Rodgers did not get his HC fired, his HC nailed his own coffin shut. Furthermore, Rodgers was one of the few players trying to win or giving us a chance to win out there with his efforts. Sick and tired of people denying or ignoring this, or advocating we move on from Rodgers. Ridiculous and stupid ideas.

I'm going to shoot a hole in the blame Rodgers stuff with three irrefutable facts

1. Offensive line is garbage and getting pushed around like a turnstile. It wasn't just Rodgers getting pressured, Jones was getting swarmed on.

**** with those PFF stats on them. They are fake. Fake bs stats that cover up our garbage OL that must be fixed pronto.

2. He needed to take those deep shots today cuz nobody was doing a damn thing in breaking tackles, making routine catches, or on special teams returns getting any good fp.

3. Our now recently fired HC was calling run plays on 3rd and long and purposely sabotaging him.

All Rodgers haters take that and eat it!

I know #3 is true because I have never ever seen another coach call a run on a third and long.

 

[rmontro]

There's a story today that Mark Chmura is saying Rodgers looks like a prima donna.
Reminded me of this thread.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...-like-prima-donna-after-mike-mccarthy-firing/

 

[swhitset]

There's a story today that Mark Chmura is saying Rodgers looks like a prima donna.
Reminded me of this thread.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...-like-prima-donna-after-mike-mccarthy-firing/

I heard Chmura’s comments today... they were not complimentary.

 

[Half Empty]

That has to be one of the safest calls yet.

So, now you Disagree that I Agree with you?

 

[Title Town USA]

So, now you Disagree that I Agree with you?

Fixed it for you. Hope that green check mark makes your day a better one!!!