No More Calling Rodgers A Diva, It's Silly

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Huh? Jimmy Graham is clearly not in his prime anymore, but they went out and invested big in a big redzone target for Rodgers. They invested in Cobb to let Rodgers keep as many of his weapons as possible. They have one of the top #1 receivers in the game in Adams, one of the league's best centers and a bookend left tackle protecting his blind side.

Jones is one of the most efficient running backs in the NFL and a weapon in open space.

Personnel-wise, there are plenty of teams doing more with less. These are not the 2000 Rams offensively, but they sure aren't Favre's 2005 offense, either.

When Rodgers is at his best, he is still one of the best but those moments are few and far between this year. Again, if you can't recognize that he is part of the problem this year, if you're actually claiming he is not even a little part of the problem with the offense, than you're clearly blinded by bias and not going to be convinced otherwise.

And you're vastly overinflating the level of talent on this offense.

 

[adambr2]

And you're vastly overinflating the level of talent on this offense.

I literally explained in every way why I felt you were understating the talent level -- high end #1 receiver, check, bookend franchise left tackle, check, etc. etc.

Your response, no logic, no explanation just, "Nope, wrong." That's become a recurring theme with many of your arguments. People would respect your viewpoints a lot more if you'd back them up with logic and reason and not just basically tell everyone that they are wrong and you watch the games -- we all watch the Packers.

Again, I didn't say this was the most talented Packer offense ever, but let's not act like Rodgers is just trying to make a go of it with starters that wouldn't even make the roster elsewhere.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Now that McCarthy is gone I'd like to see Rodgers traded for a boat load of draft picks and we can start over.

We've been over this extensively elsewhere. Rodgers can't be traded because it would result in $46 million in dead cap if done before the roster/workout bonuses come due, $57 mil. if done after.

You'd have no capital to start over. In fact, you'd have to cut some guys you might not want to cut to get under the cap by the start of next season without being able to sign any free agents.

 

[longtimefan]

@PackerfaninCarolina where are the Diva posts?

 

[Ogsponge]

@PackerfaninCarolina where are the Diva posts?

I don’t want to find my posts but I have said multiple times he is becoming a bit of a diva

 

[RRyder]

Rodgers is perfect and can do no wrong

Shortened that for you

 

[adambr2]

We've been over this extensively elsewhere. Rodgers can't be traded because it would result in $46 million in dead cap if done before the roster/workout bonuses come due, $57 mil. if done after.

You'd have no capital to start over. In fact, you'd have to cut some guys you might not want to cut to get under the cap by the start of next season without being able to sign any free agents.

Theoretically, you could pull it off. I'm speaking in hypotheticals because it will never happen, but guys like Perry and Graham who wouldn't be around post-rebuild could be cut, you could accelerate all that dead money into one season, do nothing in free agency, roll with Kizer for a year, and with the picks and extra money freed up after 2019 be pretty well set up financially for 2020 and beyond. Won't happen, but just talking in theory.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Theoretically, you could pull it off. I'm speaking in hypotheticals because it will never happen, but guys like Perry and Graham who wouldn't be around post-rebuild could be cut, you could accelerate all that dead money into one season, do nothing in free agency, roll with Kizer for a year, and with the picks and extra money freed up after 2019 be pretty well set up financially for 2020 and beyond. Won't happen, but just talking in theory.

What a bullsh1t idea and a perfect example of why you are not running things in our front office and will never become a GM.

 

[Ogsponge]

What a bullsh1t idea and a perfect example of why you are not running things in our front office and will never become a GM.

Um it was hypothetical, not a good idea?

 

[adambr2]

What a bullsh1t idea and a perfect example of why you are not running things in our front office and will never become a GM.

Give reading a try next time, it was a hypothetical scenario based on how payroll could be managed next year if Rodgers was traded, not an actual suggested course of action.

I like how you make sure to tell me that I'm never going to be GM though, like you are or something.

 

[swhitset]

What a bullsh1t idea and a perfect example of why you are not running things in our front office and will never become a GM.

You have got to be one of the most reactionary people I’ve ever observed. I wonder what your average resting blood pressure is....

 

[adambr2]

You have got to be one of the most reactionary people I’ve ever observed. I wonder what your average resting blood pressure is....

Still no logic and reason to be found, just angry lashing out, venting and cussing.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

@PackerfaninCarolina where are the Diva posts?

https://www.packerforum.com/search/6220071/?q=Diva&o=date

Now if you want me to go post every link to all the recent posts in that search outside this thread where that turned up, well could take a little while. But they are there.

 

[longtimefan]

https://www.packerforum.com/search/6220071/?q=Diva&o=date

Now if you want me to go post every link to all the recent posts in that search outside this thread where that turned up, well could take a little while. But they are there.

Wasn't doubting.. I just really haven't seen the2, but I haven't read every post.

People can say what they want.. We can't really stop them..

Ifs it's a bother than ignore them?

 

[adambr2]

https://www.packerforum.com/search/6220071/?q=Diva&o=date

Now if you want me to go post every link to all the recent posts in that search outside this thread where that turned up, well could take a little while. But they are there.

Here's the thing...

Everyone has a right to their opinion, and if they believe Rodgers is a diva or want to call him a diva, it's not your place or right to tell them not to. No one is forcing you to believe it, you are entitled to your own perspective and everyone else is entitled to theirs just as much as you.

The fact that it bothered/bothers you enough to post a long-winded message asking, no, demanding that people stop, is really quite odd.

 

[longtimefan]

Maybe 2 in 1st few pages? Most were re quotes of one post.

Other pages were calling other players divas.

Maybe there are more but you are acting like he is called Diva in 30 percent of our posts.

Sorry but this is a non issue and more of your pet peeve.

Spend some time and energy on other things

 

[longtimefan]

Some are annoyed when posters can't call a player by his name..

We had a guy call Rodgers Erin. MM mcbubbles or what ever.

Sometimes they go over board and we say something.

But mostly you have to just let it go.

 

[Forget Favre]

I'll tell you, sure seems like Rodgers was taking shots right and left from the national media all over the place today. Rodgers did not get his HC fired, his HC nailed his own coffin shut. Furthermore, Rodgers was one of the few players trying to win or giving us a chance to win out there with his efforts. Sick and tired of people denying or ignoring this, or advocating we move on from Rodgers. Ridiculous and stupid ideas.

I'm going to shoot a hole in the blame Rodgers stuff with three irrefutable facts

1. Offensive line is garbage and getting pushed around like a turnstile. It wasn't just Rodgers getting pressured, Jones was getting swarmed on.

**** with those PFF stats on them. They are fake. Fake bs stats that cover up our garbage OL that must be fixed pronto.

2. He needed to take those deep shots today cuz nobody was doing a damn thing in breaking tackles, making routine catches, or on special teams returns getting any good fp.

3. Our now recently fired HC was calling run plays on 3rd and long and purposely sabotaging him.

All Rodgers haters take that and eat it!

OK
I never did and from seeing this I won't.
Instead I'll call him a Devil because his playing is shot to Hell.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

OK
I never did and from seeing this I won't.
Instead I'll call him a Devil because his playing is shot to Hell.

RIDICULOUS!

 

[Curly Calhoun]

That is the dumbest idea yet

It's definitely in the running.....

 

[bigbubbatd]

I am a huge Rodgers fan and think some of the criticism of him is over the top - needing to check down all the time or holding the ball too long (both have times where it is true but it is the blame everytime). However he is a bit of a diva. He plays with a big chip on his shoulder and expects others to perform at a high standard and when they don't he calls them on it. He shoulders blame but not to the extent I would like. He obviously feels like he has earned a say in personnel decisions which can come over diva-ish as well

The thought of moving on from him is crazy to me. He has shown in a few games what he is capable of but he just hasn't been consistent. That is on him. He also needs more talent. To the person trying to act like Jimmy Graham and Randall Cobb are talent you are right - in 2015 - not today. Simply put they are average players. Adams is a beast and Jones a solid but we don't stick with the run anyway. They need more talent.

There is a debate amongst many on the creativity of this offense. I am one who thinks it is time for a change. We will see what the direction the team goes in but Rodgers obviously has a different vision for the offense than McCarthy

 

[Forget Favre]

RIDICULOUS!

Diva, devil to some they are both one and the same.

 

[Mondio]

I am a huge Rodgers fan and think some of the criticism of him is over the top - needing to check down all the time or holding the ball too long (both have times where it is true but it is the blame everytime). However he is a bit of a diva. He plays with a big chip on his shoulder and expects others to perform at a high standard and when they don't he calls them on it. He shoulders blame but not to the extent I would like. He obviously feels like he has earned a say in personnel decisions which can come over diva-ish as well

The thought of moving on from him is crazy to me. He has shown in a few games what he is capable of but he just hasn't been consistent. That is on him. He also needs more talent. To the person trying to act like Jimmy Graham and Randall Cobb are talent you are right - in 2015 - not today. Simply put they are average players. Adams is a beast and Jones a solid but we don't stick with the run anyway. They need more talent.

There is a debate amongst many on the creativity of this offense. I am one who thinks it is time for a change. We will see what the direction the team goes in but Rodgers obviously has a different vision for the offense than McCarthy

the only reason there is still a debate on creativity is because people just keep beating the only drum they know. I'm fine moving on from MM, they're headed in the wrong direction, the fact that they always find someway every game to lose is my reason. Play calling is not. I think play calling is too easy. for example 3rd and 4th and short, we've ran about every play imaginable and failed. Can't run on 3rd and 2, and i've seen Rodgers miss more than 1 or 2 easy, wide open quick hitting, just put the ball int he receivers hands passes for that 2 yards as well. Just as i've seen him hit and miss deep.

Everyone says, we need to run this, we need to scheme that. We need some new personnel and we need our QB to play to an acceptable level. We're not asking for perfection, this isn't 2015. People are pissed because we ran it into the line against the Vikings and couldn't get 3 inches. Fine call another play, but if you can't get 3 inches, you're not that good. Period. The Pats tried running outside on them last night in the same situation, guess what? They didn't get it either. But everyone here thinks McDaniels is a ***** ****ing genius and MM is a moron. Or yesterday in our own game. Misdirection and naked boot with Graham coming out with Rodgers, but the guy on the end of the defense didn't play it like Clay Matthews or Reggie Gilbert and come crashing down on the misdirection and played it perfectly. Everyone in the shoutbox is railing the play call again, when it's the exact type play they've been calling for all year. People don't seem to realize that scheme only works when the defense gets fooled. When they don't, your'e out there with your *** in the breeze.

or the previous week, Receivers bunched, run a shallow easy route for a first down, and Rodgers throws it in the dirt. Followed up by overthrowing a wide open Devante Adams for a TD. Those were just his last 2 passes in that game. Whoever the coach is, he needs a couple better players and to get this team to just do their jobs. I think blaming the coach and the plays is easier than accepting this team has not played well and our normally accurate QB has not been, he's not been smart at times, we need a couple positions on the offensive line and we seem to have 1 pass catcher that is reliable on offense. It's going to be another tough offseason to try and fill those voids. It's a lot.

 

[bigbubbatd]

the only reason there is still a debate on creativity is because people just keep beating the only drum they know. I'm fine moving on from MM, they're headed in the wrong direction, the fact that they always find someway every game to lose is my reason. Play calling is not. I think play calling is too easy. for example 3rd and 4th and short, we've ran about every play imaginable and failed. Can't run on 3rd and 2, and i've seen Rodgers miss more than 1 or 2 easy, wide open quick hitting, just put the ball int he receivers hands passes for that 2 yards as well. Just as i've seen him hit and miss deep.

Everyone says, we need to run this, we need to scheme that. We need some new personnel and we need our QB to play to an acceptable level. We're not asking for perfection, this isn't 2015. People are pissed because we ran it into the line against the Vikings and couldn't get 3 inches. Fine call another play, but if you can't get 3 inches, you're not that good. Period. The Pats tried running outside on them last night in the same situation, guess what? They didn't get it either. But everyone here thinks McDaniels is a ***** ******* genius and MM is a moron. Or yesterday in our own game. Misdirection and naked boot with Graham coming out with Rodgers, but the guy on the end of the defense didn't play it like Clay Matthews or Reggie Gilbert and come crashing down on the misdirection and played it perfectly. Everyone in the shoutbox is railing the play call again, when it's the exact type play they've been calling for all year. People don't seem to realize that scheme only works when the defense gets fooled. When they don't, your'e out there with your *** in the breeze.

or the previous week, Receivers bunched, run a shallow easy route for a first down, and Rodgers throws it in the dirt. Followed up by overthrowing a wide open Devante Adams for a TD. Those were just his last 2 passes in that game. Whoever the coach is, he needs a couple better players and to get this team to just do their jobs. I think blaming the coach and the plays is easier than accepting this team has not played well and our normally accurate QB has not been, he's not been smart at times, we need a couple positions on the offensive line and we seem to have 1 pass catcher that is reliable on offense. It's going to be another tough offseason to try and fill those voids. It's a lot.

This is a little bit of a strawman. Maybe some think it is just the coach but most seem to say it is a combination of
1. The coach/play calling
2. Offensive talent in general
3. Qb play

It is the order that is debated. Anyone who thinks Rodgers has had a good year by his standards isn't watching the games. However anyone who thinks this offense looks as crisp and innovative as the saints, rams etc isn't watching the games in my mind either. But we don't need to go down that rabbit trail. And let's be fair many of the people calling for McCarthy to be gone have been doing it for a while

 

[PackAttack12]

You will find no bigger fan of Aaron Rodgers than me, I can assure you.

That being said, he isn't playing up to his standards for much of the season. Now a lot of it early on could be explained by the knee injury that limited his mobility to the point that he couldn't be effective in the manner that he's accustomed to being effective. But he worked through that, and now here we are and he's still missing some throws that he normally makes.

So Rodgers deserves some blame, no question about it.

But he is not the biggest problem with the Green Bay Packers. Not by a long shot.

What we can hope for at this point is that we find either a head coach or an offensive coordinator that energizes him elevate his play to a point in which we've seen it many times over the years.

The scheme isn't doing him or the offense any favors. It's outdated and ran its course. There is a change that is needed for the Packers to return to relevance.

Like I've said repeatedly, relying upon Aaron Rodgers to be all time great every time he laces 'em up isn't going to get us to the promised land. He needs support, from the talent around him, to the scheme, to game management, etc. All of which can be improved. And hopefully, his play improves as well.