Mike Sherman's Fall From Grace...

[Pokerbrat2000]

Crazy to think that the once GM and head coach of the Packers can't even cut it as a H.S. Football coach.

http://us.blastingnews.com/sports/2...ng-fall-from-grace-hits-bottom-001696549.html

 

[Poppa San]

IIRC he retired to the area and the local team needed a coach. It wasn't like he was looking to resurrect his career at the time.

 

[rmontro]

Still, kind of sad, yeah? A former NFL coach coaching a high school team to a 4-8 record.

 

[Sky King]

Still, kind of sad, yeah? A former NFL coach coaching a high school team to a 4-8 record.

If he had coached my former H.S. to a 4-8 record last season the players may have carried him off the field on their shoulders.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Still, kind of sad, yeah? A former NFL coach coaching a high school team to a 4-8 record.

I guess that record is mostly attributable to a lack of talent on the team.

 

[G0P4ckG0]

Still, kind of sad, yeah? A former NFL coach coaching a high school team to a 4-8 record.

There is an enormous lack of parity in high school football. Some teams are stacked with potential collegiate & professional athletes, while other teams are filled with players who haven't even played a game of backyard football in their life prior to high school. Even Lombardi wouldn't be able to bring the latter team to a winning record.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I guess that record is mostly attributable to a lack of talent on the team.

Rumor has it, the DC and the Principle should be fired as well.

 

[rmontro]

Even Lombardi wouldn't be able to bring the latter team to a winning record.

Well, maybe Lombardi could.
I figured it was largely a talent issue.
Still, a bit sad, eh?

 

[Spanky]

Complete piece of trash article. I regret having clicked it and possibly put some pennies in that trash monger's pocket.

 

[sschind]

There is an enormous lack of parity in high school football. Some teams are stacked with potential collegiate & professional athletes, while other teams are filled with players who haven't even played a game of backyard football in their life prior to high school. Even Lombardi wouldn't be able to bring the latter team to a winning record.

They don't even have to be stacked. At that level having 1 player who has the talent to be a pro or even top college level athlete can mean an undefeated season. Obviously a guy like Aaron Rodgers didn't play like Aaron Rodgers in high school but I'm guessing he was more talented than any other QB in his conference and that goes a long way when you are playing against a bunch of guys who will probably never even play college ball.

 

[Mondio]

the only thing that story did was make me look for another one. I find this one a bit more respectful and objective than the trash above.

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/09/29/nfl-mike-sherman-nauset-high-school-cape-cod

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

the only thing that story did was make me look for another one. I find this one a bit more respectful and objective than the trash above.

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/09/29/nfl-mike-sherman-nauset-high-school-cape-cod

Yup, the article you posted was a nice feel good story, written in 2015 about a big time coach coming to coach at a unknown High School, all the makings of a Hollywood Script. Too bad the ending wasn't as Cinderella like.

I get that you probably didn't like the tone or the picture that the article I posted painted, but the facts don't lie, I guess it's just what story you like to read woven amongst those facts.

 

[Mondio]

Yup, the article you posted was a nice feel good story, written in 2015 about a big time coach coming to coach at a unknown High School, all the makings of a Hollywood Script. Too bad the ending wasn't as Cinderella like.

I get that you probably didn't like the tone or the picture that the article I posted painted, but the facts don't lie, I guess it's just what story you like to read woven amongst those facts.

you're darn right. A guy doesn't spend 40 years in a profession for nothing. He was a pretty decent coach, and a not so good GM for us. It's not like the guy went off the deep end with hookers and cocaine. He helped out a HS team when they didn't have a coach and the team was almost dropped from the school.

This article didn't hide facts either. It's right out there they didn't win a game and lost by a lot almost every single time. They didn't try and paint him as a savior. They also didn't try to degrade him either. There's a definite difference in the angle of the story, that is for certain. and one is much more fact heavy and it isn't the first one. it's junk journalism again. Find an angle and run with it. "Facts" and circumstances be damned. If we can smear a guy, let's do it, we'll get more clicks.

Almost every poster on this thread recognized the challenges in coaching a HS football team and it's not an indictment on a guys life long commitment to the sport. but you're right, i appreciated the 2nd article much more in the fact that it gave the facts and showed that who you are and where you've been doesn't always mean you'll have success everywhere you go. You can paint the harsh realities of time and professions and games, and jobs moving on and leaving a guy that has dedicated a lifetime to it back where we all start without trying to trash the guy.

Journalists like this are the ones that will then write an article on how Awesome Favre is and that he brought a state championship to his high school when he joined their staff. Conveniently leaving out the fact they have had a highly successful program before he ever stepped foot back on the field and had one a state championship just 3 or 4 years previous. Not even a graduating class later. The 2 situations couldn't be more different.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

you're darn right. A guy doesn't spend 40 years in a profession for nothing. He was a pretty decent coach, and a not so good GM for us. It's not like the guy went off the deep end with hookers and cocaine. He helped out a HS team when they didn't have a coach and the team was almost dropped from the school.

This article didn't hide facts either. It's right out there they didn't win a game and lost by a lot almost every single time. They didn't try and paint him as a savior. They also didn't try to degrade him either. There's a definite difference in the angle of the story, that is for certain. and one is much more fact heavy and it isn't the first one. it's junk journalism again. Find an angle and run with it. "Facts" and circumstances be damned. If we can smear a guy, let's do it, we'll get more clicks.

Almost every poster on this thread recognized the challenges in coaching a HS football team and it's not an indictment on a guys life long commitment to the sport. but you're right, i appreciated the 2nd article much more in the fact that it gave the facts and showed that who you are and where you've been doesn't always mean you'll have success everywhere you go. You can paint the harsh realities of time and professions and games, and jobs moving on and leaving a guy that has dedicated a lifetime to it back where we all start without trying to trash the guy.

Journalists like this are the ones that will then write an article on how Awesome Favre is and that he brought a state championship to his high school when he joined their staff. Conveniently leaving out the fact they have had a highly successful program before he ever stepped foot back on the field and had one a state championship just 3 or 4 years previous. Not even a graduating class later. The 2 situations couldn't be more different.

Well said.....I think you need to get in touch with Hollywood, I could be wrong, there just might be a good story in there after all. I do agree with you and as you point out, this is how facts can be painted into two completely different pictures. While the first article didn't alter the facts, it left out most of the information that would take a reader down any other path than the one the author intended to take the reader down. A path that I may have been guilty of taking by posting the article.

 

[Zartan]

you're darn right. A guy doesn't spend 40 years in a profession for nothing. He was a pretty decent coach, and a not so good GM for us. It's not like the guy went off the deep end with hookers and cocaine. He helped out a HS team when they didn't have a coach and the team was almost dropped from the school.

This article didn't hide facts either. It's right out there they didn't win a game and lost by a lot almost every single time. They didn't try and paint him as a savior. They also didn't try to degrade him either. There's a definite difference in the angle of the story, that is for certain. and one is much more fact heavy and it isn't the first one. it's junk journalism again. Find an angle and run with it. "Facts" and circumstances be damned. If we can smear a guy, let's do it, we'll get more clicks.

Almost every poster on this thread recognized the challenges in coaching a HS football team and it's not an indictment on a guys life long commitment to the sport. but you're right, i appreciated the 2nd article much more in the fact that it gave the facts and showed that who you are and where you've been doesn't always mean you'll have success everywhere you go. You can paint the harsh realities of time and professions and games, and jobs moving on and leaving a guy that has dedicated a lifetime to it back where we all start without trying to trash the guy.

Journalists like this are the ones that will then write an article on how Awesome Favre is and that he brought a state championship to his high school when he joined their staff. Conveniently leaving out the fact they have had a highly successful program before he ever stepped foot back on the field and had one a state championship just 3 or 4 years previous. Not even a graduating class later. The 2 situations couldn't be more different.

Do you think his success here was because we had Brett Favre?

 

[AmishMafia]

Apples to oranges. Because you succeeded at one level does not mean you will suceed at another.

Success at the pro level may tilt towards tactics, planning, and salary cap management.

College level success depends also on ability to recruit and building the program. A coach like belicheck may have a rough go at the college level and lose lots of recruits to more dynamic charismatic coaches. Program building is more PR work in getting money for training facilities. Kissing up to alumni, generating donations, etc. Whatever it takes to attract the recruits, modern weightlifting equipment, nice lockerroom, film rooms, etc. It all adds up.

High school coaching success may be predicated more on a coaches teaching skills, ability to motivate and character development. Mike Sherman no longer had position coaches and has to think about basics. High schoolers are much less dedicated and have a lot of other distractions and interests. Fear of getting cut is much less than if it's your livelihood.

 

[Mondio]

Do you think his success here was because we had Brett Favre?

Of course some of it was, and Ahman Green. I don't think he was gods gift to coaching by any means. I think he was a decent coach, not a good GM, and probably a little too nice in not holding Favre more accountable during some of his time.

 

[AmishMafia]

Of course some of it was, and Ahman Green. I don't think he was gods gift to coaching by any means. I think he was a decent coach, not a good GM, and probably a little too nice in not holding Favre more accountable during some of his time.

There were some games where I felt Sherman did an absolute brilliant job. Other games I thought he did a poor job. I believe him getting the GM job did him in. Not just the loss of talent, but the lack of seperation hurt his player-coach relationships. His additional responsibility distracted his attention to coaching.

If left to just coaching I think he would have continued to develop as a coach and would have become a pretty good one.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Crazy he's got a coaching job once again. Found out he's now attempting to hack it as CFL head coach up in Montreal as the Alouettes' new guy. I found out about that and I got to thinking "what in the world were these guys thinking?"

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Apples to oranges. Because you succeeded at one level does not mean you will suceed at another.

Success at the pro level may tilt towards tactics, planning, and salary cap management.

College level success depends also on ability to recruit and building the program. A coach like belicheck may have a rough go at the college level and lose lots of recruits to more dynamic charismatic coaches. Program building is more PR work in getting money for training facilities. Kissing up to alumni, generating donations, etc. Whatever it takes to attract the recruits, modern weightlifting equipment, nice lockerroom, film rooms, etc. It all adds up.

High school coaching success may be predicated more on a coaches teaching skills, ability to motivate and character development. Mike Sherman no longer had position coaches and has to think about basics. High schoolers are much less dedicated and have a lot of other distractions and interests. Fear of getting cut is much less than if it's your livelihood.

It's a fair point, but he had a few other chances in the NFL as well such as when he was the OC for Philbin down in Miami. He stunk that up too and really had no excuse for it either.

 

[Poppa San]

All the things to talk about and you create a forum post for...frolic and procreate in pure bliss.

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[PackerDNA]

I always had respect for Mike Sherman as a man. What he did for that high school just confirms and enhances it for me.

 

[Conso]

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You are right. Was wrong of me to post that message. I apologize to Pokerbrat2000, if you view the article as important or news worthy that’s your choice and your opinion. If I didn’t like it I should’ve just not posted and moved on.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

You are right. Was wrong of me to post that message. I apologize to Pokerbrat2000, if you view the article as important or news worthy that’s your choice and your opinion. If I didn’t like it I should’ve just not posted and moved on.

Well damn, I never got to read your "volley" that came my way. Forward it to me in my inbox?

Trust me, I don't take offense to peoples opinions, whether they agree with mine or not. I love a good healthy debate.

But yeah, due to forum rules, if you want to attack me, please do so through a direct message, then we can "go at it".

 

[AmishMafia]

Well damn, I never got to read your "volley" that came my way. Forward it to me in my inbox?

Trust me, I don't take offense to peoples opinions, whether they agree with mine or not. I love a good healthy debate.

But yeah, due to forum rules, if you want to attack me, please do so through a direct message, then we can "go at it".

Wish I had known this before.

Oh well, better late than never you lousy ####### ####### ######### Deleted by Moderator ###### ############ ######## ######## and so is your mother.


He said PM!
- Poppa San