McCarthy is a great coach

[Pokerbrat2000]

From PB definition... Anyone who gets frustrated during a 10-5 season. (Even if they lose 38-8)

Actually, that would be an "Entitled poster". If the shoe fits....

 

[Un4GivN]

Actually, that would be an "Entitled poster". If the shoe fits....

Point is you are relating entitled... to frustration... Having frustration doesn't make you entitled.

I was making the case that people are frustrated not because of entitlement, but because of their expectations of the team. And their poor play in the biggest games of the season so far. Minus the Vikings game.

And I agree though, frustration should not be taken out on other posters...

 

[Patriotplayer90]

Tbh, that is a crap definition. QB's are intensely competitive and I don't think there is any QB who will not be frustrated after that drubbing, entitled or not. And a 10-5 season for the current Packer team is just not good enough. We have the talent to achieve better.

Did you see that team we played yesterday? Now those guys are talented. We looked like a Mountain West school going up against Alabama. Their 3rd string RB and 3rd WR are better than any of ours.

 

[Un4GivN]

Did you see that team we played yesterday? Now those guys are talented. We looked like a Mountain West school going up against Alabama. Their 3rd string RB and 3rd WR are better than any of ours.

Well... Our Mountain West quarterback is still better than Alabama's

 

[Patriotplayer90]

Well... Our Mountain West quarterback is still better than Alabama's

Haha, agreed. But somebody over in AZ knows what they are doing. They did have a bit of an unfair advantage, being able to snag Fitz, Floyd, and Peterson in the draft, but they have made some great picks.

 

[JBlood]

""They're very good and we played poor," McCarthy said. "It starts with me. When a team plays poorly, the head coach is poor." http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/363604441.html

I agree with Mike. We're 1 and 3 against teams with winning records since week 3. Playing poorly is nothing new for this season. The head coach is running out of time to fix things.

 

[XPack]

Did you see that team we played yesterday? Now those guys are talented. We looked like a Mountain West school going up against Alabama. Their 3rd string RB and 3rd WR are better than any of ours.

Form is temporary, class is permanent. We have the core that is great and it just needs certain additions.

1) I'd put most of yesterday's woes on the right tackle position. Imbalances the whole O Line and impacts Rodgers game.
2) Catching. Not sure what the problem here is. Dependable catchers last season do not suddenly forget their ability. A bit more specialized training and we should be OK there.
3) I'll bite the bullet and say it, MM's play calling in this game was below par. We should have utilized Lacy more (or maybe he decided to save Lacy and given up the game earlier). Same with TE. Quarless caught both passes thrown to him. It's as if MM decided to forget the existence of TE plays! We should have thrown more short yard throws to Quarless/Rodgers to keep the chains moving.
4) Secondary. I blame our transfers/FA for this. We ended up with rookies (talented as may be) but not full season ready and we are paying for that.

 

[Shawnsta3]

""They're very good and we played poor," McCarthy said. "It starts with me. When a team plays poorly, the head coach is poor." http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/363604441.html

I agree with Mike. We're 1 and 3 against teams with winning records since week 3. Playing poorly is nothing new for this season. The head coach is running out of time to fix things.

...3-3 on the year..last I checked the whole season still matters?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking

 

[NelsonsLongCatch]

oh you want me to explain it to you? Ok.

TT goes into FA and has a set number he will spend on a player and when the bidding gets too high he wont go any higher. When he does lock onto a player he hits mostly home runs. As I said earlier due to massive contracts and a philosophy of not kicking the can down the road we are hamstrung by not offering major deals to free agents.

Has TT missed out on some FAs that one of the other 31 teams have signed? yes.

I am mystified by peoples dislike of TT and how he handles the team. I think he might hang onto coaches too long or be too hands off in certain areas but the man is a top 5 GM without question

 

[PackerDNA]

My apologies to all- and specifically longtimefan and ivo610- for my **** poor performance on this thread last night. Had just gotten back from the bar and the Jack Daniels was kicking in. Not an excuse, but the lesson is learned; don't post drunk and angry.

 

[Cobbosanlucas]

I'm clearly not as knowledgeable on this subject as most of the previous posters, but I think MM is one of the better coaches in the league. If I had a criticism to make, it would be that his play calling can sometimes be a little predictable, although I loved the fake punt in the Cardinals game. Also, I think he sometimes burns timeouts at really inopportune times. The team has many deficiencies right now, but I don't think the head coaching position is one of them.

 

[PackerDNA]

Bill Walsh once said that ten years is the cut off for a coach with one team; the players start to tune you out, you run out of ideas, you and the whole thing gets stale. This is year eleven for TT, ten for MM. IMO, that's what we're starting to see here.

 

[Un4GivN]

Bill Walsh once said that ten years is the cut off for a coach with one team; the players start to tune you out, you run out of ideas, you and the whole thing gets stale. This is year eleven for TT, ten for MM. IMO, that's what we're starting to see here.

Bill Belichick? How long has he been in NE? Honest question I know since around early 2000's but not sure exactly when.

 

[PackerDNA]

Bellichik is, in a lot of ways an exception. I agree with what Walsh was saying.

 

[PackerDNA]

I think 2000 was his first season there.

 

[Un4GivN]

I think 2000 was his first season there.

Ya, MM is not Belichick in many ways... Just curious. Look at Sean Payton, off year in NO too.

 

[Guacamole]

It's not that they are 10-5, it's how they got there after being 6-0. McCarthy in my opinion is not a great coach. Look at Belichecks record when he loses big starters, it's frickin good. How did our illustrious great coach do when Rodgers went down with a broken collar bone? When was the last time during big game/primetime game, that he out coached the opposing coach? Does he get a life time pass just because he was the coach when the Pack won their last SB? So many of you are content with making the playoffs. After the playoff loss last year against the Seahawks, one would think the HC would have come out guns a blazing, kicking *** and winning big games. That loss was solely on McCarthy. Yes this team is quitting on him. Why do you think Clay had no tackles these last 2 games? He's fed up too. And this all filters down through out the locker room. Get ready for a loss to the Vikings Sunday on another prime time game. The Bears and Lions both won in GB and it's the Vikings turn. The beginning of the end for McCarthy?

 

[Un4GivN]

It's not that they are 10-5, it's how they got there after being 6-0. McCarthy in my opinion is not a great coach. Look at Belichecks record when he loses big starters, it's frickin good. How did our illustrious great coach do when Rodgers went down with a broken collar bone? When was the last time during big game/primetime game, that he out coached the opposing coach? Does he get a life time pass just because he was the coach when the Pack won their last SB? So many of you are content with making the playoffs. After the playoff loss last year against the Seahawks, one would think the HC would have come out guns a blazing, kicking *** and winning big games. That loss was solely on McCarthy. Yes this team is quitting on him. Why do you think Clay had no tackles these last 2 games? He's fed up too. And this all filters down through out the locker room. Get ready for a loss to the Vikings Sunday on another prime time game. The Bears and Lions both won in GB and it's the Vikings turn. The beginning of the end for McCarthy?

I don't for a second think Clay or Aaron "quit". You don't get as good as them taking off days cause you don't like your coach. You do it for yourself and your pride.

I don't know what to think about MM right now. He's not great, but do you have a better option. I think belichick is busy right now.

 

[yooperpackfan]

Bill Walsh once said that ten years is the cut off for a coach with one team; the players start to tune you out, you run out of ideas, you and the whole thing gets stale. This is year eleven for TT, ten for MM. IMO, that's what we're starting to see here.

It appears McCarthy has lost this team.
He has most certainly has lost Aaron Rodgers.

 

[Carl]

It's not that they are 10-5, it's how they got there after being 6-0. McCarthy in my opinion is not a great coach. Look at Belichecks record when he loses big starters, it's frickin good. How did our illustrious great coach do when Rodgers went down with a broken collar bone? When was the last time during big game/primetime game, that he out coached the opposing coach? Does he get a life time pass just because he was the coach when the Pack won their last SB? So many of you are content with making the playoffs. After the playoff loss last year against the Seahawks, one would think the HC would have come out guns a blazing, kicking *** and winning big games. That loss was solely on McCarthy. Yes this team is quitting on him. Why do you think Clay had no tackles these last 2 games? He's fed up too. And this all filters down through out the locker room. Get ready for a loss to the Vikings Sunday on another prime time game. The Bears and Lions both won in GB and it's the Vikings turn. The beginning of the end for McCarthy?

To blame the loss vs Seattle with all the player mistakes that happened doesn't make sense all at.

 

[Carl]

It's not that they are 10-5, it's how they got there after being 6-0. McCarthy in my opinion is not a great coach. Look at Belichecks record when he loses big starters, it's frickin good. How did our illustrious great coach do when Rodgers went down with a broken collar bone? When was the last time during big game/primetime game, that he out coached the opposing coach? Does he get a life time pass just because he was the coach when the Pack won their last SB? So many of you are content with making the playoffs. After the playoff loss last year against the Seahawks, one would think the HC would have come out guns a blazing, kicking *** and winning big games. That loss was solely on McCarthy. Yes this team is quitting on him. Why do you think Clay had no tackles these last 2 games? He's fed up too. And this all filters down through out the locker room. Get ready for a loss to the Vikings Sunday on another prime time game. The Bears and Lions both won in GB and it's the Vikings turn. The beginning of the end for McCarthy?

How would Belicheck do when down to his 4th option at QB? Probably not well.

 

[NelsonsLongCatch]

""They're very good and we played poor," McCarthy said. "It starts with me. When a team plays poorly, the head coach is poor." http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/363604441.html

I agree with Mike. We're 1 and 3 against teams with winning records since week 3. Playing poorly is nothing new for this season. The head coach is running out of time to fix things.

It's the SAME quote after every blowout loss. He's just repetitive, boring and uninspiring at this point.

 

[NelsonsLongCatch]

How would Belicheck do when down to his 4th option at QB? Probably not well.

He did win 11 games with Matt Casell... That's pretty impressive

 

[NelsonsLongCatch]

...3-3 on the year..last I checked the whole season still matters?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking

That's super sketchy to include wins against Seattle and Kansas City when both had losing records at the time. The Seattle team the Packers beat way back in September is not the same Seattle team playing right now.

 

[Carl]

He did win 11 games with Matt Casell... That's pretty impressive

Yes, that is impressive. However, it's not a good comparison to MM when MM was down to option number 4, not his back up.

That Patriots team was also coming of the 16-0 season and was loaded with talent so it wasn't all Belicheck.

EDIT: Belicheck also went 5-13 before Brady.