Let's Play General Manager...What should Ted Thompson do?

[GreenBaySlacker]

We wouldn't need a big olb if we put some quality dl down in front...

 

[HardRightEdge]

Ok, ok, Perry is worth three times Walden.

I doubt Walden will draw much interest at age 31. He hasn't so far. He was awfully well liked in Indy for his lunch pail, do-the-dirty-work attitude. From before last season:

http://www.indystar.com/story/sport...k-walden-bad-contract-good-teammate/89669838/

Given the sorry state of OLB depth, it wouldn't hurt to have a seasoned vet in rotation at a fairly modest cost.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Getting back to the original question of the OP, "What should Ted Thompson do?", if Eliot Wolf really is the heir apparent then it's time for Thompson to kick himself upstairs and let Wolf take the reins in this draft to see what he can do.

 

[Pkrjones]

Given the sorry state of OLB depth, it wouldn't hurt to have a seasoned vet in rotation at a fairly modest cost.

Why, so he can lose contain over, and over, and over and let Kaepernick earn another huge contract? No thanks, he doesn't belong in G&G again, IMHO.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Why, so he can lose contain over, and over, and over and let Kaepernick earn another huge contract? No thanks, he doesn't belong in G&G again, IMHO.

You're going to lay all of that on Walden? 189 yards before contact? No adjustments at half time? LOL Fire Capers.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

We wouldn't need a big olb if we put some quality dl down in front...

Teams need several quality outside linebackers in a 3-4 defense no matter the talent level on the defensive line.

You're going to lay all of that on Walden? 189 yards before contact? No adjustments at half time? LOL Fire Capers.

I solely blame the playoff loss vs. the Niners in 2012 on Capers. With that being the only one he's primarily responsible for I would have been fine with him being fired after that fiasco.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

Teams need several quality outside linebackers in a 3-4 defense no matter the talent level on the defensive line.



I solely blame the playoff loss vs. the Niners in 2012 on Capers. With that being the only one he's primarily responsible for I would have been fine with him being fired after that fiasco.

When a team pays 2 olbs 27mil a year, then you need rookies, and cheap depth...we will have that.

My point is that you can have 3. Like we did the last 3 years with Mathew's, Perry, and peppers. But it won't help if there aren't quality dlinemen in front of them....

 

[Deleted member 6794]

When a team pays 2 olbs 27mil a year, then you need rookies, and cheap depth...we will have that.

My point is that you can have 3. Like we did the last 3 years with Mathew's, Perry, and peppers. But it won't help if there aren't quality dlinemen in front of them....

Last season four outside linebackers played more than 450 snaps for the Packers. With Matthews and Perry being injured a lot the team needs quality backups.

BTW OLBs line up next to defensive linemen in a 3-4, not behind them.

 

[fistfullofbeer]

I am hoping that TT can still trade for a starting #1 CB. However, I don't think TT is the trading type and have little hope in that area. If we can get a starting CB in a trade, we can try to pick up a running RB to complement Montgomery and also fill in the remaining holes via the Draft. The secondary is truly the only position on the team that worries me. Losing Lacy does hurt but given how good our passing game is, I think Montgomery + drafted RB should do just fine.

 

[JLW_51]

My thoughts on what Thompson is doing with the Packers and his philosophy on roster building, https://thefantasygreek.com/packers-draft-and-develop-approach-looks-more-like-catch-and-release/

 

[HardRightEdge]

My thoughts on what Thompson is doing with the Packers and his philosophy on roster building, https://thefantasygreek.com/packers-draft-and-develop-approach-looks-more-like-catch-and-release/

That can be distilled down to a couple of simple equations:

core player + youth - who else ya got = contract

current contact + core perception - who else ya got = retained

Both equations have 3 variables:

- is the player perceived as core?
- how old is he?
- who else ya got to replace him?

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

Last season four outside linebackers played more than 450 snaps for the Packers. With Matthews and Perry being injured a lot the team needs quality backups.

BTW OLBs line up next to defensive linemen in a 3-4, not behind them.

Yea, when there is 2 dlinemen, then they have to rush. But you act like olbs don't drop back in coverage...

In my idea of a 3-4... the 3 dlinemen need to get a push. They need to beat their one olineman enough to force the double team... a stout dline is where the 3-4 lives or dies imo...

Once you get the 5 olinemen busy with the 3 dlinemen. Then you have 4 lbs that swarm... can the olbs go up next to the DEs and show blitz? Sure. But imo it's better to not show what you are doing, when it comes to blitzing...

My thought is that you have 4lbs. All of which can blitz. You can hit the qb from 4 different directions... oline doesn't know who is coming, until they commit to the nearest dlineman...

You seem to be talking about capers 3-4 abortion where a olb is strictly a rusher, but only sometimes. And the other olb can look like a lb, but he has to rush all the time too, but only some of the time. But then we get an extra tweener safety hybrid to help tackle (5yds down field)WHEN the back gets through our 2 man front...

That's not a 3-4 imo.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Yea, when there is 2 dlinemen, then they have to rush. But you act like olbs don't drop back in coverage...

3-4 OLBs don't drop in coverage much, but only particularly in Capers' 3-4.

Capers likes to run his zone blitz a couple times a game against certain QBs where he blitzes on one side and drops an OLB or even a lineman into that QB's standard-issue short passing lane check down looking for a cheap INT.

Sometimes they'll drop in a match-up situation. You just don't see it very often. Coverage responsibility falls to the ILBs 90 - 95% of the time.

4-3 OLBs are a different matter.

3-4 OLBs are stand-up DEs, especially in the world according to Capers, with a bit of scheme flexibility, but that's about it.

Now if you're wanting to see something on the order of a hybrid defense instead of the Capers "abortion" as you call it, then you'll need to wait at least another year and the complaint becomes academic.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

3-4 OLBs don't drop in coverage much, but only particularly in Capers' 3-4.

Capers likes to run his zone blitz a couple times a game against certain QBs where he blitzes on one side and drops an OLB or even a lineman into that QB's standard-issue short passing lane check down looking for a cheap INT.

Sometimes they'll drop in a match-up situation. You just don't see it very often. Coverage responsibility falls to the ILBs 90 - 95% of the time.

4-3 OLBs are a different matter.

3-4 OLBs are stand-up DEs, especially in the world according to Capers, with a bit of scheme flexibility, but that's about it.

Now if you're wanting to see something on the order of a hybrid defense instead of the Capers"abortion" as you call it, then you'll need to wait paat least another year and the complaint becomes academic.

Mathews should be our olb prototype. I like the Perry olb type because he is such a beast, and nearly impossible to stop with a head of steam... but the peppers, datone monster olb that always rushes, and rarely drops into coverage...scrap that imo.

The ilbs are in coverage 90% of the time because of the weak coverage skills of peppers . They don't have to be.......
3-4, 4-3 hybrid olbs you could say.
Ilbs should be blitzing more too. Mix it up like I said. We have 4 lbs spread out. We should hit them with all 4.

Our defense Basicly has been covering for the fact we want/need a nickle back on the field at all times. So we take out a dlineman and make a olb Basicly a full time rusher. The other olb ends up in coverage more often as a result. The ilbs need to be coverage specialists. And since our ilbs were Thomas instead of Martinez..., coverage lbs, we need dbacks and safety's who can tackle ....

Oy...........

Now that peppers, and datone are gone. Be a perfect time to transition out of the 2-4-5. And back to a 3-4-4.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Yea, when there is 2 dlinemen, then they have to rush. But you act like olbs don't drop back in coverage...

In my idea of a 3-4... the 3 dlinemen need to get a push. They need to beat their one olineman enough to force the double team... a stout dline is where the 3-4 lives or dies imo...

Once you get the 5 olinemen busy with the 3 dlinemen. Then you have 4 lbs that swarm... can the olbs go up next to the DEs and show blitz? Sure. But imo it's better to not show what you are doing, when it comes to blitzing...

My thought is that you have 4lbs. All of which can blitz. You can hit the qb from 4 different directions... oline doesn't know who is coming, until they commit to the nearest dlineman...

You seem to be talking about capers 3-4 abortion where a olb is strictly a rusher, but only sometimes. And the other olb can look like a lb, but he has to rush all the time too, but only some of the time. But then we get an extra tweener safety hybrid to help tackle (5yds down field)WHEN the back gets through our 2 man front...

That's not a 3-4 imo.

With defenses mostly playing in subpackages because of opposing offensive schemes outside linebackers hardly drop into coverage anymore. For example last season Perry, Matthews, Fackrell and Elliott combined did it only on 4.2% of the snaps.

Once again, OLBs mostly line up at the LOS next to defensive linemen.