Lang signs with the Lions

[Poppa San]

I just find it amazing that anyone would say our OL coaching is among the best in the league since so many wanted Campen's head on a platter just a few years ago.

He stopped trying to coach ZBS which he had not played and switched to something close but different which he was a bit more familiar.

 

[Sanguine camper]

That's what was said with Sitton's departure. I doubt this will be a particular problem except from the depth standpoint.

Did you miss Sitton? No you did not.

TT canned his starting guards in 2005. How did that work out? Taylor was a drop off from Sitton but it wasn't a big mess because the line stayed healthy and the other four starters played very well. It's very doubtful that situation will repeat itself. The Packers don't have another pro bowl guard in the wings to replace Lang and the lack of depth will be exposed when injuries return to the olive this year.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I'm fine with the Packers letting Lang walk away in free agency considering the money he received from the Lions. There's no doubt the team will have to address the guard position though as Taylor and Patrick are the only players at the position currently on the roster. It's possible Bulaga might move inside but I'm not really keen on that idea either.

There's no reason to be worried about the offensive line in general as the Packers are set at tackle and center.

I would agree if they were trading for a true #1. Johnson is a lot better than anyone currently on GB's roster, but I wouldn't call him that.

I would be absolutely fine with either Butler or Johnson as the Packers #1 cornerback.

 

[Pkrjones]

Good for Lang for getting paid ($28.5Mil over 3 yrs., $19Mil guaranteed). I'm glad TT didn't pay that for an over 30 OG. There are a couple of OT's waiting in the wings and I can see an OT (convertible to OC/OG) drafted in round 4 or 5 this year and a couple of UDFA's for grooming .

Really hope the talent/potential is there to make Barclay expendable at the end of August.

 

[Dantés]

I'm fine with the Packers letting Lang walk away in free agency considering the money he received from the Lions. There's no doubt the team will have to address the guard position though as Taylor and Patrick are the only players at the position currently on the roster. It's possible Bulaga might move inside but I'm not really keen on that idea either.

There's no reason to be worried about the offensive line in general as the Packers are set at tackle and center.



I would be absolutely fine with either Butler or Johnson as the Packers #1 cornerback.

Yeah, me too. That wasn't the point. I was saying that you can't overpay for Johnson on the tag. He's not the type of true #1 that you'd pay through the nose for. The price has to be right.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Yeah, me too. That wasn't the point. I was saying that you can't overpay for Johnson on the tag. He's not the type of true #1 that you'd pay through the nose for. The price has to be right.

There's no doubt the Packers should sign Johnson to a reasonable long term deal if they acquire him.

 

[Dantés]

There's no doubt the Packers should sign Johnson to a reasonable long term deal if they acquire him.

We're talking about the trade price.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

We're talking about the trade price.

I would be absolutely fine with giving up a second round pick for Johnson.

 

[Pkrjones]

Why not make a run at Morris Claiborne? He performs best in press man coverage (Caper's favorite if personnel allows) and doesn't cost any picks in trade. At only 27 TT could offer a 4yr/$39Mil (same as Shields had), making him 15th highest paid CB and a defensive cornerstone for next 4 years.

Follow that up with Connor Barwin at OLB for 3yr/$18Mil and the D is at least on the path to being stable.

 

[Dantés]

I would be absolutely fine with giving up a second round pick for Johnson.

I'm not giving up a 2nd round pick for a good but inconsistent corner on a 16M franchise tag whose own team has been too skittish to give him an extension.

 

[Dantés]

Why not make a run at Morris Claiborne? He performs best in press man coverage (Caper's favorite if personnel allows) and doesn't cost any picks in trade. At only 27 TT could offer a 4yr/$39Mil (same as Shields had), making him 15th highest paid CB and a defensive cornerstone for next 4 years.

Follow that up with Connor Barwin at OLB for 3yr/$18Mil and the D is at least on the path to being stable.

I'd be fine with them making an offer on Claiborne, but not at that price. He's exceptionally fragile and has one good half-season to his name in the midst of a lot of bad tape.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Why not make a run at Morris Claiborne? He performs best in press man coverage (Caper's favorite if personnel allows) and doesn't cost any picks in trade. At only 27 TT could offer a 4yr/$39Mil (same as Shields had), making him 15th highest paid CB and a defensive cornerstone for next 4 years.

I would be fine with adding Claiborne as well but it's a risky signing as he has been inconsistent and often injured.

I'm not giving up a 2nd round pick for a good but inconsistent corner on a 16M franchise tag whose own team has been too skittish to give him an extension.

That's why I suggested the Packers would have to sign him to a reasonable long term contract once they have acquired him in a reply to one of your posts in this thread only 20 minutes ago.

 

[Dantés]

I would be fine with adding Claiborne as well but it's a risky signing as he has been inconsistent and often injured.



That's why I suggested the Packers would have to sign him to a reasonable long term contract once they have acquired him in a reply to one of your posts in this thread only 20 minutes ago.

Yes, an extension that his own team has been reluctant to give him. That's concerning when it comes to a character that people have been suspect of going all the way back to his days at the University of Montana.

And I don't know how "reasonable" they should expect the extension to be. Johnson would have more leverage. If he doesn't sign their idea of a reasonable extension what are the Packers going to do, cut him?

The need to give him a big long term deal or have him be a 16M$ one year rental suppresses his value. There's a price at which to trade for him, but a 2nd round pick isn't it.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Yes, an extension that his own team has been reluctant to give him. That's concerning when it comes to a character that people have been suspect of going all the way back to his days at the University of Montana.

And I don't know how "reasonable" they should expect the extension to be. Johnson would have more leverage. If he doesn't sign their idea of a reasonable extension what are the Packers going to do, cut him?

The need to give him a big long term deal or have him be a 16M$ one year rental suppresses his value. There's a price at which to trade for him, but a 2nd round pick isn't it.

Johnson would for sure ask for a contract in the neighborhood of what Bouye and Gilmore received this offseason but the Packers could structure it in a decent way making it more reasonable than having him play under the franchise tag.

It would probably take a second round pick several years to develop into a #1 cornerback, if at all. With the Packers in dire need of a player like that now giving up the 61st selection in this year's draft would be a smart move.

 

[Dantés]

Johnson would for sure ask for a contract in the neighborhood of what Bouye and Gilmore received this offseason but the Packers could structure it in a decent way making it more reasonable than having him play under the franchise tag.

It would probably take a second round pick several years to develop into a #1 cornerback, if at all. With the Packers in dire need of a player like that now giving up the 61st selection in this year's draft would be a smart move.

So you want to spend a 2nd round pick on a guy who you immediately have to pay at a level that he really isn't worth. I'm not there.

 

[Pkrjones]

I'd be fine with them making an offer on Claiborne, but not at that price. He's exceptionally fragile and has one good half-season to his name in the midst of a lot of bad tape.

I was under the impression a lot of his "bad tape" was when playing zone and that he did much better in press man. What price would be worth an offer? The Gilmore/Bouye/tag $$ is frightening to me ($13+Mil/yr.).

 

[Dantés]

I was under the impression a lot of his "bad tape" was when playing zone and that he did much better in press man. What price would be worth an offer? The Gilmore/Bouye/tag $$ is frightening to me ($13+Mil/yr.).

That may be true. I wouldn't know. If so, it makes him more interesting.

I think a one year deal makes a lot of sense for Claiborne, as it gives him a chance to prove that 2016 wasn't a fluke and the team doesn't have a long term commitment if it turns out that it was.

I'm thinking somewhere in the 7-8M range.

 

[Spanky]

TT canned his starting guards in 2005. How did that work out? Taylor was a drop off from Sitton but it wasn't a big mess because the line stayed healthy and the other four starters played very well. It's very doubtful that situation will repeat itself. The Packers don't have another pro bowl guard in the wings to replace Lang and the lack of depth will be exposed when injuries return to the olive this year.

If there was a lesson to be learned in 2005, it was don't replace two guards in the same season.

Even after 2005, Ted has continued to let his interior offensive linemen walk. Daryn Colledge, Scott Wells, Jason Spitz, Evan Dietrich-Smith, and Josh Sitton. How many of those non-signings (or releases) hurt the Packers?

The Packers are good to excellent at LT, RT, and C and Lane Taylor was fine (if unspectacular) at LG. Now Taylor has a full year of starting experience at G so I expect him to continue to improve. The Packers will do just fine with whomever they slot into the RG position in 2017. Quite frankly, I'd rather see the money spent on defense.

 

[brandon2348]

I'm not giving up a 2nd round pick for a good but inconsistent corner on a 16M franchise tag whose own team has been too skittish to give him an extension.

I suppose it's a bad idea if your infatuated with staying 30 million under the cap and can't refrain yourself from making another "Rollins like pick" in second round.

Sounds like a great Move to me to give the Packers a better chance to win a Super Bowl.

Let's face it. TT isn't gonna spend the money anyways.

 

[Spanky]

I suppose it's a bad idea if your infatuated with staying 30 million under the cap

Let's face it. TT isn't gonna spend the money anyways.

Since 2011, when were the Packers more than $10.9 million under the salary cap? Answer - zero.

 

[brandon2348]

Since 2011, when were the Packers more than $10 million under the salary cap? Answer - zero.

Oh, so you think a deal or more free agent signings are ahead of us?

 

[Packer Fan in SD]

No idea what will transpire, but $10mil seems to be the magic number for cap carryover in any given year, so we can hope that yes, there maybe more moves. The only move right now I care about is at CB.

 

[Dantés]

I suppose it's a bad idea if your infatuated with staying 30 million under the cap and can't refrain yourself from making another "Rollins like pick" in second round.

Sounds like a great Move to me to give the Packers a better chance to win a Super Bowl.

Let's face it. TT isn't gonna spend the money anyways.

I am not. I just don't think bad deals are a good idea just for the sake of being able to say they did something.

The trickiest part of it for me is what will happen when you pay Johnson. He was at UM at the same time as I was. He had a reputation. He's never been viewed as a high character guy. Then he goes to the Jeff Fisher Rams, a team that generally cared about character less than most, he played well, and they wouldn't extend him.

For some reason they're afraid to give him long term security. Given what I've always heard about the kid, that gives me pause.

Now that said, if they do their homework and decide he's worth the risk, it could be a big upgrade. I just don't think they should spend a top 2 round pick to get him.

 

[Spanky]

Oh, so you think a deal or more free agent signings are ahead of us?

Absolutely. Dollars to donuts the Packers will end up with a cap carryover of around $7-$10 million. That usually puts the Packers around the middle of the pack in terms of salary cap usage.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

The Packers are good to excellent at LT, RT, and C and Lane Taylor was fine (if unspectacular) at LG. Now Taylor has a full year of starting experience at G so I expect him to continue to improve. The Packers will do just fine with whomever they slot into the RG position in 2017. Quite frankly, I'd rather see the money spent on defense.

The Packers offensive line currently features three excellent and another serviceable starter with right guard having to be addressed. I'm not worried about anything else than depth though.