Kenny Clark and Blake Martinez

[Mondio]

I like Ron, I like Ted, I like Gute’s start. Before everyone starts thinking I like everything, I don’t much care for those that don’t appreciate the game, the struggles, and what we’ve had here.

 

[XPack]

And who drafted Rodgers?

Oh, come on. He fell into our lap.

 

[Packer Fan in SD]

He fell into 3/4’s of thee leagues lap, and only a very few had a future HOF QB starting for them at the time.

 

[Dantés]

Basically if you decide that you don't want to like someone, you'll explain away the positives.

 

[PackinMSP]

Eh, I admit TT didn't finish well his last few years and it could be attributed to fatigue as others have said.

I never liked the release of Lang btw either as I still don't feel we have recovered from that loss on the OL, not to mention Bulaga is always an injury concern

The 2014 team was definitely a SB team as I and others have mentioned.

Honestly, the team isn't in as bad a shape as some are saying.

QB: excellent
RB: solid with Jones and Williams now. The Lacy weight thing is unfortunate as I believe he would be Top 5 in the league today
WR: SOLID. Adams, Allison, MVC, ESB, Kumerow... May have been VERY good with Jordy
TE: we are fine ...but TT never was able to bring a good one in after Finley
OL: Good, minus the right side of the OL

DL: One of the more talented ones in the league I think
ILB: Good enough, would be solid with Jake Ryan healthy
OLB' TERRIBLE
CB' Excellent
Safeties: Very thin now

So it's really not that bad imho...but the coaching just hasn't been good is my opinion. I truly feel that the "talent/potential" is there.

This team is severely underperforming

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Oh. But you just said in the Mike Daniels thread that one game doesn’t make up for 6. Does that not apply here?

Martinez performed at a high level over the first six games of the season as well though.

Honestly I don't really get all the HATE for TT.

Thompson deserves credit for building a team that won the Super Bowl in 2010 as well as being one of the most successful franchises for most of his tenure. There's no doubt that some really bad drafts as well as his reluctancy to use all methods available to improve the team resulted in the roster lacking overall talent over the past few years.

Yeah, he was. But I still applaud Gute for not giving a 3rd deal to a 29 year safety in decline. The issue isn't that they let Burnett walk, it's that Jones was not ready to replace him.

It was unrealistic to expect Jones being a leader this season though.

Honestly, the team isn't in as bad a shape as some are saying.

Gutekunst having a pretty good pffseason has a lot to do with it though.

 

[Dantés]

Martinez performed at a high level over the first six games of the season as well though.



Thompson deserves credit for building a team that won the Super Bowl in 2010 as well as being one of the most successful franchises for most of his tenure. There's no doubt that some really bad drafts as well as his reluctancy to use all methods available to improve the team resulted in the roster lacking overall talent over the past few years.



It was unrealistic to expect Jones being a leader this season though.



Gutekunst having a pretty good pffseason has a lot to do with it though.

A leader, sure. But most of us expected him to play.

 

[HardRightEdge]

It's fine that we disagree on Martinez being one of the best inside linebackers in the league but after his performance against the Rams you most likely have a hard time convincing anyone about the opposite.

Yeah. I think he's a solid top 10. If he played every week like he did against the Rams he should be in the All Pro discussion. I don't think it is generally appreciated how good he played last week.

 

[GleefulGary]

Oh, come on. He fell into our lap.

Oh?

I recall a lot of very angry Packer fans when we drafted him. We still had Favre, Favre was getting older and we needed to add talent to what could’ve been a Super Bowl team. That was he argument. Draft a weapon for Favre, not a QB.

Lot of revisionist history going on with the Rodgers pick. It was hated for a couple years by Packers fans...but yeah, he just fell into our laps. Still have to credit the guy who made the pick.

 

[Half Empty]

I was surprised at the pick, but not necessarily upset. BF was already getting on my nerves, and AR WAS a coin-flip overall #1 before the draft. Certainly, TT should be credited for pulling the trigger, although, if he really thought AR's potential was what it's turned out to be, I don't see him waiting until pick #24.

 

[swhitset]

I was surprised at the pick, but not necessarily upset. BF was already getting on my nerves, and AR WAS a coin-flip overall #1 before the draft. Certainly, TT should be credited for pulling the trigger, although, if he really thought AR's potential was what it's turned out to be, I don't see him waiting until pick #24.

There is risk involved in every decision... the bottom line is Thompson made that pick when 23 other gms went another way (yeah i know it’s likely that number is less due to some teams possibly having multiple first round picks). To not give Thompson credit for making that pick especially when he had Bret Favre on the roster is just stupid.

 

[Half Empty]

Agreed, as I said.

 

[XPack]

Oh?

I recall a lot of very angry Packer fans when we drafted him. We still had Favre, Favre was getting older and we needed to add talent to what could’ve been a Super Bowl team. That was he argument. Draft a weapon for Favre, not a QB.

Lot of revisionist history going on with the Rodgers pick. It was hated for a couple years by Packers fans...but yeah, he just fell into our laps. Still have to credit the guy who made the pick.

No revisionist history. TT's game plan has always been best player available and AR was the best. One of the few instances where his strategy actually worked. And lot of things fell into TTs lap for us the end up where we are right now. Who knows what might have happened if Favre didn't announce his retirement that time! We might have traded him off at end of rookie contract.

 

[Mondio]

No revisionist history. TT's game plan has always been best player available and AR was the best. One of the few instances where his strategy actually worked. And lot of things fell into TTs lap for us the end up where we are right now. Who knows what might have happened if Favre didn't announce his retirement that time! We might have traded him off at end of rookie contract.

That's revisionist. They were ready to move on from Favre. The convincing to stay retired. The 20 Million to not come back, the ceremony to call it a career etc. All because they were ready to move on from him. he wanted to come back, they didn't take him back. If you don't want to give Ted Credit for anything else that's fine, but to try and twist the transition from Favre to Rodgers as nothing more than dumb luck is as revisionist as it gets.

 

[HardRightEdge]

TT's game plan has always been best player available and AR was the best.

That's what he said he did for quite a few years. It was a deflection. Then he stopped saying it altogether perhaps because it was no longer plausibly believeable.

 

[Dantés]

No one in the NFL drafts according to a BPA strategy. Everyone factors need and position value into the equation. Some teams bake need and position value into the cake of the overall grade and them claim to draft BPA, but not in the way that fans conceive of it.

 

[PackerDNA]

It took guts for Thompson to select Rogers when he did. It took even more guts for him to hold the line against Favre's constant retirement threats and then trade him less than 2 years later.

 

[Mondio]

That's what he said he did for quite a few years. It was a deflection. Then he stopped saying it altogether perhaps because it was no longer plausibly believeable.

I can’t remember ever saying that

 

[HardRightEdge]

I can’t remember ever saying that

I don't know how you got in there, since I was quoting XPack, but I fixed it. I gave you two agrees, so no hard feelings?

 

[GleefulGary]

I don't know how you got in there, since I was quoting XPack, but I fixed it. I gave you two agrees, so no hard feelings?

As Mondio’s lawyer, I demand 5 agrees and 1 funny to make up for confusing him with XPack. Otherwise, prepare yourself for legal battle.

 

[GleefulGary]

Kenny Clark, btw, is a freaking stud. He’s an elite, top tier iDL. Glad we have him. He makes many players on this team look good.

As for Martinez, he played great against the Rams. I hope he can keep that up, because that was top notch play from him. I want more of that, and less of what you see in this link.

https://m.cheeseheadtv.com/blog/gra...nton-dix-blake-martinez-bonus-film-review-506

 

[HardRightEdge]

As Mondio’s lawyer, I demand 5 agrees and 1 funny to make up for confusing him with XPack. Otherwise, prepare yourself for legal battle.

D*mn personal injury attorneys. Just tell him to put the balm on.

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[Dblbogey]

I put that to AR12 more than TT.
His 2005-11 (probably would give him a 7 for this) was probably better than 2011-17 (will give him a 3 for this) and that factors into overall rating.

I believe TT drafted AR12. After 23 GM's passed on him, and even though QB was about the only position we DIDN'T have a need at. It was a gutsy and brilliant pick.

 

[sschind]

No one in the NFL drafts according to a BPA strategy. Everyone factors need and position value into the equation. Some teams bake need and position value into the cake of the overall grade and them claim to draft BPA, but not in the way that fans conceive of it.

Exactly. BPA as most fans see it is just that. You got two players which one is the best. Take him. For a GM there is more to consider. Which player fits the team better. Would a top rated QB be the best player for the Rams in the 2018 draft as opposed to the Browns? Is the best player a once in a generation RB when you have a 7 time all pro and just drafted a guy like Saquon Barkley last year or is it a safety when the best one on your team is Kentrell Brice and a guy like Derwin James is still out there. (Please note that the positions and players I used were for illustrative purposes only and not meant to represent any real possibilities.) In many cases the best player available may not be the best player for your team but he is still the best player and he is available.

Bottom line I'm guessing all GM's factor need into it to some degree when determining which player is truly the best player available.

 

[PackerDNA]

The greatest thing about Clark besides that he just turned 22, is that he is still getting better.