Jordy Nelson injury

[Croak]

After reading through a lot of different good and not so good ideas posted here (including mine) about a season without Jordy, specifically bringing back Jones, IMO it will be better to stick with what we've got. I don't think Janis is a starter yet, but he's the closest thing we've got - in terms of height and speed - to play outside. There are two preseason games left so let Janis start with Rodgers and the first team. Get the guy some reps real time and let him work on 1) chemistry with Rodgers, 2) route running, and 3) catching. Although I don't think he has that much work to do on catching. Yes Jones knows the offense but he's older, and never played as fast as Nelson anyway. And please stop giving Janis punt return reps. That's gonna be Hyde and maybe Montgomery anyway.

As for White, I just don't see it I guess. Maybe I'm missing something but I have a hard time seeing him on the 53. Then again, if someone else on the depth chart can't outplay him in pre-season, White will be on the roster almost by default as the #5 - assuming the 1 to 4 order is Cobb, Adams, Montgomery, Janis.

And Cobb on the outside doesn't add up. First of all he's much more effective from the slot or even the backfield. And second, he doesn't have the height for outside receiver in today's game. Well, at least not enough height to play him there consistently. Although he could be very dangerous on end around plays. I don't expect Janis to be the next coming of Jordy, but give him a real chance now, before the games count.

This, in my opinion, is probably close to what McCarthy and the coaching staff are thinking. They are also probably thinking that they have the ability to call more running plays as well, to offset the slight downgrade at receiver. They seem pretty high on Adams, and so does #12. Meanwhile, TT is probably paying real close attention to other inexpensive possibilities out there that a lot of folks, including us, might not see. He seems to have a knack for that. But I think their first option is to keep it all in house.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

and I agree, I don't think White makes the team either with a healthy Jordy. Even with him hurt, I'm not completely sold he's making it either

The Packers will at least keep five wide receivers. While Larry Pinkard has made some nice plays during the preseason I think White is still #5 on the depth chart.

The BIG loss from not having Jordy is the deep threat. Jones while he may help in other areas slightly doesn't provide that deep threat and we have guys already that can be just as effective in alot of the areas JJ provides help while also gaining experience and timing with ARod.

The Packers receivers aside of Cobb and Adams have a combined total of 11 career receptions. While there is a ton of potential none of them have proven to be as effective as Jones in any area. Jones would be a nice insurance policy who is familiar with the Packers system and has had his share of big plays as well.

So many people were expecting big things from Adams this year. If he can up his production to say 70 catches for like 1050+ yards and like 6-7 TDs and Cobb ups his to say 94 for like 1150, (neither of which is a pie in the sky dream imo), then in order to duplicate similar suscess to last year your looking at a combination of an improvement from Lacy out of the backfield, a improvement from R.Rodgers and the addition of Montgomery making up for the hole Adams leaves in the #3 spot by moving up.

I expect Adams to take a big step as well and the numbers you suggested seem to be realistic. To be as succesful as last season Lacy, Rodgers and Montgomery have to combine for 120+ catches which will be tough to accomplish.

as of right now, maybe, but I don't see him beating out other positions either for roster spots, let alone his one, other than thru attrition. Guys like that are replaced all the time. I could see giving Pinkton more opportunities, IF Abbrederis were to make it back, I don't think it would take much to outplay white at this point and I'm sure they'll be looking from outside to bring in.

I think we have a lot of young DB's worth hanging on to over White. If our draft pick or Perrillo respond with more production these last 2 games at TE, I could see keeping 1 or both at the expense of White's position. I think we could clean house at ILB, hardly any seem worthy of a roster spot at this point. Nobody has done anything to separate themselves but LB's are important and injury is inevitable s i'm guessing we hang on to a few regardless of production.

Once again, the Packers will at least keep five receivers. Someone has to beat out White for that spot for him to not make the roster. It seems the coaching staff isn´t satisfied with the performance of the inside linebackers (what a surprise after mostly ignoring the position during the offseason) and have decided to move James Vaughters inside. They will for sure keep at least four of them on the roster though.

BTW, if I were the Giants and wanted to trade Jones, I'd probably prefer a draft pick since they can wait for players the Packers will waive.

Just like with the Packers and Jones there´s no guarantee they would be awarded that player off waivers.

While it would be nice to have James Jones back I'm not real sure he helps replace Nelson. Jones is a completely different kind of receiver. If anything, Jones and Cobb would seem more comparable (with Jones being bigger but Cobb being much more explosive). If the Packers were going to try and trade for anyone it would be for a guy like Charles Johnson (obviously not him specifically but a similar player to what the Vikings though they were getting when they got Johnson).

There´s no single player capable of replacing Nelson but Jones would for sure help deal with losing Jordy for the season. All other wide receivers would need way too much time to get used to the Packers system.

After reading through a lot of different good and not so good ideas posted here (including mine) about a season without Jordy, specifically bringing back Jones, IMO it will be better to stick with what we've got. I don't think Janis is a starter yet, but he's the closest thing we've got - in terms of height and speed - to play outside. There are two preseason games left so let Janis start with Rodgers and the first team. Get the guy some reps real time and let him work on 1) chemistry with Rodgers, 2) route running, and 3) catching. Although I don't think he has that much work to do on catching.

Ty Montgomery got the snaps with the first-team offense during yesterday´s practice. I would like Janis to get some reps as well but it seems the coaching staff doesn´t think he´s ready as he was getting reps with the scout team on Tuesday.

Yes Jones knows the offense but he's older, and never played as fast as Nelson anyway.

Jones is only a year older than Nelson and had a career-high 73 catches last season.

If Jones still has it why would Oakland and the Packers let him go.

The Packers let him go because they didn´t want to hand out a decent contract to him. I have no idea why the Raiders let him go but I wouldn´t consider a team which hasn´t had a winning record for 12 seasons as a great example.

I seem to remember J0nes dropping his share of passes, not to mention fumbling.

Jones has had a lower drop percentage than all other Packers receivers in every single season since 2012.

This, in my opinion, is probably close to what McCarthy and the coaching staff are thinking. They are also probably thinking that they have the ability to call more running plays as well, to offset the slight downgrade at receiver.

This is probably THE understatement of the entire offseason. Nelson ranked 7th in receptions, 4th in receiving yards and 2nd in TDs last season, his season-ending injury is a huge loss for the Packers. As of right now the roster includes only two receivers with more than 10 career receptions and one of them has less than 40.

 

[Croak]

This is probably THE understatement of the entire offseason. Nelson ranked 7th in receptions, 4th in receiving yards and 2nd in TDs last season, his season-ending injury is a huge loss for the Packers. As of right now the roster includes only two receivers with more than 10 career receptions and one of them has less than 40.

Heh heh heh. It was on purpose. I'm trying to keep a hopeful and positive outlook. No use getting my knickers in a twist until I see if other guys can step up.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Heh heh heh. It was on purpose. I'm trying to keep a hopeful and positive outlook. No use getting my knickers in a twist until I see if other guys can step up.

I´m still optimistic as well and consider the Packers one of the favourites to win the Super Bowl. That doesn´t change the fact that losing Nelson is huge.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm not trying to run around being chicken little and saying the sky is falling, because is isn't and I think the Packers can work through the loss of Jordy. What I am saying, is just like ILB this year, I think TT is making a big mistake by sitting on his hands here and saying "don't worry, we got this from within". What happens if Cobb or even Adams gets hurt? Our young but very inexperienced WR's may have a lot of potential, but really? You want to risk being caught with your pants down by not having a another vet in the mix? A vet that would only cost you keeping Myles White?

James Jones is the logical vet to bring in.....he is probably "gettable", knows the system and AR. But at this point, I will take a seasoned NFL Vet over what we have at #5. But bring him in now, while there is time to get some work in. Waiting for one on waivers or one that is sitting unemployed in week 2....isn't going to get you much.

I liken this situation to one we had when AR went down and we spent weeks (and losses) scrambling to find a suitable replacement. Finding it in someone who wasn't even on our Roster when he suffered the injury, Matt Flynn. If AR went down on Saturday, would you be comfortable with Hundley or Blanchard being vicariously close to leading this team?

This is a Super Bowl team, not a rebuilding team. Prepare like you know that TT and get that cupboard fully stocked! Oh and BTW.....your cookie jar runneth over with some rainy day money.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I'm not trying to run around being chicken little and saying the sky is falling, because is isn't and I think the Packers can work through the loss of Jordy. What I am saying, is just like ILB this year, I think TT is making a big mistake by sitting on his hands here and saying "don't worry, we got this from within". What happens if Cobb or even Adams gets hurt? Our young but very inexperienced WR's may have a lot of potential, but really? You want to risk being caught with your pants down by not having a another vet in the mix? A vet that would only cost you keeping Myles White?

James Jones is the logical vet to bring in.....he is probably "gettable", knows the system and AR. But at this point, I will take a seasoned NFL Vet over what we have at #5. But bring him in now, while there is time to get some work in. Waiting for one on waivers or one that is sitting unemployed in week 2....isn't going to get you much.

I liken this situation to one we had when AR went down and we spent weeks (and losses) scrambling to find a suitable replacement. Finding it in someone who wasn't even on our Roster when he suffered the injury, Matt Flynn. If AR went down on Saturday, would you be comfortable with Hundley or Blanchard being vicariously close to leading this team?

I agree that the Packers should bring in a veteran and would prefer James Jones as well. But the situation at wide receiver isn´t even close to the mess the backup QB was entering 2013 though.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I agree that the Packers should bring in a veteran and would prefer James Jones as well. But the situation at wide receiver isn´t even close to the mess the backup QB was entering 2013 though.

Currently, I agree with you...but it very well could be with one injury. This is the situation I want to avoid hearing......"Now starting at WR for the Green Bay Packers....Davante Adams, Jeff Janis and Ty Montgomery"

I pray that we don't see Cobb fielding anymore punts this year!

 

[adambr2]

This is probably THE understatement of the entire offseason. Nelson ranked 7th in receptions, 4th in receiving yards and 2nd in TDs last season, his season-ending injury is a huge loss for the Packers. As of right now the roster includes only two receivers with more than 10 career receptions and one of them has less than 40.

Here are 3 guys who had 0 combined receptions heading into last season: Odell Beckham Jr, Kelvin Benjamin, and Mike Evans. Now, I'm obviously in no way making comparisons or expecting those kind of contributions and I'm 100% with you on Jones. I'm just simply pointing out that experience at WR isn't necessarily a prerequisite to success. Obviously last year's class was a crazy aberration and we can't expect anyone here to duplicate what they did (though none of them had a QB the caliber of Rodgers throwing to them, either ).

Basically, what I'm saying is even if we add no one else, I expect breakout seasons from our WRS just strictly on volume. It's hard not to, barring any more injuries.

Nelson can't be replaced, but it's probable that Adams, Montgomery, Rodgers, and even Janis will all see an uptick due to volume.

 

[TJV]

Just like with the Packers and Jones there´s no guarantee they would be awarded that player off waivers.

Right but there's a huge distinction between Jones and any player the Packers may waive from the Giants point of view.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I pray that we don't see Cobb fielding anymore punts this year!

Agreed, Hyde has been fantastic on punt returns and he should be the primary option.

Here are 3 guys who had 0 combined receptions heading into last season: Odell Beckham Jr, Kelvin Benjamin, and Mike Evans. Now, I'm obviously in no way making comparisons or expecting those kind of contributions and I'm 100% with you on Jones. I'm just simply pointing out that experience at WR isn't necessarily a prerequisite to success. Obviously last year's class was a crazy aberration and we can't expect anyone here to duplicate what they did (though none of them had a QB the caliber of Rodgers throwing to them, either ).

All of the guys you mentioned were picked in the first round though. The Packers roster (aside of Cobb and Adams) includes a third-round pick in Montgomery (who went that high mostly because of his ability to return kicks), a fifth-round pick in Abbrederis who can´t stay healthy, a seventh-round pick in Janis who played in Division II and five undrafted guys.

Furthermore Rodgers doesn´t target inexperienced wide receivers a whole lot because he doesn´t trust them so expecting them to put up numbers even close to Beckham, Benjamin or Evans is completely unrealistic.

 

[adambr2]

Agreed, Hyde has been fantastic on punt returns and he should be the primary option.



All of the guys you mentioned were picked in the first round though. The Packers roster (aside of Cobb and Adams) includes a third-round pick in Montgomery (who went that high mostly because of his ability to return kicks), a fifth-round pick in Abbrederis who can´t stay healthy, a seventh-round pick in Janis who played in Division II and five undrafted guys.

Furthermore Rodgers doesn´t target inexperienced wide receivers a whole lot because he doesn´t trust them so expecting them to put up numbers even close to Beckham, Benjamin or Evans is completely unrealistic.

They were 1st rounders, but they also had Eli Manning, Cam Newton, and Josh McCown throwing them the ball. In any event, I'm not expecting anything close to that kind of production, I stressed that twice. But I do think a rookie season for Montgomery similar to what Davante had last year, a 70 catch, 10 TD campaign for Davante, and 50 catches with around 6 TDs for R. Rodgers are all realistic benchmarks this year.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I could deal with having Odell Beckham Jr, Kelvin Benjamin (pre injury), and Mike Evans on our roster over Montgomery, Janis and White.

Sorry if I keep picking on White, but this is his 3rd year with the Packers. He has 9 catches (all in 2013) and still looks a bit lost to me. But right now he looks like our "best" option at #5 and to me that is rather weak.

 

[adambr2]

Sounds like Jones is a good bet to make the Giants roster now. I'm not sure they'd bite on a trade, and I certainly wouldn't overpay for him.

 

[adambr2]

I could deal with having Odell Beckham Jr, Kelvin Benjamin (pre injury), and Mike Evans on our roster over Montgomery, Janis and White.

Sorry if I keep picking on White, but this is his 3rd year with the Packers. He has 9 catches (all in 2013) and still looks a bit lost to me. But right now he looks like our "best" option at #5 and to me that is rather weak.

To be fair, he's only been active in 7 games and targeted 12 times of which he's caught 9. I don't know how many offensive snaps he's had in those 7 games, I would guess not many.

So it's hard to really know what we have there.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

But I do think a rookie season for Montgomery similar to what Davante had last year, a 70 catch, 10 TD campaign for Davante, and 50 catches with around 6 TDs for R. Rodgers are all realistic benchmarks this year.

I expect Adams to make a significant step as well. On the other hand I think 50 catches is a bit of a reach for Rodgers as well as Montgomery having as much success as Adams had last season.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

To be fair, he's only been active in 7 games and targeted 12 times of which he's caught 9. I don't know how many offensive snaps he's had in those 7 games, I would guess not many.

White played a total of 125 snaps during the 2013 season. He only got significant playing time vs. the Browns and Vikings and combined for six receptions for 44 yards during those games.

 

[Croak]

I´m still optimistic as well and consider the Packers one of the favourites to win the Super Bowl. That doesn´t change the fact that losing Nelson is huge.

Totally agree. But it helps me psychologically to put the best possible *spin* on it.

 

[RRyder]

I expect Adams to make a significant step as well. On the other hand I think 50 catches is a bit of a reach for Rodgers as well as Montgomery having as much success as Adams had last season.

50 catch for Montgomery and Rodgers is definitely aiming high but I think an average of just under 40 catches between Lacy, Rodgers and Montgomery is doable.

Still hard considering Adams and Cobb will be seeing the lions share of throws but if one hits say 45, another 40 and then the third 30 that's accounting for 115 receptions right there. Between 3 players yes but it's a team effort when guys go down.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

50 catch for BOTH Montgomery and Rodgers is definitely aiming high but I think an average of just under 40 catches between Lacy, Rodgers and Montgomery is doable.

Still hard considering Adams and Cobb will be seeing the lions share of throws but if one hits say 45, another 40 and then the third 30 that's a counting for 115 receptions right there. Between 3 players yes but it's a team effort when guys go down.

Lacy had 42 catches last season so expecting him to get 50 this year is realistic. It seems Rodgers has taken a step so he could double his total from 2014. But I think a lot of posters here are way too optimistic about the production out of Montgomery and Janis.

Rodgers doesn´t target inexperienced receivers he doesn´t trust a ton of times and as I´ve mentioned before only Adams, Nelson and Cobb have made more than 10 receptions or 100 receiving yards during their rookie seasons. And all of them were better receivers coming out of college than the current ones behing Cobb and Adams on the depth chart.

 

[Joe Nor Cal Packer]

I seem to remember J0nes dropping his share of passes, not to mention fumbling.

He did have trouble hanging onto the ball. I think he was effective in the red zone. Regardless, I don't like the idea of bringing him back.

 

[Joe Nor Cal Packer]

Lacy had 42 catches last season so expecting him to get 50 this year is realistic. It seems Rodgers has taken a step so he could double his total from 2014. But I think a lot of posters here are way too optimistic about the production out of Montgomery and Janis.

Rodgers doesn´t target inexperienced receivers he doesn´t trust a ton of times and as I´ve mentioned before only Adams, Nelson and Cobb have made more than 10 receptions or 100 receiving yards during their rookie seasons. And all of them were better receivers coming out of college than the current ones behing Cobb and Adams on the depth chart.

I agree about over confidence in Montgomery and Janis. Let's all remember it took Jordy awhile to develop. Montgomery is a lock and I expect Janis will make the 53, but it's premature at best to count on either for regular production. A lot of WR success in GB is the chemistry with ARod and that doesn't happen over night. It happens in real games where ARod sees a weakness and exploits it. The WRs need to pick up on that. Cobb and Nelson have it, Adams will get there, but IMO it's something that takes time, playing together in games that mean something.

 

[RRyder]

Lacy had 42 catches last season so expecting him to get 50 this year is realistic. It seems Rodgers has taken a step so he could double his total from 2014. But I think a lot of posters here are way too optimistic about the production out of Montgomery and Janis.

Rodgers doesn´t target inexperienced receivers he doesn´t trust a ton of times and as I´ve mentioned before only Adams, Nelson and Cobb have made more than 10 receptions or 100 receiving yards during their rookie seasons. And all of them were better receivers coming out of college than the current ones behing Cobb and Adams on the depth chart.

I agree but i dont think hoping for or expecting 30 catches from Montgomery is that unrealistic if he's the #3 WR. And I wasn't even high on him during the draft.

The again 25 catches might be more probable with the added balls that will go Lacy and R. Rodgers way

 

[Joe Nor Cal Packer]

You prefer to go with what we have and yet you don't see white making the 53. So we either go with 4 wideouts or someone else passes him. IMO Jones steps in at #3 at the very least and maybe even #2 to start the season. Looking at our guys I'd take him over Janis or Montgomery at this point. I just don't see a downside in bringing him in even if it costs a low round draft pick.




The Packers let him go because the Raiders offered him more money than they were willing to pay. I'm guessing it wouldn't take anything close to that much to get him back. As for why the Raiders let him go, I don't think anyone really knows. I think it came as a surprise to a lot of people. He was their leading WR in targets and catches (close second in yards) he did have the 3 fumbles and and 5 drops but his drops percentage was below the likes of Gronkowski, Graham, Hilton, Benjamin, oh and some guy named Randall Cobb.

I understand your reasoning to bring back Jones. I don't think it will happen and White will be #5. That's not perfect, but with all due respect Jones is past his prime. I do think he could be helpful in the red zone. At this point GB still has depth at WR and it's best to develop the young guys. If I thought adding Jones would improve GB's SB chances I'd be all for it. But I don't think that's the case. There is no clear answer here. I would simply prefer we go with the guys we've got. I'd be shocked if TT brought Jones back, but who knows?

 

[Joe Nor Cal Packer]

R-E-L-A-X

Best post on this thread!

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I agree about over confidence in Montgomery and Janis. Let's all remember it took Jordy awhile to develop. Montgomery is a lock and I expect Janis will make the 53, but it's premature at best to count on either for regular production. A lot of WR success in GB is the chemistry with ARod and that doesn't happen over night. It happens in real games where ARod sees a weakness and exploits it. The WRs need to pick up on that. Cobb and Nelson have it, Adams will get there, but IMO it's something that takes time, playing together in games that mean something.

Exactly, after listing all the reasons for not getting too excited about Montgomery and Janis I have a hard time understanding why you are against bringing James Jones back.