Jordan Love signed to 4 year fully guaranteed deal

[PackAttack12]

should they ignore it? Our defense still wasn't good enough to win. Our offense scored 26, not enough to win this one, but enough to win in this league most definitely. We played the try to outscore them game for a number of years in this league. it didn't work either.

Go with the Jordan Love kid. See how it works out.

 

[Mondio]

Go with the Jordan Love kid. See how it works out.

I'm not looking forward to that day, don't put that on me. and I was posting in response to it being "sad" that Ted and now Gute have spent too much trying to build the defense and ignored the offense. should they have ignored the defense? it's still not enough.

 

[PackinMSP]

I'm not looking forward to that day, don't put that on me. and I was posting in response to it being "sad" that Ted and now Gute have spent too much trying to build the defense and ignored the offense. should they have ignored the defense? it's still not enough.

Saddest part is.... 27+ years, 2 Top 15 All Time First Ballot HOF QBs and 3 Super Bowl appearances.....

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

should they ignore it? Our defense still wasn't good enough to win. Our offense scored 26, not enough to win this one, but enough to win in this league most definitely. We played the try to outscore them game for a number of years in this league. it didn't work either.

You can disagree with my statement, but that doesn't changed the facts. Check the drafts and fee agent signings for yourself, since you seem to not believe my statement.

Also, I wouldn't necessarily say that our defensive issues are solely due to not enough talent, watch how long Pettine stays employed by the Packers.

 

[Mondio]

You can disagree with my statement, but that doesn't changed the facts. Check the drafts and fee agent signings for yourself, since you seem to not believe my statement.

Also, I wouldn't necessarily say that our defensive issues are solely due to not enough talent, watch how long Pettine stays employed by the Packers.

I asked if they should have ignored it?

I know who we’ve drafted and signed for FAs.
You sad it was sad they’ve spent so much on defense, so what’s the alternative? More offense? I said we tried the just our score them approach already and it wasn’t any better.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

The way AR played this season, may the Texans would trade for him and pay his entire salary. Packers may be able to move on from AR without cutting him.

There's absolutely no reason to move on from Rodgers to save $5 million in cap space for next season after him performing at an MVP level this season.

i think he kinda knows this was his last season in GB. his happy go lucky demeanor this season, and his great disappointment today, may be result of that knowledge. retirement, traded with permission, or allowed to walk (and find his own deal) are very strong possibilities. all would benefit the Packers in clear and obvious ways. it's not going to be boring that's for sure. lol

I highly doubt this was Rodgers' last season with the Packers. It should be clear and obvious to everyone the team wouldn't benefit by moving on from the MVP.

They're either at mortgage everything and hope for all the right moves for another year, or get started on the future.

The Packers should take advantage of having a quarterback playing at an MVP level as long as they can. There's no guarantee they will be able to find even a decent successor.

You sad it was sad they’ve spent so much on defense, so what’s the alternative? More offense? I said we tried the just our score them approach already and it wasn’t any better.

It would be have a decent alternative to not spend the team's first rounder on a player not being active once all season.

 

[Mondio]

It would be have a decent alternative to not spend the team's first rounder on a player not being active once all season.

that's all fine and well, and discussed ad nauseam after the draft. No need to get into it again. But then even for someone like you who likes to cut any statement and find the one part he can say something about, we both know that Jordan love was not , sadly, another defensive pick.

 

[gbgary]

Enjoy 6 wins..... *****

i get that may be a good possibility but is winning 10 and drafting in the low-mid 20's really any better?
i'm not saying he won't be the QB next season. he most likely will be...but i am saying they have a chance to set the table for Love by being able to keep anyone they want, including Jones, from this roster and be able to add to it.
i'm not saying letting him walk is the only option either. a trade may be the best option (there are issues there to consider too) but even if it comes down to letting him walk it's still a plus for GB. yes they'll only save $5m for 2021 but they'll also free up $40m for the 2022 cap to keep/build the roster.
like i said this offseason won't be boring.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

that's all fine and well, and discussed ad nauseam after the draft. No need to get into it again.

Actually after falling short of winning the Super Bowl once again, pretty close I might add, I think there are a ton of reasons to get into Gutekunst's decision to use the team's first rounder on a quarterback once again.

i'm not saying letting him walk is the only option either. a trade may be the best option (there are issues there to consider too) but even if it comes down to letting him walk it's still a plus for GB. yes they'll only save $5m for 2021 but they'll also free up $40m for the 2022 cap to keep/build the roster.

It would be a terrible decision to move on from Rodgers to save $5 million in cap space for next season considering he performed at an MVP level in 2020. Actually it would be smart to restructure his deal and finally go all-in to win another championship while he's still around.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

lock me out of this one please. I`m getting tired of the Love hatred when the guy hasn`t even thrown a ****ing ball for us yet. Thank you

 

[Deleted member 6794]

lock me out of this one please. I`m getting tired of the Love hatred when the guy hasn`t even thrown a ******* ball for us yet. Thank you

Actually this has nothing to do with Love at all. He might develop into the next elite quarterback for the Packers or end up being a bust, nobody knows about it at this point.

There's no doubt the Packers would have benefitted by using their first rounder on a player who actually got on the field this season though.

 

[Mondio]

Actually after falling short of winning the Super Bowl once again, pretty close I might add, I think there are a ton of reasons to get into Gutekunst's decision to use the team's first rounder on a quarterback once again.



It would be a terrible decision to move on from Rodgers to save $5 million in cap space for next season considering he performed at an MVP level in 2020. Actually it would be smart to restructure his deal and finally go all-in to win another championship while he's still around.

oh, so you want to tell us someone else besides an inactive QB could have done more? great, i think everyone already knows that. Who would have thought it would be possible at one point in time to have someone produce more than someone who didn't play.

It's also possible that it was the right decision and that has been discussed at great length already. you have something new to add?

what if they drafted an Ahmad Carrol clone instead? plays a lot f snaps and gives up 4 first downs on penalties allowing TB to score even more? It's easy to say, someone else could have been better than someone who didn't play. But we all know QB's are different animals when it comes to this.

It's easy to play whatifs with something that will never happen. What if they draft a stud linebacker who has a career ending neck injury year one, and Rodgers retires next year or demands a trade? What if Rodgers plays 4 more years and then Love takes over and it's just like Favre to Rodgers? what if?

 

[Sanguine camper]

With the rules protecting quarterbacks and receivers, teams don't draft qb's in the first round to let them rot on the bench. With the Packers in salary cap hell, Bahktiari out for much of 2021 and a coaching staff that rewards failure by keeping Menenga and Petine around much too long, the super bowl window has been slammed shut by the Niners and Bucs and any other team with a good front seven on defense. Jordan Love needs playing time. It makes sense to play him next season. The sooner the better. If he's a bust, the Packers can move on from him more easily if they can trade Rodgers for a high first round draft pick. What does it benefit the Packers to go go 10-6 next year, get late draft picks and habitually choke again in the playoffs? Let the Jordan Love era begin. The entire 2020 draft was all about the Jordan Love era. Gute is already on board.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

With the rules protecting quarterbacks and receivers, teams don't draft qb's in the first round to let them rot on the bench. With the Packers in salary cap hell, Bahktiari out for much of 2021 and a coaching staff that rewards failure by keeping Menenga and Petine around much too long, the super bowl window has been slammed shut by the Niners and Bucs and any other team with a good front seven on defense. Jordan Love needs playing time. It makes sense to play him next season. The sooner the better. If he's a bust, the Packers can move on from him more easily if they can trade Rodgers for a high first round draft pick. What does it benefit the Packers to go go 10-6 next year, get late draft picks and habitually choke again in the playoffs? Let the Jordan Love era begin. The entire 2020 draft was all about the Jordan Love era. Gute is already on board.

I get peoples frustration and disappointment, but I am really happy that the Packers didn't take this "time to start over" approach after last seasons throttling in the NFCCG by the 49'ers. As well as after the loss to the Seahawks in 2014 and the Falcons in 2016. We would be in a constant state of chasing our tail and start fielding teams like Cleveland or Jacksonville.

It would be silly for me to not say that an NFL teams ultimate goal is to win a Super Bowl EVERY season. However, for those who think anything but that is a failure, are setting themselves up for a real bummer at the end of most seasons. To further believe that a team that has made the NFCCG 4 times in the last 7 seasons needs to give up on the one guy that was responsible for getting them to each of those games is one of the craziest things I have heard.

Close your eyes and imagine the Packers this season with Boyle or Love running the show.....now multiply that by 10+ more seasons. Or better yet, just pull film of the Packers in the 80's.

Also, anyone wanting to use the "see I told you Love was a bust" argument for why you don't trade Rodgers and start Love as a solution right now are stretching things. Look long term people, this isn't just about 1 Super Bowl Trophy and if you don't believe that, ask fans of The Tennessee Titans, San Diego Chargers, Philadelphia Eagles, Minnesota Vikings, Jacksonville Jaguars, Houston Texans, Detroit Lions, Cleveland Browns, Cincinnati Bengals, Carolina Panthers, Buffalo Bills, Atlanta Falcons, and Arizona Cardinals. Those are fan bases that have never even seen a Lombardi Trophy and for most of them, even getting into the playoffs is a huge accomplishment.

Last thought. I wonder if New England Fans are happy that Belichick didn't trade Brady and go into rebuild mode after the 2013 Season and the Patriots 2nd consecutive AFCCG loss?

 

[Sanguine camper]

I get peoples frustration and disappointment, but I am really happy that the Packers didn't take this "time to start over" approach after last seasons throttling in the NFCCG by the 49'ers. As well as after the loss to the Seahawks in 2014 and the Falcons in 2016. We would be in a constant state of chasing our tail and start fielding teams like Cleveland or Jacksonville.

It would be silly for me to not say that an NFL teams ultimate goal is to win a Super Bowl EVERY season. However, for those who think anything but that is a failure, are setting themselves up for a real bummer at the end of most seasons. To further believe that a team that has made the NFCCG 4 times in the last 7 seasons needs to give up on the one guy that was responsible for getting them to each of those games is one of the craziest things I have heard.

Close your eyes and imagine the Packers this season with Boyle or Love running the show.....now multiply that by 10+ more seasons. Or better yet, just pull film of the Packers in the 80's.

Also, anyone wanting to use the "see I told you Love was a bust" argument for why you don't trade Rodgers and start Love as a solution right now are stretching things. Look long term people, this isn't just about 1 Super Bowl Trophy and if you don't believe that, ask fans of The Tennessee Titans, San Diego Chargers, Philadelphia Eagles, Minnesota Vikings, Jacksonville Jaguars, Houston Texans, Detroit Lions, Cleveland Browns, Cincinnati Bengals, Carolina Panthers, Buffalo Bills, Atlanta Falcons, and Arizona Cardinals. Those are fan bases that have never even seen a Lombardi Trophy and for most of them, even getting into the playoffs is a huge accomplishment.

Last thought. I wonder if New England Fans are happy that Belichick didn't trade Brady and go into rebuild mode after the 2013 Season and the Patriots 2nd consecutive AFCCG loss?

It depends on whether the Super Bowl window is shut or not to go with a first round draft pick. There is a lot of evidence to point that the window is shut. Ignoring that evidence is what's crazy. It also depends on how you measure success. If its merely getting to the nfccg, then the Packers are a success. If you abide by Lombardi's standard like I do, then any season without a championship is a failure. The Packers will need to play Love soon, whether its 2021 or 2022. Sooner is better is you face up to the mountain of evidence showing that the super bowl window is shut.

 

[Mondio]

Failing to win a championship and being a failure are not the same thing. Lombardi knew that, others don't. They also don't realize that holding other people you have zero influence on to a standard you likely don't hold yourself to on a day to day basis doesn't mean much.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It depends on whether the Super Bowl window is shut or not to go with a first round draft pick. There is a lot of evidence to point that the window is shut. Ignoring that evidence is what's crazy. It also depends on how you measure success. If its merely getting to the nfccg, then the Packers are a success. If you abide by Lombardi's standard like I do, then any season without a championship is a failure. The Packers will need to play Love soon, whether its 2021 or 2022. Sooner is better is you face up to the mountain of evidence showing that the super bowl window is shut.

I get the Lombardi philosophy, but to hold it as an "all or nothing" doctrine is not something I choose to do. By that standard, 31 teams fail every season. This past season was super entertaining, rewarding and thrilling for me. While winning 2 more games would have added to that pleasure, not winning them doesn't remove the pleasure I already experienced.

Personally, if I had to choose a time frame of Packer teams to follow and the 2 choices were:

1. Packer Team from 1966 - 1991 (25 years, 2 Championships)
2. Packer Team from 1995 - 2020 (25 years, 2 Championships)

My answer would be simple.....the 95-20 Packers. So many more wins and entertaining seasons, yet both achieved the "ultimate goal" only twice in those 25 years.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It depends on whether the Super Bowl window is shut or not to go with a first round draft pick. There is a lot of evidence to point that the window is shut. Ignoring that evidence is what's crazy.

So how does starting Love change this and "open the window"? What type of "evidence" are you going off of that points to a shut window?

I'm curious, in seasons where your evidence points to the window being shut, do you watch games?

 

[gopkrs]

Even if Love does not suit up next year; it does not mean a thing. People saying it means something that he did not suit up this year don't know what they are talking about.

 

[pacmaniac]

Personally, if I had to choose a time frame of Packer teams to follow and the 2 choices were:

1. Packer Team from 1966 - 1991 (25 years, 2 Championships)
2. Packer Team from 1995 - 2020 (25 years, 2 Championships)

My answer would be simple.....the 95-20 Packers. So many more wins and entertaining seasons, yet both achieved the "ultimate goal" only twice in those 25 years.

Not sure why your first period starts from 1966, and ignores the other championships from earlier in the decade?

 

[swhitset]

So how does starting Love change this and "open the window"? What type of "evidence" are you going off of that points to a shut window?

I'm curious, in seasons where your evidence points to the window being shut, do you watch games?

His evidence is agenda driven.... it’s not evidence.

 

[Half Empty]

Not sure why your first period starts from 1966, and ignores the other championships from earlier in the decade?

Maybe to make it 25 years in each. However, you bring up what I was going to do. Having been in Wisconsin before, during, and after Lombardi, the '5 for 7' period stored up enough memories that the dark ages were much easier to handle. And that doesn't take into consideration that that era established the Packer mystique forever. Following SBII, it became obvious they weren't going to do anything impressive season-to-season, so expectations became game-to-game. That was the only timeframe during which I understood the 'a win is a win' philosophy.

 

[swhitset]

Not sure why your first period starts from 1966, and ignores the other championships from earlier in the decade?

Because he was making a specific point about perspective.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Not sure why your first period starts from 1966, and ignores the other championships from earlier in the decade?

Some how you quoted me, but it said you were quoting Mondio.

Anyway, I tried to choose 2 time periods, both of 25 years and both containing 2 Super Bowl wins, since a SB win is what the poster I was addressing seemed to think was the litmus test for success or failure. This wasn't necessarily trying to find a time period where one team was more dominant or which team would beat the other, etc. It was merely pointing out the "fan experience" over 2 completely different 25 years of following the Packers and 2 Super Bowl wins during that time.

 

[pacmaniac]

Failing to win a championship and being a failure are not the same thing. Lombardi knew that, others don't. They also don't realize that holding other people you have zero influence on to a standard you likely don't hold yourself to on a day to day basis doesn't mean much.

My job isn't one that has winners and losers. Although I did participate in an athletic tournament a couple years ago and finished second. That was extremely disappointing and I still see it as a failure. Sadly due to the pandemic I haven't had a chance to redeem myself.