Jordan Love signed to 4 year fully guaranteed deal

[tynimiller]

I don't disagree with you on the fact that there is a high probability of what you said happening. My point was that I hope it doesn't happen once again. I am all over the "development and great special teams players" taking up your #5 and #6 WR spots, but that hasn't been the story for quite some time. I wasn't a Jeff Janis fan, because he wasn't an NFL caliber WR, but at least he made up for it by being a real good special teams player for a few seasons. Would love to find a young version of Ervin in the draft or a FA version of a veteran like Cordelle Patterson. Limited Cap space, other needs, might very well leave fans like myself still wanting more from the WR room in 2022. Let's just hope we can pay Adams and keep him with the Packers for years to come.

I think you have way too unrealistic expectations out of your #5 and #6 WR spots. I actually believe we are going to see Gute draft a guy that will be that sparkplug type RAC slot/jet sweep guy (think Toney, Moore, Whop, Moore) OR a true blue potential X or Z type WR...there is a realistic chance both happen with some of the hybrid running backs and such. The issue with addressing the WR position is it uses up precious draft capital when CB, iDL , OL are clearly of more need...and one could argue LB and EDGE are equals in need to WR.

It's like the latest Mock I did, Toney fell to me at #29...which is not crazy unrealistic, especially if Smith/Weddle don't go with the first 7 or so picks. That draft I tried to minimize trading, I love back and then up scenarios, but I did use precious 2022 draft capital to trade up for a CB as we got behind the 8 ball very quickly not going CB at 29

#29 - Toney WR
#61 - Chazz Surratt LB
#76 - Paulson Adebo CB (2022 3rd and a this year 4th)
#92 - Hunter Long TE
#133 - Jaylen Twyman iDL
#172 - Patrick Johnson EDGE
#178 - Simi Fehoko WR (him and that Illini WR are becoming two I LOVE)
#209 Brenden Jaimes OT
#217 Bryan Mills CB
#241 CJ Marable RB (got in trade up)
#252 Syrus Tuitele OT (TALL, raw, may need to swing inside even)

So getting the offensive weapons triggered three fall out affects...we don't get a Tier 2 CB IMO. Adebo is a guy I love, but he walks into a starting role for sure, but will have issues rookie year of course we have to suffer through.

It also pushed us down the board on iDL...Twyman taking 2020 off is concerning for technique growth and such.

The offensive line gets neglected. Jaimes I think could walk in and play RT, but most likely scenario is he is a year away, Tuitele is two years away from competing for a spot IMO.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I think you have way too unrealistic expectations out of your #5 and #6 WR spots.

How is asking to have guys that are either good special teams players or have good development potential unrealistic to expect? I would say you have unrealistically low expectations if you are happy with guys we have seen over the last 2 seasons as our #5 or #6. Guys like Darrius Shepherd, Malik Taylor, Begelton, Jake Kumerow, Trevor Davis. Kumerow and Davis were actually even higher on the depth chart. I won't even get into Allison and Lazard as your #2.

I know you don't agree with me, but I think Aaron Rodgers has allowed the Packer organization to go cheap on their WR investments, simply because he can often do more with less. While I think that generally works just fine with MLF's offense, we have all seen what happens when Rodgers and his receiver group runs up against really fast and talented defenses.

Unless you count MVS, the Packers have not had a successful draft pick at WR since 2014 when they grabbed Adams. However, when you look at the 7 players they did draft, a 3rd rounder (Montgomery) was the highest pick they used, so it doesn't really shock me that we are have been discussing this for 2+ years. Actually reminds me a bit of the ILB situation for many years.

 

[tynimiller]

I haven't been satisfied at all by the development, but I also know for example what arguably the best candidate for development has been through in EQ. Dude cannot stay healthy, finally this year he stays somewhat healthy and to be honest had a bunch of first year like growing pain problems. Malik is a guy that I'd say has actually progressed quite well given he started with nearly zero expectations.

I just will never expect my 5th or 6th WRs to be difference makers, they're next or two years from now difference makers forming maybe but not presently. The only exception to this is if you have a return specialist type guy or a rookie that can run returns until they refine their WR abilities to get more snaps there (ala Cobb type situation).

 

[Heyjoe4]

This coming year is his prove it season, and by prove it I am most likely talking a one year reasonable contract for 2022 depending on everything else. Lot depends on if Funchess plays and what we draft this year or bring in....don't be shocked if Malik Taylor or Begelton now a year in show more promise than EQ and they overtake him too.

I don't think Taylor can overtake EQ and, IMO, doubt that he (Taylor) will be back. He's at best a #4 or 5 WR and he doesn't add much to STs.

And I'd be surprised if EQ is back. He just hasn't shown anything, and the drop on the two-point conversion versus the Bucs is an ugly last impression.

All that said, the WR group may look very much the same, or retooled by Gluten through the draft and maybe FA (the Pack just doesn't have cap room to be serious in FA). Who knows? I'd start with Adams, Lazard, and MVS as locks, and then create a solid competition for the other two spots. I think MVS did just enough last year to be back as the #3 WR. Tons of talent, needs to believe in himself. He showed some improvement this year, and he's the only real home-run guy among the WRs.

 

[tynimiller]

I don't think Taylor can overtake EQ and, IMO, doubt that he (Taylor) will be back. He's at best a #4 or 5 WR and he doesn't add much to STs.

And I'd be surprised if EQ is back. He just hasn't shown anything, and the drop on the two-point conversion versus the Bucs is an ugly last impression.

All that said, the WR group may look very much the same, or retooled by Gluten through the draft and maybe FA (the Pack just doesn't have cap room to be serious in FA). Who knows? I'd start with Adams, Lazard, and MVS as locks, and then create a solid competition for the other two spots. I think MVS did just enough last year to be back as the #3 WR. Tons of talent, needs to believe in himself. He showed some improvement this year, and he's the only real home-run guy among the WRs.

I know some will call me nuts but Gute is going to add at minimum one receiving threat type receiver.

I don't say WR, because a guy like Demetric Felton could be the pick or a Toney...a RB/WR that is deadly with manufactured touches, handoffs and out of the slot. OR we take another swing at the tall possession type Gute seems to like and see if we can have a guy drafted illustrate the ability to be dependable and develop into something more to at minimum overtake EQ's role and possibly pressure Lazard some if not their rookie season definitely their second year. The nice thing is there are some guys to love in each of those categories early and late in the draft. Mark it down though Gute will get one I guarantee.

Even like CJ Marable out of Coastal Carolina come to mind which is very good in the passing game and could easily perform some in the SLOT.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Until the draft changes things or a FA comes in, there is zero reason to believe otherwise. Personally depending on what type of WR is drafted (as I think we do draft one) Begelton on the PS could end up being the only one in GB next year - but right now with what we have before us one of these 3 for sure are roster holders.

There's zero reason to believe the roster will look the same entering next season as it does at this point.

Of course Gutekunst would have to address the wide receiver position either via free agency or the draft but I hope that will happen this offseason.

I'm fine with having either Begelton or Taylor on the practice squad but they shouldn't be on the active roster.

EQ needs to make a big jump to justify consideration for making the 53.

The issue with addressing the WR position is it uses up precious draft capital when CB, iDL , OL are clearly of more need...and one could argue LB and EDGE are equals in need to WR.

I agree that after the way the offense performed in 2020 there are more pressing needs to address this offseason.

As long as the Packers keep Preston Smith edge rusher isn't one of them though.

I just will never expect my 5th or 6th WRs to be difference makers, they're next or two years from now difference makers forming maybe but not presently.

I don't think anyone is expecting the #5 or #6 wide receiver to be a difference maker. It would be nice to have some guys with an upside or contributions on special teams at the positions though.

 

[sundown]

don’t know about this one....
I understand where you guys are coming from this season. Boyle knew the offense better and it being a COVID year but next year? Really? Love still being the #3 behind Boyle isn’t a good thing.

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I agree ,the Packers traded UP to get Love so if he doesn't beat out Boyle next year that i think would not be good at all.

 

[OldSchool101]

https://www.wisn.com/article/ready-...ckers-qb-can-be-perennial-pro-bowler/36579605

Here’s a nice little recent snippet on Love by a profession QB trainer (worked with names like Foles and Wilson) who has worked with Love as a client for 8 years

 

[longtimefan]

https://www.wisn.com/article/ready-...ckers-qb-can-be-perennial-pro-bowler/36579605

Here’s a nice little recent snippet on Love by a profession QB trainer (worked with names like Foles and Wilson) who has worked with Love as a client for 8 years

this is where the non "love" people say you cant trust this guy

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

this is where the non "love" people say you cant trust this guy

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[G0P4ckG0]

https://www.wisn.com/article/ready-...ckers-qb-can-be-perennial-pro-bowler/36579605

Here’s a nice little recent snippet on Love by a profession QB trainer (worked with names like Foles and Wilson) who has worked with Love as a client for 8 years

A few things stood out....

"His life is about to drastically change."

"Love and Rodgers HAD a good relationship."

Hmmmm