It’s now OFFICIAL!!! Rodgers has been traded to the Jets.

[milani]

Well, let's take a closer look at the performance of the team's Hackett was the offensive coordinator on.

The Bills definitely didn't put up impressive numbers in his two seasons but finishing 22nd and 18th in points scored isn't terrible either considering EJ Manuel, Thaddeus Lewis, Jeff Tuel and Kyle Orton were the quarterbacks who started games for them in 2013 and '14.

In 2017, the Jaguars offense was actually pretty good, finishing in fifth in points scored with Blake Bortles starting every single game. They significantly regressed next season finishing 31st but there's no doubt Hackett did a good job running their offense in 2017.

Once again, I'm not suggesting he was the main reason for the Packers offense to do well but he wasn't a puppet only either. There's no doubt he struggled mightily as a head coach with the Broncos last season but that's not his job moving forward with the Jets next season.



You continue to act as if it's fact the offensive philosophy changed drastically in 2022 yet the numbers don't support that. Rodgers didn't line up in the shotgun significantly more and still used play action on a similar percentage of his dropbacks compared to the previous two seasons.

While Rodgers not performing up to potential factored into the offense struggling a lack of talent at pass catchers as well as injuries on the offensive line had a more significant impact on the unit.



Rodgers earned a ton of money during the 2020 and '21 seasons as well. I don't believe him signing an extension (which ended up being a one-year, $42 million deal with the Packers) had any impact on the offensive philosophy.



Once again, the numbers don't support your take on it at all.



The number of snaps the Jets' defense ends up playing won't have any impact on the percentage of offensive snaps Rodgers is taking.



How will it be possible for the Jets to not be mathematically eliminated until the last week of the regular season while finishing 2-15?



Once again, I definitely like that the compensation the Packers receive in 2024 is solely based on Rodgers' playing time. Aside of an injury it's all but guaranteed he will play at least 65% of the snaps which will result in Green Bay getting a first rounder next year no matter how he ends up performing. That could result in an early pick as well. If it would have been based on performance there would have been no way for them to get a first rounder in return if the Jets end up struggling.

As far as the Jets defense Rodgers knows that they came into Lambeau and humiliated us. It tells him that he could win with the other side of the ball playing like that. As far as the fall off of 2022 you can call out Rodgers' performance but you can also measure the loss of ADAMS along with EQ and MVS. Just having Adams on the field forced defenses to play much differently. And it forced Rodgers to play differently, something he could not succeed doing. Ironic, but I had more confidence in Favre gunslinging on teams that had few weapons and average defenses than I did with Rodgers under the same circumstances.

 

[OldSchool101]

I’m not sure if you guys saw. Billy Turner signed a 1 year deal with the Jets. That was a good cheap signing for an experience RG/RT. Obviously the Jets signed an immediate starter capable at Center (Tippmann)from WI at #43 overall.
RB, Israel Abakanda was a very good selection to open Round 5. That guy is really dynamic, with legit 4.4 speed and burst (41” vertical) at 217lbs. Abakanda Is tough as nails. When playing VATech with a recent shoulder injury, he put up you know.. a modest 320 yards!! That passed Tony Dorsette’s 303 yard game record for the Panthers. He also posted a 29.4 Kick return average and 1,800+ All Purpose and 21 TD’s last season alone

I don’t think NY is finished adding Offensive components either. They grabbed TE Zack Kuntz and T Carter Warren for depth pieces and that Kuntz kid is as athletic as they come

 

[Deleted member 6794]

And yet, he took Lazard and Cobb with him to the Jets. Not talented enough, but talented enough to take to the Jets.

The difference being that the Jets won't expect Lazard to be a #1 receiver as well as Cobb being a starter either.

So now AR has the same amount of receiver talent as he had last season with the Packers. Watson as a rookie was almost as good as fellow rookie Wilson by the end of the season. Aaron Jones and AJ Dillon were much better than any RB the Jets had as a receiver, and only a slight edge to Jets in TE dept.

You're completely fooling yourself believe Watson performed on the same level as Wilson. That guy had 83 for 1,103 yards with Zach Wilson, Joe Flacco and Mike White starting last season. In addition they have Corey Davis and Mecole Hardman on the roster resulting in a much improved receiving corps compared to the Packers last season.

It's entirely possible Cobb ends up being cut before week 1.

I hope we resign him. Still an effective blocker and a guy you definitely want around the young and impressionable rookies.

Double standards, eh? You advocate for the Packers to sign Lewis to help develop young players but take issue with the Jets signing Cobb to do the same.

2) Many aspects of the offensive shifts that I'm referring to aren't measurable, at least not in what is usually publicly available.

True, but the ones that are don't support your opinion.

 

[AmishMafia]

You're completely fooling yourself believe Watson performed on the same level as Wilson. That guy had 83 for 1,103 yards with Zach Wilson, Joe Flacco and Mike White starting last season. In addition they have Corey Davis and Mecole Hardman on the roster resulting in a much improved receiving corps compared to the Packers last season.

Over the final 8 games:

Wilson 41/580/2
Watson 52/500/7

It's entirely possible Cobb ends up being cut before week 1.

You think Rodgers will allow that?

Double standards, eh? You advocate for the Packers to sign Lewis to help develop young players but take issue with the Jets signing Cobb to do the same.

I took no issue with the Jets signing Cobb. Why would I care? I do find it funny that they are signing Packer WR when the mantra from the Rodgers Worshipers is that he had no WR talent to work with.

Their WR room already has some veterans while our TE has 2 rookies and 2 young marginal players. Completely different.

My appreciation of Mercedes Lewis is that he is still a good player and an outstanding human. An excellent role model who works hard and goes out of his way to help younger players with their skills and knowledge. Think about that next time you watch an old Packer game and Rodgers is sitting by himself on the bench while the WRs are huddled up with the OC discussing the game.

 

[Dantés]

The difference being that the Jets won't expect Lazard to be a #1 receiver as well as Cobb being a starter either.



You're completely fooling yourself believe Watson performed on the same level as Wilson. That guy had 83 for 1,103 yards with Zach Wilson, Joe Flacco and Mike White starting last season. In addition they have Corey Davis and Mecole Hardman on the roster resulting in a much improved receiving corps compared to the Packers last season.

It's entirely possible Cobb ends up being cut before week 1.



Double standards, eh? You advocate for the Packers to sign Lewis to help develop young players but take issue with the Jets signing Cobb to do the same.



True, but the ones that are don't support your opinion.

It’s not an opinion. It was an observable reality on the field.

 

[Mondio]

My appreciation of Mercedes Lewis is that he is still a good player and an outstanding human. An excellent role model who works hard and goes out of his way to help younger players with their skills and knowledge. Think about that next time you watch an old Packer game and Rodgers is sitting by himself on the bench while the WRs are huddled up with the OC discussing the game.

But we've also heard from young WR's to DL to DB's all say Rodgers was always available to help them. Whether answering questions or testing in practice and discussing later the what's and why's.

I'd also say that everything you said about Mercedes, holds true for Cobb.

 

[AmishMafia]

But we've also heard from young WR's to DL to DB's all say Rodgers was always available to help them. Whether answering questions or testing in practice and discussing later the what's and why's.

All I can tell you is what I see during games and a few practices. Maybe the presence of a horse and buggy puts him in a different mood.

After reports that he wasn't liked by most of his teammates, he was a different person at TC last year. He did seem friendlier and communicative with teammates, in the training camp practices.

I'd also say that everything you said about Mercedes, holds true for Cobb.

Yes, i agree. It was Capts' strawman argument that I was calling the Jets' signing Cobb a mistake.

 

[Mondio]

All I can tell you is what I see during games and a few practices. Maybe the presence of a horse and buggy puts him in a different mood.

After reports that he wasn't liked by most of his teammates, he was a different person at TC last year. He did seem friendlier and communicative with teammates, in the training camp practices.


Yes, i agree. It was Capts' strawman argument that I was calling the Jets' signing Cobb a mistake.

I find horses and buggys to be calming.

Unless that Buggy is called Bill and he's showing his nipples again, that'll disturb about anybody.

 

[lambeaulambo]

I find horses and buggys to be calming.

Unless that Buggy is called Bill and he's showing his nipples again, that'll disturb about anybody.

thats the last time we will use the word buggy and horse in the same sentence. The jets now need to sign Crosby and Bakhtiari to make the transition complete.

 

[OldSchool101]

thats the last time we will use the word buggy and horse in the same sentence. The jets now need to sign Crosby and Bakhtiari to make the transition complete.

Hey. If they gave us a Future 2nd Rounder for Bak and took his contract I’d be ok with that. I might even throw in Mason

 

[swhitset]

I`m hoping this wasn`t a SERIOUS reply ?

Why not? I don’t particularly like him as a person, but to deny those facts about the player is being purposefully obtuse.

 

[longtimefan]

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[Deleted member 6794]

Over the final 8 games:

Wilson 41/580/2
Watson 52/500/7

Well, you need to take the Jets' quarterbacks struggling mightily over those games into consideration. For example they didn't throw a touchdown in six of those games.

You think Rodgers will allow that?

I'm quite sure Rodgers would be on board with the Jets moving on from Cobb if there are five better receivers on the roster.

I took no issue with the Jets signing Cobb. Why would I care? I do find it funny that they are signing Packer WR when the mantra from the Rodgers Worshipers is that he had no WR talent to work with.

It's different as Lazard will most likely be the #3 receiver and Cobb fifth on the depth chart though.

It’s not an opinion. It was an observable reality on the field.

As long as you can't support it with facts it's just an opinion.

After reports that he wasn't liked by most of his teammates, he was a different person at TC last year.

Link?

Hey. If they gave us a Future 2nd Rounder for Bak and took his contract I’d be ok with that. I might even throw in Mason

The Packers would take a cap hit of $38 million in dead money by moving on from Bakhtiari. There's no way around that.

 

[milani]

Hey. If they gave us a Future 2nd Rounder for Bak and took his contract I’d be ok with that. I might even throw in Mason

Definitely take his contract.

 

[Schultz]

Hey. If they gave us a Future 2nd Rounder for Bak and took his contract I’d be ok with that. I might even throw in Mason

IMO. It has been quite telling how people have let their dislike for Rodgers carry over to them now writing off players considered his "friends" in their comments. Very interesting. Yet it is the Rodgers "apologists" who are the problem. Very interesting. IMO.

 

[Dantés]

As long as you can't support it with facts it's just an opinion.

The fact is that the offense was different. That was an observable reality on the field. If you didn't notice or don't remember, that's fine. I do not feel compelled to convince you.

The opinion is why it was different. I happily concur that it's my opinion/theory that Rodgers was exerting leverage to make it so. I feel really good about that opinion, but obviously I cannot prove it because I don't have any direct evidence of what was going on within the organization.

 

[lambeaulambo]

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How dare you forget Boyle and Billy Turner! lol

 

[rmontro]

I don't know if I'd call this a theory, but I wonder about it. Remember the story Greg Jennings told about how they were playing the 49ers, and it was the last year on Jennings contract, and Rodgers told the 49ers "You should sign him at the end of the year"? That seemed to be the source for most of Jennings' irritation with Rodgers, and honestly I can't really blame him. Rodgers was probably joking, but he shouldn't have said that to the other team, and Jennings took it personally.

I wonder if that story has anything to do with how Rodgers has been going to bat for his friends that he liked playing with, and insisting the Packers (and now the Jets) sign them? Maybe he learned something form the Jennings incident, and has been trying to do the opposite?

 

[OldSchool101]

IMO. It has been quite telling how people have let their dislike for Rodgers carry over to them now writing off players considered his "friends" in their comments. Very interesting. Yet it is the Rodgers "apologists" who are the problem. Very interesting. IMO.

You’ve got me confused with someone else. My thoughts are two-fold
1. We have an oft injured LT on the back 9 of his career. I think he’s overpaid considering how much time he’s missed/age etc. but as Captain pointed out we’re contractually stuck
2. We’re in a mini-rebuild and we need to look to the next LT of the future (I’m talking the next 10 seasons). This isn’t anything personal for me, I’m just not one to get stuck in the emotions of players. I just want what’s best for everyone involved

That said. Bak is inevitably linked to Rodgers and by his own choice. The Packers did the right thing in distancing themselves from Aaron. That breakup was at least 1 year overdue. It’s time to build around our new QB and Bak is the “Old Guard” (pun intended!)

See you take me as a grudge holder and I’m not anywhere close to that. I still fraternize with you don’t I? I love those I disagree with and try hard to respect them, but I’m not perfect either. See, The Lord told me long ago that we are not going be judged by how others act a fool. I will however be judged by how I respond (or react) to those folks I disagree. It’s easy to love those who love you, even hypocrites do that. So I can’t control how Aaron or anyone else acts, I can only control my response to it.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yup, really seems like the Jets HC, Robert Saleh thinks that it is a waste of time for Rodgers to be at OTA's.

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[JK64]

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WRONG! Haha.

 

[JK64]

I'm going to go back a little farther. When MM was running the offense well; everything was fine. Then, all of a sudden, nobody could get open. MM was sending receivers into the same areas...lot of problems. And MM could/would not change his style even though defenses had gotten his number. Rodgers got frustrated and since then has not been the same. He is a control freak. With all the talk about his sort of hippie ways; he does not flow with it. I think that has been a big problem. And no going back for Rodgers for now jimho.

MM should have been fired a lot sooner.

 

[JK64]

And yet, he took Lazard and Cobb with him to the Jets. Not talented enough, but talented enough to take to the Jets.

Good point. I think it's more of a comfort zone thing.

 

[milani]

MM should have been fired a lot sooner.

Yes. And he still could have coached elsewhere but his time in GB had elapsed.

 

[Zartan]

I don't know if I'd call this a theory, but I wonder about it. Remember the story Greg Jennings told about how they were playing the 49ers, and it was the last year on Jennings contract, and Rodgers told the 49ers "You should sign him at the end of the year"? That seemed to be the source for most of Jennings' irritation with Rodgers, and honestly I can't really blame him. Rodgers was probably joking, but he shouldn't have said that to the other team, and Jennings took it personally.

I wonder if that story has anything to do with how Rodgers has been going to bat for his friends that he liked playing with, and insisting the Packers (and now the Jets) sign them? Maybe he learned something form the Jennings incident, and has been trying to do the opposite?

I still think Jennings took that joke a bit too seriously. Dont think Rodgers really ment it and a poor joke was taken the wrong way.