Is this the worst draft in this decade for the Packers?

[Do7]

I just don't really understand why we're so insistent on gearing our offense toward a smashmouth type strategy that is frankly kind out of outdated and relies heavily on defense. Not many championships have been won on the back of this idea in this era and the ones that did almost always had an elite defense to complement it.

Tennessee didn't have a wildly successful offense under MLF and didn't really find success until Henry broke out in '19. You could point to the '17 Rams but Goff really broke out that year and they also had some very good receivers, and used Gurley out of the backfield much more frequently.

I'd rather build the Chiefs' offense and outscore everyone and not have to have an elite defense out of necessity to win a championship, frankly.

Basically the 2011 Packers offense?

 

[adambr2]

Basically the 2011 Packers offense?

Absolutely. I'll take my chances with the 2011 Packers any day. It helps not to have a historically bad secondary, of course. I'm still trying to figure out how they regressed so much on defense from '09 and '10 to '11, though.

 

[Patriotplayer90]

I just don't really understand why we're so insistent on gearing our offense toward a smashmouth type strategy that is frankly kind out of outdated and relies heavily on defense. Not many championships have been won on the back of this idea in this era and the ones that did almost always had an elite defense to complement it.

Tennessee didn't have a wildly successful offense under MLF and didn't really find success until Henry broke out in '19. You could point to the '17 Rams but Goff really broke out that year and they also had some very good receivers, and used Gurley out of the backfield much more frequently.

I'd rather build the Chiefs' offense and outscore everyone and not have to have an elite defense out of necessity to win a championship, frankly.

We should have adapted the Chiefs strategy like 10 years ago. No telling how many SBs we'd have if we treated Rodgers like KC treats Mahomes

 

[RepStar15]

So what has changed since the end of the 2019 to make Gute and MLF so content with the WR room that they passed up drafting a probable rookie starter in a deeply talented WR draft?

1. Signed CFL WR Reggie Begelton
2. Signed FA Devin Funchess
3. Let GMO walk
4. resigned Kumerow
5. ESB gets healthy

Sorry, none of those moves make me think that the Packers WR group is much better than what we saw in 2019. MLF and Gute can tell us all they want that "they really like the group they have" or "the board just didn't fall the way we wanted it to". I don't fully believe either statement. Would love to know how #12 feels.

While I agree with the point of the post, I have to play devils advocate on a few things.

1) “Let” GMO walk - I would have pushed GMO out the door after his performance this season. Since he was on a tendered deal, I would have absolutely hated re-signing him. That being said, Devin Funchess IS an upgrade to him.
2) MVS was awful last year, but remember Davantes sophomore season? It was brutal and I was ready to be done with him. Now I don’t think he will be anywhere near Davantes progression, but there is hope that progression is seen.
3) EQ could have some talent, we honestly do not know with him yet but I did like what I saw from his rookie season.
4) Begleton I know absolutely nothing about besides that he was widely accepted as the best WR in the CFL. What that means I have no idea, but it sounds good.
5) Kumerow is an X WR specialist. Really all he is good for is running a deep go route. If MVS takes a leap, I like the fan favorite should be out the door.

Another thing to keep in mind is the cap casualties. Especially with rookie 36 WRs, we are going to see some names become free agents in the next few months. I don’t love the packers WR room, but I don’t hate it either. After Jalen Reagor was taken, it was hard for me to find a single rookie WR that would be a lock starter on the packers roster. The next argument is that they should have moved up for one. They would have had to give up 30, a second and likely a 4th to get to a position to take Reagor or Jefferson. That’s not worth it.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

1) “Let” GMO walk - I would have pushed GMO out the door after his performance this season. Since he was on a tendered deal, I would have absolutely hated re-signing him. That being said, Devin Funchess IS an upgrade to him.

Maybe wrong choice of wording, but I was implying that GMO gave them no reason whatsoever to try and resign him. He is not a starting WR.

Adams was a 2nd rounder that had more talent than MVS coming in. With Adams his issues were more with his eyes, hands and timing, he fixed it pretty easily. MVS, had too many drops and seemed to be a one trick pony. I think its a hopeful stretch to compare Adams and MVS and to rely on the same results.

EQ is much like MVS was last year. A hopeful contributor, but not a guy I would depend on as a starter, until he proves he is.

I am all about being hopeful, but I will stick to the same stance that I had one year ago. I just don't think the Packers are doing themselves or the offense any favors, by continuing to neglect the offense by not using more resources to try and improve the WR situation. As I said last year, I would be very happy if I was wrong.

 

[Packdemon]

IM on drugs right? We didnt just draft a RB right? in the Second round? I mean Aaron Jones did slack a little bit with only getting 19tds last year!!!!!!! WHAT IS GOING ON.

I could handle the Love pick if Gute had focused on obvious needs with later picks but he did not. This draft on a whole baffles me. Even if rebuilding was the focus the picks after Love were not highly rated at their positions. When you are one game from the SB with a HOF qb you go for it - plain and simple. On top of my questions with this draft I am upset that we went so many years without drafting game breaking offensive talent by constantly drafting for defense with a coordinator who could not harness the available talent into even an average defense. Whether staff or players, we always seem to be reaching and hoping to find hidden jewels instead of playing the percentages. I am not against taking an occasional risk but do we have to try it all the time?

 

[Poppa San]

I'd rather build the Chiefs' offense and outscore everyone and not have to have an elite defense out of necessity to win a championship, frankly.

We tried that. It didn't work.

 

[RRyder]

We should have adapted the Chiefs strategy like 10 years ago. No telling how many SBs we'd have if we treated Rodgers like KC treats Mahomes

We do know. 10 years ago (and for much of Rodgers career) he had one of the best and deepest recieving cores in the league along with top notch offensive lines. So the answer is 1

If you want to say there's not enough talent at the skill positions as the twilight of Rodgers career sets in thats fair.

But rewriting history and acting like Rodgers hasn't had tons of weapons on offense during his career is flat out lying because you want to make a point

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

We do know. 10 years ago (and for much of Rodgers career) he had one of the best and deepest recieving cores in the league along with top notch offensive lines. So the answer is 1

If you want to say there's not enough talent at the skill positions as the twilight of Rodgers career sets in thats fair.

But rewriting history and acting like Rodgers hasn't had tons of weapons on offense during his career is flat out lying because you want to make a point

Totally agree and I would add that it was because Rodgers was so good that TT and now Gute have kind of taken it for granted and it lulled them into a false sense of security of the potency of the offense, as they let it become more diluted of talent. Both GM's have tried to do more with less on the offensive side of the ball in the last 6 or so years, hoping they could spend more draft resources on other aspects of the team, mainly the defense.

 

[adambr2]

We tried that. It didn't work.

That doesn't mean it was wrong or that the offense we built wasn't good enough.There were a lot of circumstances that went into why it didn't work, one of which is just random bad luck. It's quite possible that if we could do 2011 and 2015 all over again during Rodgers' prime with the same personnel, we'd win another Super Bowl.

 

[CanadaCheese]

Las Vegas Sunday


2021 Super Bowl odds to win
Kansas City Chiefs 4-1
Baltimore Ravens 13-2
San Francisco 49ers 7-1
New Orleans Saints 11-1
Dallas Cowboys 12-1
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 16-1
Philadelphia Eagles 17-1
Seattle Seahawks 17-1
Green Bay Packers 18-1
New England Patriots 20-1
Buffalo Bills 20-1
Pittsburgh Steelers 25-1
Indianapolis Colts 25-1
Los Angeles Chargers 25-1
Minnesota Vikings 28-1
Los Angeles Rams 28-1
Las Vegas Raiders 30-1
Tennessee Titans 35-1
Cleveland Browns 40-1
Chicago Bears 40-1
Denver Broncos 50-1
Houston Texans 60-1
Atlanta Falcons 60-1
Arizona Cardinals 60-1
New York Giants 60-1
Detroit Lions 100-1
New York Jets 100-1
Miami Dolphins 100-1
Carolina Panthers 125-1
Jacksonville Jaguars 200-1
Washington Redskins 200-1
Cincinnati Bengals 200-1

Bookies dont like it
They also reject the run first posture of the Titian’s..... imagine that

 

[Do7]

Las Vegas Sunday


2021 Super Bowl odds to win
Kansas City Chiefs 4-1
Baltimore Ravens 13-2
San Francisco 49ers 7-1
New Orleans Saints 11-1
Dallas Cowboys 12-1
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 16-1
Philadelphia Eagles 17-1
Seattle Seahawks 17-1
Green Bay Packers 18-1
New England Patriots 20-1
Buffalo Bills 20-1
Pittsburgh Steelers 25-1
Indianapolis Colts 25-1
Los Angeles Chargers 25-1
Minnesota Vikings 28-1
Los Angeles Rams 28-1
Las Vegas Raiders 30-1
Tennessee Titans 35-1
Cleveland Browns 40-1
Chicago Bears 40-1
Denver Broncos 50-1
Houston Texans 60-1
Atlanta Falcons 60-1
Arizona Cardinals 60-1
New York Giants 60-1
Detroit Lions 100-1
New York Jets 100-1
Miami Dolphins 100-1
Carolina Panthers 125-1
Jacksonville Jaguars 200-1
Washington Redskins 200-1
Cincinnati Bengals 200-1

Bookies dont like it
They also reject the run first posture of the Titian’s..... imagine that

I am so sick of Vegas always giving Dallas so much love. They are by far the most overrated team in the league.

 

[CanadaCheese]

I am so sick of Vegas always giving Dallas so much love. They are by far the most overrated team in the league.

I live here
The fan base here is beyond annoying
They usually get allot more pop than they deserve but the offense they’ve assembled is pretty impressive and they will score a ton of points... I mean a TON
Defense is pretty pourous but they’ll make noise ... 10-6 or 11-5

 

[Do7]

I live here
The fan base here is beyond annoying
They usually get allot more pop than they deserve but the offense they’ve assembled is pretty impressive and they will score a ton of points... I mean a TON
Defense is pretty pourous but they’ll make noise ... 10-6 or 11-5

They are NOT winning that many games. 10-6 at MOST.

 

[OldSchool101]

This will be something discussed quite a bit before, during and after the season. I heard this same thing a year ago. At that time the Packers had a lot of young talent that they were very high on, let Cobb walk in Free agency and did nothing in the draft to inject high end talent to the group. I complained about the group being thin back in September and unfortunately I think my fears were proven to be correct.

Skip ahead one year. The 2019 season was filled with inconsistent play by the WR's group. Adams was himself, Lazard stepped up from the Practice squad and showed that he potentially could be a legit starter (something MVS showed his rookie year). Meanwhile, GMO proved he isn't a starter. MVS fell off a cliff. Trevor Davis was traded to the Raiders for a 6th round pic and later cut by the Raiders, Shepherd stunk and was demoted to the PS and Kumerow played like the utility 6th WR that he seems to be.

So what has changed since the end of the 2019 to make Gute and MLF so content with the WR room that they passed up drafting a probable rookie starter in a deeply talented WR draft?

1. Signed CFL WR Reggie Begelton
2. Signed FA Devin Funchess
3. Let GMO walk
4. resigned Kumerow
5. ESB gets healthy

Sorry, none of those moves make me think that the Packers WR group is much better than what we saw in 2019. MLF and Gute can tell us all they want that "they really like the group they have" or "the board just didn't fall the way we wanted it to". I don't fully believe either statement. Would love to know how #12 feels.

The video above of the draft progression was inspired by that sentiment and plucked a cord with me. It certainly can be looked at as a near conspiracy!
What % of people pre-draft would’ve pegged GB not taking a WR, DT or CB with any of the 10 selections?? That shows just how strange this draft unfolded.

 

[CanadaCheese]

The video above of the draft progression was inspired by that sentiment and plucked a cord with me. It certainly can be looked at as a near conspiracy! What % of people pre-draft would’ve pegged GB not taking a WR, DT or CB with any of the 10 selections??

<5%

 

[CanadaCheese]

They are NOT winning that many games. 10-6 at MOST.

It’ll be interesting.....and nauseating living here listening to it 24/7

 

[pacmaniac]

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[Dantés]

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If you drafted a quarterback and didn't have an immediate need for a week one starter, there's a really good chance everyone is going to give you bad draft grades.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

If you drafted a quarterback and didn't have an immediate need for a week one starter, there's a really good chance everyone is going to give you bad draft grades.

How about if you drafted 9 guys who won't be week one starters and zero guys at positions where you needed week one starters?

 

[Dantés]

How about if you drafted 9 guys who won't be week one starters and zero guys at positions where you needed week one starters?

Look, I am not happy about not having a WR coming out of that draft. I probably have over 100 posts this offseason talking about how they need a YAC weapon in this offense.

But the reality is that fans and media go apoplectic when teams take QB high when there isn't an immediate need for one. The same ******** has been swirling around the Eagles taking Jalen Hurts in the 2nd round.

If Love develops for two years, takes the reins in 2022, and is good for the foreseeable future, a lot of people will hope that no one digs up all their emotionally charged outrage, scolding, and hissy fits. And the draft grades will be worth... well... exactly what they're worth right now-- absolutely nothing.

 

[adambr2]

If you drafted a quarterback and didn't have an immediate need for a week one starter, there's a really good chance everyone is going to give you bad draft grades.

Don't really think this is true. The Broncos took Paxton Lynch late in the 1st in 2016 without an immediate need and they graded out just fine that year.

If the Day 2 picks had made any kind of sense they would have graded out okay. Losing a 4th to get Love didn't help our grades, either. There were some valuable assets to be had at the back end of the 4th.

 

[Dantés]

Don't really think this is true. The Broncos took Paxton Lynch late in the 1st in 2016 without an immediate need and they graded out just fine that year.

If the Day 2 picks had made any kind of sense they would have graded out okay. Losing a 4th to get Love didn't help our grades, either. There were some valuable assets to be had at the back end of the 4th.

???

Their starter was Trevor Siemian, a 7th rounder with 2 years under his belt...

 

[adambr2]

???

Their starter was Trevor Siemian, a 7th rounder with 2 years under his belt...

My mistake. For some reason I was thinking this occured during the midst of the Brock Osweiler era in Denver when they still had hope that he was their guy. I was mistaken.

I still don't believe that the Jordan Love pick is the reason for poor draft grades. I think that's one of the easier picks of theirs to justify, frankly.

 

[El Guapo]

At this point, I can only think/hope that Gute has some serious intentions to pick up other peoples' garbage when veterans are cut between now and the start of the season.