I don't think Mike and Ted are going anywhere

[Packer Brother]

So does TT stay only under strict guidelines to go out into free agency? Or will Murphy just let him do what he's been doing? Personally l think he's a bigger problem than MM.

 

[Mondio]

If ted is the gm, nobody is telling him what he can and can't do

 

[Packerlifer]

http://www.packersnews.com/story/sp...ckers-face-tough-call-thompson-wolf/94347888/

 

[Bagadeez04]

TT and MM arent going anywhere this year most likely. Dom will be the sacraficial lamb.

I have no doubt that Mark Murphy and Ted Thompson are eager to get back to good enough Packer football. It makes big money and should be possible after some tinkering.

 

[Sky King]

Almost a decade ago Thompson opted to trade an aging HOF QB and took his chances with an, as yet, unproven but promising young QB. How ironic it would be if Murphy were to exercise a similar choice this offseason when it comes to the future of the GM position.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

They've had decreased demand from brown county folks. Not mentioning 200 people decided against becoming season ticket holders last season.

http://fox11online.com/news/local/green-bay/700-packers-fans-become-season-ticket-holders

I think we already discussed about that story and once again there's no reason to be worried.

 

[Packer Brother]

If TT is here to stay, MM isn't going anywhere. I'm not convinced this is a one year blip and things will change next year. Packers have a better QB than Kitties & Vikes. Otherwise, both teams are more talented. ( Marvin Jones, Tate, Diggs for Vikes are better than Cobb & Jordy " overrated" Nelson). Not mentioning Seattle, Dallas, Redskins, Atlanta ( Elite WR), Giants (Who Also have elite WR) are better.

Basically this team isn't contending for anything unless major free agents are picked up. Other teams ( Pats, Cowboys D, others )have injuries and survive. This is still a bottom D even healthy. Rodgers ( At least how he's been playing) isn't a top five QB. Clay Matthews is overpaid for what he brings. Tight end is horrendous. Don't even want to discuss RB.

Mark Murphy is thankful for your loyalty. Ticket prices will be going up and the waitlist is over 100k!!! Oh, "title town" district is looking good too.

 

[yooperpackfan]

Almost a decade ago Thompson opted to trade an aging HOF QB and took his chances with an, as yet, unproven but promising young QB. How ironic it would be if Murphy were to exercise a similar choice this offseason when it comes to the future of the GM position.

Better to get rid of a guy a year early than a year late!
Isn't that Ted Thompson's philosophy?

 

[Sky King]

Better to get rid of a guy a year early than a year late!
Isn't that Ted Thompson's philosophy?

How true. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

 

[PackerDNA]

3 difference makers he went and got. All on defense. All were extremely talented in comparison to their peers.

Are you just wanting to throw huge sums of money at players unwanted by their former team so that it can't be said that the GM is "conservative"?

No, I want better players instead of bringing back the same JAG's year after year. I want veteran depth instead of a bunch of UDFA's who may not even be good enough to play in the NFL.
I want Ted to come out of hibernation after April and get those players, which believe it or not, can be done without the strawman argument of "throwing huge sums of money at players so that it can't be said that the GM is conservative".
BTW, those 3 difference makers were over a period of 12 years.

 

[Mondio]

Unless you're blasting Ted for not being 6 deep in a starting DB rotation, in which case you have absolutely zero football sense, you need to tell us right now, who, when, and at what cost.

It's easy to say we need DBs. Now do the tough job. Better yet, show us all of your posts from April that told us who the weak links were and who they should be replaced with.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Unless you're blasting Ted for not being 6 deep in a starting DB rotation, in which case you have absolutely zero football sense, you need to tell us right now, who, when, and at what cost.

It's easy to say we need DBs. Now do the tough job. Better yet, show us all of your posts from April that told us who the weak links were and who they should be replaced with.

It's absolutely impossible for someone not working with other teams to know which cornerbacks might have been available at what point. Thompson gets paid millions a year to make decisions like that though and all he did was to fill the bottom of the depth chart with some undrafted free agents, something that obviously didn't work out.

 

[Mondio]

If it's impossible to know then people should recognize that and quit being so absolute in their statements. Rosters everywhere are filled out with guys like Hyde and worse. Everywhere. Ted is supposed to have 6 better or he's not doing his job.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

If it's impossible to know then people should recognize that and quit being so absolute in their statements. Rosters everywhere are filled out with guys like Hyde and worse. Everywhere. Ted is supposed to have 6 better or he's not doing his job.

I really have a hard time understanding any reasonable Packer fan arguing Thompson handled the cornerback situation adequatley.

There were several posters who came up with suggestions what the Packers could have done to improve the position but you dismissed them all acting like you know for a fact that a veteran cornerback wouldn' t have been an improvement over Hyde, Gunter, Goodson or Hawkins.

 

[Mondio]

I really have a hard time understanding any reasonable Packer fan arguing Thompson handled the cornerback situation adequatley.

There were several posters who came up with suggestions what the Packers could have done to improve the position but you dismissed them all acting like you know for a fact that a veteran cornerback wouldn' t have been an improvement over Hyde, Gunter, Goodson or Hawkins.

Is that what I'm arguing? And yes Browner was the absolute worst rated DB 2 years ago fresh off a giant FA contract. He couldn't even make a roster as a backup safety this year. He done. Trade a pick for Tramon? Not even going to entertain again same for Cromartie.

Maybe they would have been a bit better doing some other things, but let's not act as if they don't have significant weaknesses themselves. I don't think any of them would bring enough to change the big picture this season and everyone would hurt in the long run. Especially giving up picks.

And I'll say it again, guys likebHyde and Gunter for that matter fill out the bottom of every NFL roster because of price and experience. But Ted is stupid because he's not 6 deep with starters

 

[HardRightEdge]

It is Mike and Ted's excellent adventure, bro. But they are in danger of flunking most heinously. Party on, dudes.

 

[swhitset]

Is that what I'm arguing? And yes Browner was the absolute worst rated DB 2 years ago fresh off a giant FA contract. He couldn't even make a roster as a backup safety this year. He done. Trade a pick for Tramon? Not even going to entertain again same for Cromartie.

Maybe they would have been a bit better doing some other things, but let's not act as if they don't have significant weaknesses themselves. I don't think any of them would bring enough to change the big picture this season and everyone would hurt in the long run. Especially giving up picks.

And I'll say it again, guys likebHyde and Gunter for that matter fill out the bottom of every NFL roster because of price and experience. But Ted is stupid because he's not 6 deep with starters

I understand your points, but I still feel Ted should have been able to be a bit more proactive. I truly feel he should have had a better plan because of the uncertainty of Shields. I for one was not at all surprised when Shields went down. I distinctly remember thinking to myself immediately after he went down "I wonder if he is done for good this time". Admittedly, I had no information to confirm this except his history of concussions. If I was thinking this, I would hope that Thompson was as well. I am assuming that he had more confidence in Randall and Rollins than was apparently warranted. Maybe Randall would have come through if not injured, I really think Thompson should have been looking for a veteran D back as soon as Shields went down, but in reality, I think at least one of the cornerbacks on the original 53 should have been a veteran backup ... knowing the risk he was taking with Shields.

 

[Forget Favre]

It is Mike and Ted's excellent adventure, bro. But they are in danger of flunking most heinously. Party on, dudes.

Excellent!

Actually, I like to think of them more like these guys....

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Ted: Huh-huh. Remember that this team had a player named Lynn ****ey? Huh-huh.
Mike: Heh-heh-heh. You said, "****y." Heh-heh-heh.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Excellent!

Actually, I like to think of them more like these guys....

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Ted: Huh-huh. Remember that this team had a player named Lynn ****ey? Huh-huh.
Mike: Heh-heh-heh. You said, "****y." Heh-heh-heh.

Way!
No Way!
Way!

 

[HardRightEdge]

I really have a hard time understanding any reasonable Packer fan arguing Thompson handled the cornerback situation adequatley.

There were several posters who came up with suggestions what the Packers could have done to improve the position but you dismissed them all acting like you know for a fact that a veteran cornerback wouldn' t have been an improvement over Hyde, Gunter, Goodson or Hawkins.

The suggestions I've seen would not have made a material difference. Just to take one name, how slow was Browner? Wait, I know the answer: very. He only looked good when there were All Pros playing on the other side whereby he could get topside help.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Ted: Huh-huh. Remember that this team had a player named Lynn ****ey? Huh-huh.
Mike: Heh-heh-heh. You said, "****y." Heh-heh-heh.

I 'meember!

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[swhitset]

The suggestions I've seen would not have made a material difference. Just to take one name, how slow was Browner? Wait, I know the answer: very. He only looked good when there were All Pros playing on the other side whereby he could get topside help.

Agreed, but I am assuming (perhaps incorrectly) that Thompson would have better information that should have allowed him to find somebody that can play better than Goodson.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Agreed, but I am assuming (perhaps incorrectly) that Thompson would have better information that should have allowed him to find somebody that can play better than Goodson.

In all fairness, Goodson was supposed to be the #5 perimeter corner, primarily just a special teams guy. He was never supposed to be a starter.

Rollins is back; Randall is looking like he'll be back this week. So, you're supposed to comb the street for some guy mid-way into the season who may or may not be a marginal improvement for a couple of games?

Should Thompson have done better than Goodson in the draft or for a free agent in the offseason to upgrade #5 perimeter corner? How much are you going to commit for a third string upgrade?

Teams can sustain injuries if they're spread around the position groups. Nobody will fare very well digging into the 3rd. string at one group.

I haven't thought this defense was championship caliber for quite a few seasons now, despite a lot of draft and cap capital being spent on it. That's my beef. Goodson is a mere footnote.

 

[swhitset]

In all fairness, Goodson was supposed to be the #5 perimeter corner, primarily just a special teams guy. He was never supposed to be a starter.

Rollins is back; Randall is looking like he'll be back this week. So, you're supposed to comb the street for some guy mid-way into the season who may or may not be a marginal improvement for a couple of games?

Should Thompson have done better than Goodson in the draft or for a free agent in the offseason to upgrade #5 perimeter corner? How much are you going to commit for a third string upgrade?

Teams can sustain injuries if they're spread around the position groups. Nobody will fare very well digging into the 3rd. string at one group.

I haven't thought this defense was championship caliber for quite a few seasons now, despite a lot of draft and cap capital being spent on it. That's my beef. Goodson is a mere footnote.

I understand your point, I guess my biggest problem is counting on Shields when his injury track record was so dismal. I just think that Ted rolled the dice on very iffy bet with a number 1 Corner when numbers 2 and three were such unknown quantities being second year players. I , however, can see the other side. I am not out to lynch Thompson. I could even live with allowing him to remain another year, but I have been leaning more and more toward thinking we might need a change.

 

[Packer96]

This isn't the trenches, I hate it when people compare real life and death with sports. He is not a great coach, he had 2 HOF QB's carrying his ***. This isn't the first year stumble, he choked at Seattle and that's when he lost Arod, been downhill ever since.