Hundley vs Eagles

[Arthur Squires]

These are the games your backup QB look forward to the most in my opinion. Hundley has been a preseason star before. Does he get a good long look vs the Eagles or do we see alot of Callahan and Hill preseason week 1. I'm hoping we see Hundley the 1st half with thw other 2 getting the 2nd half. I am one fan that still thinks Hundley has yet to prove a reliable backup. Some think he is starter material. We need to see more in my opinion.

 

[Candidate for Deletion]

These are the games your backup QB look forward to the most in my opinion. Hundley has been a preseason star before. Does he get a good long look vs the Eagles or do we see alot of Callahan and Hill preseason week 1. I'm hoping we see Hundley the 1st half with thw other 2 getting the 2nd half. I am one fan that still thinks Hundley has yet to prove a reliable backup. Some think he is starter material. We need to see more in my opinion.

I would be entirely unsurprised to see Hundley play three full quarters.

 

[Arthur Squires]

I would be entirely unsurprised to see Hundley play three full quarters.

Im just hoping for the 1st half so we can get a good extended look

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I think we will get more of a sense where Hundley is towards the end of August. I love preseason, after all it's been 7 months since my last taste of Packer Football. But the first game or two, not only are the starters still knocking off the rust, they don't get much time on the field during a game as a unit. Hundley might get the first series with most of the starters, but then let the substitutions begin (on both sides of the ball). Game experience is good and the coaches probably do a good job getting valuable information out of it, but as a fan, I just like seeing the Green and Gold again, saying "who is that guy and damn he looks good" and feeling that first drip of football enter my veins for the season ahead.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

These are the games your backup QB look forward to the most in my opinion. Hundley has been a preseason star before. Does he get a good long look vs the Eagles or do we see alot of Callahan and Hill preseason week 1. I'm hoping we see Hundley the 1st half with thw other 2 getting the 2nd half. I am one fan that still thinks Hundley has yet to prove a reliable backup. Some think he is starter material. We need to see more in my opinion.

I expect Hundley to receive extended playing time during the preseason. I agree that there's no reason to consider him starter material because of his performance in meaningless games two years ago and don't believe that perception should change based on the next four weeks either.

 

[Brian Purdy]

Hundley is in his 3rd year and what I expect from the number 2 QB is he has to put drives together and leave the field with points. Field goals at least.
He cannot go 3 plays and out. Throw short of the sticks on 3rd down. Throw picks. Time to prove he can be the guy, if Rodgers goes down.

 

[thequick12]

Im just hoping for the 1st half so we can get a good extended look

id think he plays first series of 2nd half and then calls it a night

 

[thequick12]

I expect Hundley to receive extended playing time during the preseason. I agree that there's no reason to consider him starter material because of his performance in meaningless games two years ago and don't believe that perception should change based on the next four weeks either.

he projects as a quality nfl starter because of his physical ability, the time hes spent being developed by one of the unquestioned best, mm and the time hes spent learning from the example 12 provides just as 4 provided 12. the fact that he excels in the pre season should be expected as its a result of the aforementioned 3 factors.

 

[gopkrs]

Two years ago I saw poise and a good arm. I hope that if he plays really well that we go the Patriots route and not give him away. I would rather keep him than get a 3rd rounder in such a case. The pats have shown they would not settle for less than a one.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Two years ago I saw poise and a good arm. I hope that if he plays really well that we go the Patriots route and not give him away. I would rather keep him than get a 3rd rounder in such a case. The pats have shown they would not settle for less than a one.

It's a Catch-22. If he is too good, it will be too expensive to keep him and if he is just average, it could still be a fair amount of $$ to resign him and in that case, do you have a cheaper alternative?

Trying to remember if in the last 40 or so years, there has been a second string QB on the Packers that made it to a second contract? Flynn came back but was gone after his first contract was up.

 

[HardRightEdge]

It's a Catch-22. If he is too good, it will be too expensive to keep him and if he is just average, it could still be a fair amount of $$ to resign him and in that case, do you have a cheaper alternative?

Trying to remember if in the last 40 or so years, there has been a second string QB on the Packers that made it to a second contract? Flynn came back but was gone after his first contract was up.

It's a Catch 22. If a guy is any damn good and has any ambition, and he's sitting behind a franchise QB, his second contract will be with a team where he can compete for a starting job. If he's actually gotten some injury (or suspension) replacement starts along the way and acquitted himself well, he might be going somewhere as the default starter (as with Flynn, or as will be the case with Garoppolo). If the guy sticks around for a second contract it's because he's resigned himself to career backup status in which case it's time to consider an upgrade.

It's reasonable to assume a Garoppolo or a Hundley will not be wearing the same uniform come second contract time barring serious injury to the franchise. The problem with trading is you must have high confidence the #3 can hold down the fort if the #1 goes down. People lose jobs over lost seasons.

Belichick may still get his price. All it takes is one season ending injury to one QB with a GM on the bubble for a deal to be made. He spent a 3rd. rounder on Briskett, he's in his second year, and he didn't bring a 4th. QB to camp so he must think something of him as an emergency backup.

 

[Arthur Squires]

he projects as a quality nfl starter because of his physical ability, the time hes spent being developed by one of the unquestioned best, mm and the time hes spent learning from the example 12 provides just as 4 provided 12. the fact that he excels in the pre season should be expected as its a result of the aforementioned 3 factors.

Still needs to show he can be reliable when games count in my opinion. He played very well at UCLA and 1 preseason. That doesn't warrant him being labeled starter material IMO

 

[Brian Purdy]

The preseason is all vanilla defenses. Here is a list of former QB s who looked good in preseason-Randy Wright, Ty Detmer, Vince Young, Brian Brohm.
When the games were real, they didn't do to well.
I speak for what I expect when watching. I want to see drives sustained. I absolutely hate when a receiver or back just a yard or two from a first down and instead of lowering a shoulder and try to get it, they run out of bounds.

Still needs to show he can be reliable when games count in my opinion. He played very well at UCLA and 1 preseason. That doesn't warrant him being labeled starter material IMO

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Time to prove he can be the guy, if Rodgers goes down.

It's impossible for Hundley to prove that in preseason games though.

he projects as a quality nfl starter because of his physical ability, the time hes spent being developed by one of the unquestioned best, mm and the time hes spent learning from the example 12 provides just as 4 provided 12. the fact that he excels in the pre season should be expected as its a result of the aforementioned 3 factors.

Hundley wasn't drafted until the fifth round despite of his physical ability. In addition having worked with McCarthy and Rodgers since 2015 doesn't automatically result in him being considered starter material as the Packers have yet to develop a backup turning into a quality starter since 2008.

Trying to remember if in the last 40 or so years, there has been a second string QB on the Packers that made it to a second contract? Flynn came back but was gone after his first contract was up.

I can't think of any backup quarterback that made it to a second contract with the Packers since the league introduced free agency in 1993.

 

[Poppa San]

I can't think of any backup quarterback that made it to a second contract with the Packers since the league introduced free agency in 1993.

Aaron Rodgers. He was part way through his 1st season as the starter when he got extended. I'm not sure they even had a winning record at that time. He was named the starter but took all season to solidify that decision.
Otherwise kind of tough to hang on to a quality backup when he sits behind an ironman that will be a HOFers.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Aaron Rodgers. He was part way through his 1st season as the starter when he got extended. I'm not sure they even had a winning record at that time. He was named the starter but took all season to solidify that decision.

Still though, I don't think the Packers have resigned a #2 QB after his rookie contract was up, in a LONG time.

Otherwise kind of tough to hang on to a quality backup when he sits behind an ironman that will be a HOFers.

That was kind of my point. When you have a Brett Favre or an Aaron Rodgers, there is such a big difference between your #1 and #2 (except in the case of when both were on the roster), that if the Packers happen to develop a quality QB, with starter potential, you either trade him, trade your #1 QB to the Jets or let him walk in Free Agency.


Hundley's ultimate value to the Packers may very well be the backup insurance he provides, until his rookie deal is up and the compensatory pick they get when they just let him walk. That is unless his trade value is significantly above the compensatory pick value and the Packers have a comparable QB to take his place.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Hundley's ultimate value to the Packers may very well be the backup insurance he provides, until his rookie deal is up and the compensatory pick they get when they just let him walk. That is unless his trade value is significantly above the compensatory pick value and the Packers have a comparable QB to take his place.

That's true. I highly doubt another team will give up more than a third round pick based on Hundley's performance during the preseason though.

 

[Half Empty]

The preseason is all vanilla defenses. Here is a list of former QB s who looked good in preseason-Randy Wright, Ty Detmer, Vince Young, Brian Brohm.
When the games were real, they didn't do to well.
I speak for what I expect when watching. I want to see drives sustained. I absolutely hate when a receiver or back just a yard or two from a first down and instead of lowering a shoulder and try to get it, they run out of bounds.

Brohm never looked good - http://www.nfl.com/player/brianbrohm/198/gamelogs?season=2008

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Brohm never looked good - http://www.nfl.com/player/brianbrohm/198/gamelogs?season=2008

Agreed he was awful, he never figured out the speed that the NFL plays at. Brohm is one of those players that isn't often mentioned as one of TT's flopped picks (2nd round, #56), never even throwing a regular season pass as a Packer. I know it's total hindsight to wonder WTF TT was thinking when he used a second round pick on Brohm, when he already had AR and #4 (on the fence). Of course in TT's defense, Favre was flip flopping between retirements and AR hadn't started a game AND Brohm was considered to be a steal at #56, since some thought he was the best QB in the draft that year. Interesting enough, Martellus Bennett was taken 5 picks later at #61, so I guess it all worked out.

Toddy McShay: “I honestly think Brian Brohm, two years from now, could be the starting quarterback of the Green Bay Packers. It would not shock me at all… I think Brian Brohm’s upside is greater than that of Aaron Rodgers.”

Merril Hoge: “I do like Brohm better than Aaron Rodgers with where Rodgers is right now in his career.”

 

[Mondio]

Brohm was not good under any circumstances here. At the time the pick made sense. People seem to forget how forgettable Rodgers looked in preseason his first year or 2. He was a long ways away from being what he has become

 

[Sky King]

I remember reading an article that came out at the time claiming that Brohm's father and other relatives were giving him unwelcome coaching advice that may have been counter to what he was getting from the Packers. If so, they should have stuck to mowing the lawn and left the QB stuff to real pros. The kid may have stood a chance otherwise.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Brohm was not good under any circumstances here. At the time the pick made sense. People seem to forget how forgettable Rodgers looked in preseason his first year or 2. He was a long ways away from being what he has become

Agree, on the logic, which was why I tried to defend it a bit. But Yes, the scouts, TT, talking heads......totally whiffed on Brohm. I remember seeing him in preseason games wondering how he was even in the NFL.

 

[OldSchool101]

Hundley is in his 3rd year and what I expect from the number 2 QB is he has to put drives together and leave the field with points. Field goals at least.
He cannot go 3 plays and out. Throw short of the sticks on 3rd down. Throw picks. Time to prove he can be the guy, if Rodgers goes down.

Hey. You got your wish.. he led a 2 minute drill

The preseason is all vanilla defenses. Here is a list of former QB s who looked good in preseason-Randy Wright, Ty Detmer, Vince Young, Brian Brohm.
When the games were real, they didn't do to well.
I speak for what I expect when watching. I want to see drives sustained. I absolutely hate when a receiver or back just a yard or two from a first down and instead of lowering a shoulder and try to get it, they run out of bounds.

Vince Young looked good in preseason??
2013 GB GP 4 GS 0 COMP 26 ATT 49 PCT 53.9% ATT/G 12.3 YDS 218 AVG 4.5 TD 1 INT 0 LONG 26 QBR 71.6%

Granted, this was the first player I researched because he was more recent and at least part of that argument doesn't hold. Keep in mind that Vince also had the luxury of having 50 regular season starts under his belt and his stats are embarrassing compared to Brett's

 

[OldSchool101]

While some might argue that preseason games have little or no bearing on the evaluation of future success. I would argue that these scrimmage games are extremely important to the coaches and players in the process of evaluating talent needed to make the final roster or practice squad.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

While some might argue that preseason games have little or no bearing on the evaluation of future success. I would argue that these scrimmage games are extremely important to the coaches and players in the process of evaluating talent needed to make the final roster or practice squad.

I too have heard people call preseason games and scrimmages "meaningless", but I think that is just some people's way of saying that since the games don't count in the standings, it means nothing to that particular fan and they find them boring because of that. But I couldn't agree with you more, jobs are won and lost in practice, scrimmages and preseason games. Coaches are studying every player and his abilities, during the action and well after. Watching film over and over again. to decide which players they feel have a future in the Packer organization, building the roster top to bottom in the process. Practice and preseason reminds me of boot camp and combat training, it's where everything happens to prepare players/soldiers for live action.