House going on IR, Packers sign Breeland

[906Fan]

If breeland isn't healthy why did the Packers sign him?

Cause we need help, and even if he is still healing is probably the best option.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Yup, even if he's only a marginal improvement over House that's still an improvement.

 

[RRyder]

That was a strange injury that led Carolina to void his contract:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...d-will-need-skin-graft-to-repair-cut-on-foot/

Anyway, it begs the question of how long they now expect King to be out. Signing Breeland as the 5th. corner makes less sense than if he's the 4th.

Should I be the one to point out that "if" (big IF I know) Breeland is healthy in all likely hood we dont have 3 CBs better then him much less 4 regardless of the health of the other CBs on the roster.

It's also entirely likely that they simply dont feel comfortable with Alexander or Jackson on the outside yet and feel Breeland is a better fit there. Or at least not comfortable enough to move them if they feel a better or equal option is available should King or Tramon miss time

I know we all like to list CBs 1-4 but the reality is niether Alexander nor Jackson were the top backups to Tramon and King on the outside. House kinda was despite be what most would list as the #5 CB. Breeland is an upgrade even hobbled

 

[James from IL]

I've heard rumblings that he got offers from other teams since the failed physical but he declined them. Maybe he was just waiting for the right team/offer?

 

[Dantés]

I have to say this now. The people expect it:

Gute Loot!

 

[Croak]

I wonder if Breelands foot is fully healed.

or fully heeled?

 

[XPack]

House had a shoulder injury?

I suppose its because he had to shoulder a lot of the blame.

Looks like McCray also has a shoulder injury.

Didn't know it was contagious. No more lending of my shoulder to cry on to my ex'es.

 

[PackAttack12]

Another prime example of the difference between Gute and TT. Good signing.

 

[melvin dangerr]

He went on IR huh! Hope that means (I’m Retiring)!

 

[PackerDNA]

Wow. Didn't see this one coming. Tramon to safety?

 

[OldSchool101]

While he might not be a “household” name. Breeland is a decent CB with a recognizable name. This is a significant upgrade.

I always saw House as a top 50% of the CBs off the bench, but he never really surpassed “bench” status and like Jacksonville figured out...he’s not your primary starter. He’s also been battling shoulder injuries since last year.. that’s not good.
Breeland is a bonified starter and while he’s not overwhelming, he’s easily a class and a half above House. His injury was a cut on his foot before OTAs but that’s not a career ending deal and much preferable to me over a reoccurring shoulder issue (aka Davon)
This is a small risk for Beshaud’s upside and the most significantly FA since Mo.

 

[Jerellh528]

If healthy Breeland is a noticeable upgrade over House.
Also why do people think this means Tramon is moving to safety, Breeland was brought in to replace house, not so Tramon can move positions.
We ought give Josh Jones a shot at safety before we burn the house down, plus it’s only week 3 and Brice has played better in the past.

 

[C-Lee]

I have to say this now. The people expect it:

Gute Loot!

Good Guy Gute

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Not sure if you can safely conclude that since the Panthers were willing to sign him at $8M/year he is a great addition, but I'm willing to say a major upgrade over House.

The other "bonus" is the fact that Breeland is only 26. So he has some playing years ahead of him. If he plays well and sticks around, the Packers could be really loaded at the position. Williams is on a 2 year deal, King, Jackson and Alexander. From CB poor to CB rich.

 

[red4tribe]

Eric Reid is still out there. Just saying.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I'm wondering if this means Pettine will try moving Tramon to safety? I believe he had minor success in Cleveland moving Tramon to safety right? And I think Breeland also played a little safety in his career.

With King being iffy and House headed to injured reserve the Packers only had three healthy cornerbacks on the roster. Therefore I don't believe the team signing Breeland results in Williams being moved to safety.

Williams has only played 200 snaps at free safety during his career with his most extensive work there during the 2016 season. Breeland has only played a total of four snaps at the position. That might indicate both aren't viable upgrades.

I know we all like to list CBs 1-4 but the reality is niether Alexander nor Jackson were the top backups to Tramon and King on the outside. House kinda was despite be what most would list as the #5 CB. Breeland is an upgrade even hobbled

Alexander actually played significantly more snaps pn the perimeter (68) than House (26) during the first three weeks of the season. It's true the Packers rarely used Jackson (12) on the outside.

We ought give Josh Jones a shot at safety before we burn the house down, plus it’s only week 3 and Brice has played better in the past.

Jones is not suited to line up at free safety.

 

[HardRightEdge]

House's snap counts in 3 games were 0, 24 and 6. It could be argued that he was supposed compete with the rookies for #3 perimeter corner behind Williams and King, or that he would have been had he not been banged up from the start. The fact of the matter is he wasn't.

House had a lot of bad looks for having been on the field a mere 30 snaps so far this season, for whatever reason. He was being targetted as a weak link.

Once the decision was made to put House on IR and with King's issues, the roster was down to 3 CBs. 5 CBs was light to begin with. You can't suit up on Sunday with just 3. You can't play 4 corner dime with 3 and if there's an injury during a game with just 3 you're totally screwed.

In week 1 with King on the field, the corner aggregate snap count was 336% That means Pettine was playing dime at least 36% of the time against Chicago, more with a smattering of base snaps though I can't recall if they played any base at all. Without King, the corner snap count dropped to 293% against the more potent Minnesota passing game. Against Washington, a more balanced offense than Chicago, it dropped to 260% with King out and House limited to 6 snaps.

This data suggests Pettine preference to play a high dime %, hamstrung by the injuries. Further, except for King and to some degree Williams, the perimeter/slot distinction is artificial. Williams, Alexander and Jackson have played both slot and perimeter. Pettine plays the matchup game. A particular Breeland attraction, beside the need for a veteran 4th. corner to step in and play a fair share of snaps, whether inside or outside, would be that he started out as a slot corner and then got that nice Carolina contract on the strength of perimeter play. Matchup flexibility would have been a factor, and then more of factor to cover the eventuality of yet another injury among the other 3 who can play currently.

We have not even gotten to Detroit (twice), the Rams, New England or Atlanta, teams that throw the ball well and a lot.

Whether Breeland is a low or high risk proposition, shrewd or a big gamble, hinges on the contract details. If the contract is healthy, that would tell us something about the level of desperation or the King prognosis or both.

As contracts go, this illustrates why you don't drive the cap space anywhere near zero. House still gets paid on IR; Breeland subtracts from the cap space. The way things are going, a vet O-Lineman for the right side might be in our future.

Whether slot or perimenter, nickel or dime, #3 or #4, he's going to get his fair share of snaps and needs to get up to speed in a hurry.

 

[ThePerfectBeard]

Holy crap, how did I not see this yesterday? This is a semi-low key signing which potentially really upgrades our secondary. Love it!

 

[Jerellh528]

With King being iffy and House headed to injured reserve the Packers only had three healthy cornerbacks on the roster. Therefore I don't believe the team signing Breeland results in Williams being moved to safety.

Williams has only played 200 snaps at free safety during his career with his most extensive work there during the 2016 season. Breeland has only played a total of four snaps at the position. That might indicate both aren't viable upgrades.



Alexander actually played significantly more snaps pn the perimeter (68) than House (26) during the first three weeks of the season. It's true the Packers rarely used Jackson (12) on the outside.



Jones is not suited to line up at free safety.

I didn’t say free safety.

 

[sschind]

If you look at it simply as he took House's place on the roster the roster just got better so its a good signing. Contract issues need to be considered but since we needed a guy anyway you go after the best you can afford. Maybe they could have gotten some JAG for less money but would he have been any better than House? If your choices are paying a bit more and you get better in the process or saving money and staying the same I'd go with paying a bit more. There is a limit to how much you should pay to get better though ...cough cough Mack cough cough.

 

[Jerellh528]

Packers got breeland for 1 year 790k + 90k bonus

https://mobile.twitter.com/RobDemovsky/status/1045038415241252866

 

[PackerDNA]

Packers got breeland for 1 year 790k + 90k bonus

https://mobile.twitter.com/RobDemovsky/status/1045038415241252866

I was thinking it would be $2-3 M.

 

[James from IL]

Veteran minimum right?

 

[Dantés]

Here's the important question with Breeland:

Did we just happen to bring him in when his foot was finally healed, or is it not fully healed and the FO just decided to take a gamble that he's close enough to 100% that he'll be able to play?

Given how desirable of a FA he was and how many teams brought him in for visits, those are the only scenarios that make sense to me: he's just getting back to good health or the Packers were the only ones willing to gamble.

As far I know, his last visit before coming to Green Bay was with the Bucs on September 11. So it's been two weeks. I guess it's possible that his foot wasn't quite ready then, but is now. Or perhaps that he hadn't been able to get back into playing shape, but has now? So hard to say.

 

[Mondio]

Looks like a vet min deal pretty much. My guess is he’s not close to 100% or there are some significant red flags but GB was desperate enough to take a chance. If he was that close 100% I have to believe someone would have given him significantly more .

You don’t go from 8 million a year to less than 1 because a cut took longer to heal than normal without there being a lot more to comsider