Goodbye Crosby?!

[Heyjoe4]

Bissaccia's job in the offseason is to "fix" his PAT yips. Whether Carlson is lining up, approaching, or hitting differently? Time to fix it AND not mess up his 50+ accuracy.

Strange isn't it? Carlson has a big leg and has hit some long FGs with regularity. Then he gets jumpy on PATs. That should be fixable. Might need a shrink instead of a football coach.

 

[Poppa San]

Seems to me that missin Crosby Carlson misses PATs after sudden scores. Defensive scores, 2-3 play drives type. When he has time to psych up and kick a few into the net, say during an 8-10 play drive, he is more reliable.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm less worried about Carlson than some of you. He's a rookie, he's going to have his share of yips. Would I rather have him or Crosby out there with 3 seconds on the clock and a 50 yarder sends the Packers to the Super Bowl? Probably would prefer a veteran like Crosby, unless there was a stiff wind blowing in his face.

Anyway, much like Love throwing an errant ball, Reed dropping a pass, the young guys are more prone to making mistakes, give Anders some time, he'll have ice throwing through his veins in a few years.

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[games]

PokerBrat2000 I completely agree.

He's fine for a new kicker. We're not seeing shanks or pulls left of Hillary or pushes right of Limbaugh.

 

[Poppa San]

pulls left of Hillary or pushes right of Limbaugh

With the way today's political climate is headed, in a year or two both of these will be considered centrists.

 

[Schultz]

and hopefully Carlson's kicks follow suit.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Anyway, much like Love throwing an errant ball, Reed dropping a pass, the young guys are more prone to making mistakes, give Anders some time, he'll have ice throwing through his veins in a few years.

He's got to clean up the XPs.

 

[OldSchool101]

Regardless of where we go from here. One thing Mason rarely does is miss. Mason missed 20 XPA across 16 seasons (1.25 per season)
Carlson has missed quite a few. While in not panicking, I am closely watching Carlson, because he’s responsible for points and points win games. We should also at least be able to discuss the topic of we see an anomoly.
I’m not as concerned about the misses as I am the timing. Across the first 5 contests (with attempts) Carlson was a perfect 15/15 XPM.
Since they Carlson has missed XPA in 5 of the last 8 games. That’s more than 3 seasons of missed XP Kicks for Crosby. It’s a concern until we get in that area where it’s 2 per season
We were fortunate it hasn’t cost us more games.

We lost to Pittsburgh by 4. Had we not missed it’s a FG to force OT.
2 of the other 4 misses were 3 point Wins. Again we’ve been fortunate it’s probably only affected 1 loss and it’s a potential loss because it would’ve been an OT game.

Carlson’s FG % is ok, not good but ok. He’s at 83.9% and Masons career was 81.4%. Although it should be noted that Mason was 70/70 in postseason. Like a surgical knife
Mason was also a very good 88.6% (31/36) postseason FG%. That means when the pressure cooker heated up? He actually got significantly better. Mason in postseason was as close to automatic as you get. Mason was also the only kicker with over 1,650 points besides Jason Hanson to kick for 1 team. That’s out of 21 Career Kickers. Mason is #11 ALL-time most points in NFL History. That’s not something you dismiss lightly.
Finally, plenty of Kickers were highly successful that are much older than Mason Crosby. It’s a position that isn’t as readily affected by moderate aging.

 

[Pkrjones]

Regarding Crosby's XP misses, and this does not justify Carlson's misses at all, half of Mason's career (9yrs) had extra points from 19 yds out, & 9 yrs from 32 yds out. Crosby only missed (4) from 19 yds out. He missed 15 (or 16?) from 32 yds. Don't know why Carlson has missed high amount, but he's a rookie & will (most likely) figure it out.

 

[OldSchool101]

Regarding Crosby's XP misses, and this does not justify Carlson's misses at all, half of Mason's career (9yrs) had extra points from 19 yds out, & 9 yrs from 32 yds out. Crosby only missed (4) from 19 yds out. He missed 15 (or 16?) from 32 yds. Don't know why Carlson has missed high amount, but he's a rookie & will (most likely) figure it out.

Good point

Another thing I should clarify is GB has been pretty good with assessing talent overall. If Carlson stayed on his current trajectory he’s probably going to get better before he gets worse. If he stays in that 85%+ FGM he’s a keeper. He’s just a sliver shy
If he’s making FG at around 85% or greater, it stands to reason he’ll increase efficiency of his XPM #

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Regarding Crosby's XP misses, and this does not justify Carlson's misses at all, half of Mason's career (9yrs) had extra points from 19 yds out, & 9 yrs from 32 yds out. Crosby only missed (4) from 19 yds out. He missed 15 (or 16?) from 32 yds. Don't know why Carlson has missed high amount, but he's a rookie & will (most likely) figure it out.

You beat me to the punch! There are a lot of factors when it comes to missed kicks, whether it is the kicker, holder, snapper, blockers, weather, etc.

This isn't to say that Carlson doesn't need to get better, but it is to say that some folks, IMO, are over-reacting to his season. While there is no doubt I wish we had Brandon Aubrey, who hasn't missed a FG all year (35 of 35), Aubrey has missed 3 XP's this season. Also, Aubrey isn't technically a rookie, he is 28 years old and played for the USFL Birmingham Stallions for 2 seasons, before the Cowboys signed him.

Give the kid some time, he will be fine.

 

[milani]

I'm less worried about Carlson than some of you. He's a rookie, he's going to have his share of yips. Would I rather have him or Crosby out there with 3 seconds on the clock and a 50 yarder sends the Packers to the Super Bowl? Probably would prefer a veteran like Crosby, unless there was a stiff wind blowing in his face.

Anyway, much like Love throwing an errant ball, Reed dropping a pass, the young guys are more prone to making mistakes, give Anders some time, he'll have ice throwing through his veins in a few years.

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Crosby actually had a good season his rookie year. He kicked the game winner in his debut vs. the Eagles. It was 08 and 09 when he missed some crucial kicks. Then he became consistent except for that one season.

 

[Poppa San]

Regardless of where we go from here. One thing Mason rarely does is miss. Mason missed 20 XPA across 16 seasons (1.25 per season)
Carlson has missed quite a few. While in not panicking, I am closely watching Carlson, because he’s responsible for points and points win games. We should also at least be able to discuss the topic of we see an anomoly.
I’m not as concerned about the misses as I am the timing. Across the first 5 contests (with attempts) Carlson was a perfect 15/15 XPM.
Since they Carlson has missed XPA in 5 of the last 8 games. That’s more than 3 seasons of missed XP Kicks for Crosby. It’s a concern until we get in that area where it’s 2 per season
We were fortunate it hasn’t cost us more games.

IIRC one XP was blocked and at least one had a bad snap. Need to get ALL the mechanics from all three moving parts into automatic mode.

 

[milani]

IIRC one XP was blocked and at least one had a bad snap. Need to get ALL the mechanics from all three moving parts into automatic mode.

Crosby kicked more of his PATs from 20 yards than he did from 33. There is a difference. The rule change has an effect.

 

[Heyjoe4]

IIRC one XP was blocked and at least one had a bad snap. Need to get ALL the mechanics from all three moving parts into automatic mode.

Good point. A successful kick = good snap, good catch and placement of ball, good kick. Add to that indoors on grass or indoors on a carpet, weather......

The kicking unit will need to add time to practicing PATs - same distance, same place on the field. This is one reason why the long snapper is critical. It's not as easy as just finding a new one. It is a unique skill and the three guys need to work together (not sure who calls the snap but they all need to know the count, sorta obvious but hey.....). To some extent, the same is true for the placeholder. But consistent snaps makes that job pretty routine.

All this said, there was only one game (I think) decided by one point - Atlanta 25, GB 24? And I don't know if a PAT was missed, and even if there was, a loss can't be solely placed on the kicker - well usually.

 

[milani]

Good point. A successful kick = good snap, good catch and placement of ball, good kick. Add to that indoors on grass or indoors on a carpet, weather......

The kicking unit will need to add time to practicing PATs - same distance, same place on the field. This is one reason why the long snapper is critical. It's not as easy as just finding a new one. It is a unique skill and the three guys need to work together (not sure who calls the snap but they all need to know the count, sorta obvious but hey.....). To some extent, the same is true for the placeholder. But consistent snaps makes that job pretty routine.

All this said, there was only one game (I think) decided by one point - Atlanta 25, GB 24? And I don't know if a PAT was missed, and even if there was, a loss can't be solely placed on the kicker - well usually.

I believe he missed a FG against the Raiders, his brother's team, that hurt us since we had to go for 6 instead of 3 on the final drive.

 

[Half Empty]

Good point. A successful kick = good snap, good catch and placement of ball, good kick. Add to that indoors on grass or indoors on a carpet, weather......

The kicking unit will need to add time to practicing PATs - same distance, same place on the field. This is one reason why the long snapper is critical. It's not as easy as just finding a new one. It is a unique skill and the three guys need to work together (not sure who calls the snap but they all need to know the count, sorta obvious but hey.....). To some extent, the same is true for the placeholder. But consistent snaps makes that job pretty routine.

All this said, there was only one game (I think) decided by one point - Atlanta 25, GB 24? And I don't know if a PAT was missed, and even if there was, a loss can't be solely placed on the kicker - well usually.

He was perfect until the Steeler game in November

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Good point. A successful kick = good snap, good catch and placement of ball, good kick. Add to that indoors on grass or indoors on a carpet, weather......

Add in "Good blocking". I know of at least 1 time and there were probably others, that the front 9 didn't do their job.

Too many people blame missed kicks on the kicker, there is way more to the process than just that. It is much like blaming every sack, incompletion or interception on the QB.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Add in "Good blocking". I know of at least 1 time and there were probably others, that the front 9 didn't do their job.

Too many people blame missed kicks on the kicker, there is way more to the process than just that. It is much like blaming every sack, incompletion or interception on the QB.

Yeah lots of moving parts on kicks - on every play really.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

I felt bad for Mason when he missed that kick against the Rams...I wonder how patient the Giants will be with him.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I felt bad for Mason when he missed that kick against the Rams...I wonder how patient the Giants will be with him.

I would imagine that the Giants won't be rushing to give Mason another contract. He is getting paid $61,800/game, so it isn't like he broke their bank.

Come 2024, if he doesn't fully retire, he may get another shot with a team, but my guess is that most teams will opt for a younger leg.

 

[Pkrjones]

I felt bad for Mason when he missed that kick against the Rams...I wonder how patient the Giants will be with him.

What else are they playng for? Won't hurt to keep him for 1 more game.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I would imagine that the Giants won't be rushing to give Mason another contract. He is getting paid $61,800/game, so it isn't like he broke their bank.

Come 2024, if he doesn't fully retire, he may get another shot with a team, but my guess is that most teams will opt for a younger leg.

I wonder why he wants to keep playing? He's had a good, long career in the NFL. Sure a salary around $1 or $2 mil looks good but really, for him, is it worth it? And even he must know he can't kick out of the end zone anymore. I don't get it. I really like the guy, great Packer.

Well we all feel differently about "retiring" and I'm sure it's different for someone in their late 30s, early 40s. Boredom is a good excuse.

 

[milani]

I wonder why he wants to keep playing? He's had a good, long career in the NFL. Sure a salary around $1 or $2 mil looks good but really, for him, is it worth it? And even he must know he can't kick out of the end zone anymore. I don't get it. I really like the guy, great Packer.

Well we all feel differently about "retiring" and I'm sure it's different for someone in their late 30s, early 40s. Boredom is a good excuse.

There are 32 teams and colleges are producing plenty of kickers with strong legs but....there are teams that may want to give him a try next year.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I wonder why he wants to keep playing? He's had a good, long career in the NFL. Sure a salary around $1 or $2 mil looks good but really, for him, is it worth it? And even he must know he can't kick out of the end zone anymore. I don't get it. I really like the guy, great Packer.

Well we all feel differently about "retiring" and I'm sure it's different for someone in their late 30s, early 40s. Boredom is a good excuse.

I guess I would ask you this. If you were a family man, wife and 5 kids, would you pass up making hundreds of thousands of dollars, doing something you love?

Crosby is playing a position that has very little risk for long term injuries that would be life changing. I wouldn't blame him for wanting to build a bigger nest egg, as long as he can. There are only 4 place kickers in the HOF, I doubt he is worried about ruining his chances of getting in, since there is no chance. He will be a shoe-in (pun intended) to make the Packer HOF. Continuing his career for as long as he can, won't jeopardize that.

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