Free Agency: Packers Should Green Bay Pursue?

[isocleas2]

A vet defensive tackle + TE are the only spots left to address imo, can wait until the draft to get a couple of WR.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Robby Anderson or Eric Ebron. Team absolutely needs help in receiving game and both those guys would certainly provide that.

 

[PackAttack12]

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*****. Good luck.

Good for Jimmy though. Fleeced the Bears.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

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*****. Good luck.

Good for Jimmy though. Fleeced the Bears.

I knew Jimmy would still get offers....but really, $8M/year? The Bears now have a pair of $8M tight ends in Trey Burton and Jimmy Graham. I suppose they are resigning Cutler too?!

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[Pokerbrat2000]

It's been a pretty good day in the North!

The Vikings/Bears/Lions today spent $132 million on Kirk Cousins, Halapoulivaati Vaitai, and Jimmy Graham.

Green Bay spends $27 million AT MOST on Christian Kirksey & Rick Wagner.

I think the only thing that could really cap it off is if the Bears sign Jameis Winston to something like a $30M/year deal!

This is even worse than Cutleresque of a stat!

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[Pugger]

MN did make a good move IMO. Bills are trading a 1st-round pick, a 5th-round pick, a 6th-round pick and a 2021 4th-round pick for Vikings WR Stefon Diggs and a 2020 7th-round pick. This is a pretty good haul for the Vikes, unfortunately.

 

[bigbubbatd]

MN did make a good move IMO. Bills are trading a 1st-round pick, a 5th-round pick, a 6th-round pick and a 2021 4th-round pick for Vikings WR Stefon Diggs and a 2020 7th-round pick. This is a pretty good haul for the Vikes, unfortunately.

It would be foolish for anyone to say that isnt a good haul for the Vikings. The problem for the Vikings is they are making moves like their window is now so moving Diggs definitely doesnt make them better. They likely will draft a wr round 1 and I highly doubt a rookie wr comes close to diggs production. The other two picks this year are late. It could make them better in a couple years but definitely looks like a step back this year.

 

[Mondio]

That was a good trade for the Vikings

 

[tynimiller]

It would be foolish for anyone to say that isnt a good haul for the Vikings. The problem for the Vikings is they are making moves like their window is now so moving Diggs definitely doesnt make them better. They likely will draft a wr round 1 and I highly doubt a rookie wr comes close to diggs production. The other two picks this year are late. It could make them better in a couple years but definitely looks like a step back this year.

It 100% makes them better team wise, yes in the one specific position there may be touch of growing pains, but the dude had become a virus in that organization. As a Packer fan I wanted him to stay there and cause turmoil...

 

[Mondio]

on paper, maybe it looks like they got worse. he was a talented WR, but those malcontent divas can create havoc in the locker room and affect the team. They have holes, WE have holes. They're going to need someone to step up, but so do WE. Every team has to rely on someone to step in and step up.

If I was MN I would not be missing Diggs, and definitely would not be fretting over what they were just able to take from the Bills to unload Diggs. That's a win all the way around in my book.

 

[tynimiller]

Had to update my TE list:

-Marcedes Lewis - sign him.


Jacob Hollister - RFA The ex-Patriot traded over to the Seahawks filled in when injury struck and did quite admirably. 41 receptions, 350 yards and 3 TDs. Many seem incredibly undecided on him...but at 26 years old, with enough tape study a team may like what they see.

Eric Ebron - UFA I keep forgetting he is only 26 years old...and his raw chops cannot be questioned...however he reminds me of a young James Jones hands wise, but has struggled for years there. He is a serious red zone threat for sure, and if he ever figures the hands thing he seriously would be a top 5 arguably, top 10 TE without a doubt. He made $5Million last year, had a slightly down year and I fear he is going to enjoy the limited TE pool pay wise, but still could be worth a study and discussion. I expect he'll be in that $7M area honestly like Olsen if on a single year deal.

*Blake Jarwin - COWBOYS PAID HIM

**Tyler Eifert UFA - This is my runner up darkhorse. Plagued by injuries (red flag...but also discount possibly) he finally had a healthy season in 2019 and put up respectable numbers and finally was able to show what many have always said was there; a highly skilled TE capable of starting nearly anywhere. His injuries worry me, but at 6'6' and 250 his athleticism is awesome on that frame...and if you look at the years he played at least 10 games he is a 40, 400 type TE (receptions, yards) and 3.5-4.5 TDs as well in those years.

Darren Fells - RESIGNED

Ricky Seals-Jones - RFA Yet another younger, not quite proven guy, that I'm not 100% sold on, but as we know the pool is very limited. RSJ saw the field in 2019 about as much as Tonyan, but in 2018 saw over 500 snaps, put forth 34 receptions and 340 yards. 6'5' 243lb, I like his frame and being just 24 years old again there is promise of growth which he has exhibited. He is like Jarwin, but IMO is even more of a roll of the dice future wise. Upside is high, unknowns are arguably as well...

With Hooper signing and CLE still have stud (IMO) Njoku on their roster set to return....RSJ is more than likely going to be out there for the taking.

That was my list I've kinda stuck with.....however, I've decided given the organizations situation both cap space and needing receiving options I'm gonna throw a name out there which I 100% admit is a coin toss as to what is going to happen.

Jordan Reed (Age:29) - I know instantly half of your eyes rolled...and the other half is divided into two groups: those saying "**** no" and an eyeroll OR you are slowly having a grin creep across your face.

Reed has accomplished more than Graham ever did in a year for us, in all but one of his abbreviated seasons (2017 when in just 6 games he had 2TDs and 211yds still!). I mean fellas his output for the injury history he has is kinda amazing truly. If you get over 10 games out of him he is nearly a LOCK for 500 yards and 2-4 TDs...with a surefire chance in the MLF system to look closer to his 2015/2016 seasons if you get a dozen or so. He truly is a gamble...you will either pay for a guy to sit on IR....OR.....you have when healthy arguably one of the BEST TEs presently in the game.

One cannot emphasize the health issue you are taking on with him...I mean folks SEVEN documented concussions since 2010 is NOT something to scoff at or overlook. However, if the guy wants to play, and physically checks out I 100% believe he could be had for a steal. With a similarly aged and more reliable (albeit worse receiving threat) Demetrius Harris getting $1.65M from the Bears I think that is a solid starting point with Reed. If you can ink him for that $1-$2M a year area with maybe some escalators to sweeten the pot, it is a gamble I 100% at this point in Rodgers career believe in doing OR at minimum looking into.

This dude can freaking ball when in....key is WHEN IN. With our shrinking cap space and pending contracts and unknowns....this is the type of boom or bust FA signing I think is worth the minimal risk of.

 

[Pkrjones]

Jordan Reed (Age:29) - I know instantly half of your eyes rolled...and the other half is divided into two groups: those saying "**** no" and an eyeroll OR you are slowly having a grin creep across your face.
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One cannot emphasize the health issue you are taking on with him...I mean folks SEVEN documented concussions since 2010 is NOT something to scoff at or overlook. However, if the guy wants to play, and physically checks out I 100% believe he could be had for a steal.

The Packers cut Sam Shields due to concussion issues and encouraged him to retire, which he didn't heed. Reed is STILL in concussion protocol 8 months after his last one, which wiped-out his '19 season. I HIGHLY doubt Packer brass want to risk being tied to this guy being a vegetable by 35, not worth it. Reed needs to retire, not become a Packer, IMHO.
https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/timeline-jordan-reeds-concussion-injury-history

 

[tynimiller]

The Packers cut Sam Shields due to concussion issues and encouraged him to retire, which he didn't heed. Reed is STILL in concussion protocol 8 months after his last one, which wiped-out his '19 season. I HIGHLY doubt Packer brass want to risk being tied to this guy being a vegetable by 35, not worth it. Reed needs to retire, not become a Packer, IMHO.
https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/timeline-jordan-reeds-concussion-injury-history

Please don't read into my post as to saying I think health wise it is a good decision. If I was a friend of Jordan's I'd be telling him...no I'd be stealing his cleats and hanging them up. I'm thinking purely from a football standpoint this is the type of deal which truly is the BOOM or BUST deal. Tyler Eifert to a vastly lesser degree is similar, but because his isn't as severe I suspect his value is going to be pushed up...but I'd argue the same thing for him as well. Those two are the only viable options at TE that I feel we can afford and are for sure instant upgrades to our TE room over anything we've had recently IF they are on the field.

It is a big stretch question he can even pass a physical honestly.

 

[bigbubbatd]

It 100% makes them better team wise, yes in the one specific position there may be touch of growing pains, but the dude had become a virus in that organization. As a Packer fan I wanted him to stay there and cause turmoil...

You could be right that the locker room becomes better and that is enough but if you look at that offense right now it is hard to afraid of it. Again they won that trade. Think they did great to get what they did. All I am saying is this is a guy who averaged 18 ypc with over 1100 yards last year and caught 100 balls the year before that all while only missing two games over that time. Minnesota's other wrs combined did not have as many yards as Diggs. Now Theilen will likely be healthy but if he gets injured again they have less depth, talent and production that the Packers at wrs and we are all begging for at least 1 more wr.

 

[tynimiller]

You could be right that the locker room becomes better and that is enough but if you look at that offense right now it is hard to afraid of it. Again they won that trade. Think they did great to get what they did. All I am saying is this is a guy who averaged 18 ypc with over 1100 yards last year and caught 100 balls the year before that all while only missing two games over that time. Minnesota's other wrs combined did not have as many yards as Diggs. Now Theilen will likely be healthy but if he gets injured again they have less depth, talent and production that the Packers at wrs and we are all begging for at least 1 more wr.

Yup wouldn't disagree with really anything you stated.

One thing some of these trades and moves have done is confirm the confidence apparent in this year's WR options in the draft. The Texans and Vikings now can be added to the potential WR needing teams as of now...but you can cross Arizona off round one possible WR landing spots I'd bet now.

 

[Dantés]

The trade is really #22 for Diggs. All the other stuff is mostly irrelevant. 5th+ round picks are lotto tickets.

The Bills got a 26 year, pro-bowl caliber WR, with four years of control at almost 50% his market value.

The Vikings got the 22nd overall pick.

This is not a popular opinion, but I think the Bills won that trade.

 

[bigbubbatd]

Yup wouldn't disagree with really anything you stated.

One thing some of these trades and moves have done is confirm the confidence apparent in this year's WR options in the draft. The Texans and Vikings now can be added to the potential WR needing teams as of now...but you can cross Arizona off round one possible WR landing spots I'd bet now.

I completely agree. I would assume Minnesota drafts a wr in the first round now but they desperately need help at cb and ol too. I would be shocked if they dont go cb with one of their first two picks

 

[tynimiller]

WHOA....LVR signed Nick Kwiatkoski for just $7M a year for 3 years....I think everyone in a year or two is gonna think this was a steal. As everyone knows I am a Kirksey fan, and was since he got released for us...but I truly expected Kwiat to flirt with that $8-$9M/year range...mildly shocked.

 

[Mondio]

The trade is really #22 for Diggs. All the other stuff is mostly irrelevant. 5th+ round picks are lotto tickets.

The Bills got a 26 year, pro-bowl caliber WR, with four years of control at almost 50% his market value.

The Vikings got the 22nd overall pick.

This is not a popular opinion, but I think the Bills won that trade.

on paper it's not that bad, reality I think will prove different.

If he sees the ball, he's going to want more money. You can see that writing on the wall.

and if he doesn't see the ball, he's going to be a problem.

 

[Dantés]

on paper it's not that bad, reality I think will prove different.

If he sees the ball, he's going to want more money. You can see that writing on the wall.

and if he doesn't see the ball, he's going to be a problem.

Maybe. We think we know that, but do we really? Diggs was seeing the ball a lot last year and still wanted out.

 

[bigbubbatd]

Maybe. We think we know that, but do we really? Diggs was seeing the ball a lot last year and still wanted out.

One thing is that players can want out for more reasons that not getting the ball. Zimmer is a tough coach and had a history of calling out players in the media. Maybe diggs just didn't like Zimmer. Maybe wants a new deal. Who knows. The bills are taking a risk but gaining talent. The Vikings are losing talent but gaining draft capital. As a packer fine I am fine with that.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

Maybe. We think we know that, but do we really? Diggs was seeing the ball a lot last year and still wanted out.

This one bears watching. Diggs has tremendous ability, but gives every indication of be a head-case. I'm not sure that plays well in Buffalo.

 

[Dantés]

This one bears watching. Diggs has tremendous ability, but gives every indication of be a head-case. I'm not sure that plays well in Buffalo.

The beautiful thing is that even if he turns out to be a total diva malcontent and a problem for Buffalo, the reality remains that Minnesota lost their best offensive player.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

The beautiful thing is that even if he turns out to be a total diva malcontent and a problem for Buffalo, the reality remains that Minnesota lost their best offensive player.

Certainly their most dynamic offensive player....Some might argue that Dalvin Cook is their best. We have seen the Vikings struggle mightily when he hasn't been available, or when teams scheme to shut him down.

Minnesota will have to replace Diggs somehow this off-season - Their offense as presently constituted won't measure up.

 

[PackAttack12]

The trade is really #22 for Diggs. All the other stuff is mostly irrelevant. 5th+ round picks are lotto tickets.

The Bills got a 26 year, pro-bowl caliber WR, with four years of control at almost 50% his market value.

The Vikings got the 22nd overall pick.

This is not a popular opinion, but I think the Bills won that trade.

I do like the trade for both sides, but those other selections can be packaged together to obtain a better asset (higher draft selection).

Minny had to move on, and the Bills added some serious firepower to their offense. Win, win.

The beautiful thing is that even if he turns out to be a total diva malcontent and a problem for Buffalo, the reality remains that Minnesota lost their best offensive player.

I could see Minnesota taking a drastic shift backwards this season in light of all of the changes they've made.