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I've been on the fire Capers bandwagon since this thread started. He consistently shows the inability to adjust schemes to the level of his talent. One can't continue to do the same things and expect a different result. He continues to call blitzes, for instance, even though they are practically never effective. This bend and don't break crap is not going to win a championship.

Just curious what his "level of talent" is that he should adjust to? I mean, he has one impact player on that defense in Daniels....not real sure what scheme is making that group of players an above average defense.
 

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Sunshine Packer is spot-on questioning the talent of the players Capers has to work with. It can't be dismissed as though the problem is Capers' exclusively.

Amongst Thompson, the coaching staff and the players it's a bit like "Rock, Paper, Scissors." If the talent is performing inadequately is it the GM, coaches, or the players that should be held most accountable? Accountability will vary from individual player to individual player but, in general, the overall dearth of impact players on this defense could be a clue. Maybe too many of them cannot be "coached-up."

Personally, I feel Thompson relies too heavily on the draft and UDFA players. Not exercising all available options gives him less of a margin between success and failure when compared to a GM who will consider exercising all his options. I'm not absolving Capers of any accountability for his part in calling plays that may put players in situations where they fail. But Capers cannot turn chicken stuff into chicken salad, either. Nor can any of the other coaches.

So, when a DB is slow to react, is slow afoot with little or no recovery speed, slow "upstairs" and struggles mightily to tackle consistently, consider who is most responsible for bringing him to the team. The same holds true when a TE - any TE - cannot block to save his life.

I'm not confident that coaches anywhere in the NFL could ever turn some of these current players on the Packer roster into bonafide impact players, let alone average players at their respective positions. JAGS maybe. For some reason drafting impact players for this defense seems to have been mostly a crap-shoot for Thompson over the past decade. It's not his forte, apparently.

Some holes on a roster may need to be addressed in FA. Unfortunately, it's the road rarely traveled in Green Bay, even when all other avenues fall short.
 
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I thought I saw Gunter shadowing Jeffrey after he was eating up Randall. Gunter has turned into a real plus for the D and seems to be our best cover player.
 

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I thought I saw Gunter shadowing Jeffrey after he was eating up Randall. Gunter has turned into a real plus for the D and seems to be our best cover player.

Gunter did cover him a couple times . They finally realized that Randall was to small and weak and put Hyde on the outside. If they ever find a corner who's instinctive, physical, and fast that would be a tremendous help to this defense. Our corners are chumps seriously. They can't tackle and they can't play bump and run. Man I miss Woodson and Al Harris!
 

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I thought I saw Gunter shadowing Jeffrey after he was eating up Randall. Gunter has turned into a real plus for the D and seems to be our best cover player.
Hmm I think Rollins is the best cover corner but all the corners besides Brice are afraid of contact. Watch Rollins Randall and gunter on run and screen plays it's like they don't even try and get off blocks. Brice I think needs more playing time. Just my opinion.
 
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While I agree in theory.... I'm not sure it worked as well as it might have appeared early on.... those picks by Clinton Dix stopped drives early on too

Agreed, here's a link to an article about it:

http://www.packersnews.com/story/sp...s-defense-julius-peppers-dom-capers/95611178/

I'd also play more man to man...if you can't cover your guy for at least three seconds? Then you can't play on my defense.

Well, unfortunately the Packers don't have enough talented cornerbacks on the roster to make decisions like that.

I thought I saw Gunter shadowing Jeffrey after he was eating up Randall. Gunter has turned into a real plus for the D and seems to be our best cover player.

The Packers went with Rollins covering Jeffrey after benching Randall but that didn't work out as well.

Perry is a impact player

Unfortunately he hasn't been able to play for several weeks and only had an impact with Matthews playing at full strength.

Hmm I think Rollins is the best cover corner but all the corners besides Brice are afraid of contact. Watch Rollins Randall and gunter on run and screen plays it's like they don't even try and get off blocks. Brice I think needs more playing time. Just my opinion.

Brice is a physical defensive back but still makes too many mistakes to justify getting more playing time.
 

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Brice is a physical defensive back but still makes too many mistakes to justify getting more playing time.[/QUOTE]

Reps are the best teacher tho. I think he should get more PT as well. On passing downs you can move Burnett to LB and being Brice in.
 
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Reps are the best teacher tho. I think he should get more PT as well. On passing downs you can move Burnett to LB and being Brice in.

I´m fine with giving young player reps to improve during practice, the preseason and early in the regular season. With a playoff spot on the line it´s not the time for inexperienced guys to get playing time though.
 

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Now is not the time in the season for players to get reps. It's time for the players that have earned time, to just get it done.
 
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Easy!! First I wouldn't have played Clay Matthews as much...absolutely ineffective. He was either being pushed out of the play, or couldn't generate enough force to make Barkley have to step up in the pocket. Mix that with his occasional over running of the play...he was a non factor. I would've created a pkg that would allow both Elliot and Lowry to be on the field as stand up rush ends on passing downs and taken my chances with two healthy guys vs one guy playing at 85%.

Secondly. I would've called more double A gap blitzes. Our d line is built to stop the run, not getting pressure on the qb and that shows..so you essentially have 3 run stuffers vs 5 linemen. You have to bring more pressure up the middle so that the qb is forced to leave the pocket and run into those edge rushers...not rush the edge only and depend on applied pressure up the middle. Hasn't worked all year. Capers will occasionally call a gap blitz but it's usually a 210 lb safety going head on with a 300 lb offenseive linemen.

Thirdly. I'd Create a pass rushing pkg where youhave Perry at DE, Peppers at DT, Daniels at DT, Matthews at DE, Martinez to ilb, HCD to OlB and Burnett to the other OLB, Hyde Fs, Brice SS, Rollins cb, and Randall cb. Matthews and Perry would be stand up rush ends. This is a pass rushing pkg that defends the pass at the same time... as your two olbs are safeties who can tackle, and are solid enough in the passing game to cover ground and run with backs and Tight ends. Be creative in the scheme.
*Assuming all these guys are healthy

I'd also play more man to man...if you can't cover your guy for at least three seconds? Then you can't play on my defense. Get up and bump and run with the guy. No more free release 8 yards off crap.
For MIN, might as well. These guys can't play zone D without getting gashed in the middle of the field or between the up corner and back safety down the sidelines. Man D exposes you to the QB run. Bradford's not that guy. Nor is he a particularly effective deep passer which reduces the chance of getting beat over the top in man.

Bradford will be coming in with confidence. He eviscerated this secondary in the 2015 preseason with Philly and came back again this year with his best game of the season on opening day. Gonna have to get some pressure somewhere; let him just stand in and he'll **** and dunk this D all day. Somebody has to cover Diggs. I'd give that job to Burnett in the man scheme.
 
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Bradford will be coming in with confidence. He eviscerated this secondary in the 2015 preseason with Philly and came back again this year with his best game of the season on opening day. Gonna have to get some pressure somewhere; let him just stand in and he'll **** and dunk this D all day. Somebody has to cover Diggs. I'd give that job to Burnett in the man scheme.

While Bradford has had success against the Packers lately he will hardly have a ton of confidence after the way the Vikings offense has performed over the past few weeks.
 

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While Bradford has had success against the Packers lately he will hardly have a ton of confidence after the way the Vikings offense has performed over the past few weeks.
Hopefully, they will spend a lot of effort and waste plays feeding AP more of those 1 yard runs.
 

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The Packers should learn a lesson from their own offense, give AR enough time and he is going to pick you apart. Packers D has to find a way to get pressure on Bradford this weekend and its going to be even more important against Stafford next week. All year long our secondary has shown that they just aren't talented enough to do it on their own. Not sure what Capers has to dial up and with who, but get it done.
 
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While Bradford has had success against the Packers lately he will hardly have a ton of confidence after the way the Vikings offense has performed over the past few weeks.
Oh, he had a nice game against JAX 2 weeks ago. As long as he's not put in a 10 - 14 point hole and starts forcing throws, I suspect he'll have good success.
 

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I´m fine with giving young player reps to improve during practice, the preseason and early in the regular season. With a playoff spot on the line it´s not the time for inexperienced guys to get playing time though.
Unless your James Stark in 2010. :)
 
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