Fire Capers

[Carl 2]

Prescott had been playing average this year. I was also referring to the Colin Kaepernick's, Blake Bortles, Matt Barkley, Sam Bradford.

He had a rough game at Denver and was good the other 4 and was clearly above average all last year.

Judging the defense based on calling Prescott average just isn't accurate.

 

[Carl 2]

It's interesting looking at other teams forums.

For example, looking at a Dallas forum, it's full of "Linehan sucks. Our defense sucks. Fire this guy and this guy." And when Prescott scored, it talking about how good he was.

On our forum, it's the exact opposite where the last drive was the greatness of Rodgers and the Cowboys success was all on Capers.

The reality is likely in between both of those with a combo of good offensive play and bad defensive play.

 

[Carl 2]

Trying to get into a semantics game about "wasn't good" v.s. "atrocious". lol.

But I'll play along. I would say forcing just one punt all day long classifies as atrocious. And on that drive they still made it to around mid field after a 3rd and 12 screen pass came up a yard short. Glad they decided not to go for it.

One punt and a pick six. Unless forcing a put would be better?

I don't understand the metric of looking only at that stat.

For example, there was a Bears game a few years ago where the Bears didn't punt, but had 3 picks.

I'm looking at the metric of 24 net points as not atrocious.

Yes the pick six was a fortunate bounce, but the fact is it happened.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

To be fair, Dallas hasn't failed on a third or fourth and 1 all season.

The Packers actually stopped the Cowboys on a third-and-1 in the second quarter. Of course just to give up the first down on the next play.

THIS, seems to be a reoccurring theme with QB's that face the Packers defense, they "play a great game", "one of their bests"....when are the Packers going to start making average QB's look average? Sam Bradford looked terrible tonight against the Bears, is he going to turn it all around and look like a Pro Bowler against the Packers? I hope not.

Capers' defenses have actually excelled playing against average or below quarterbacks. Unfortunately the unit hasn't found a way to contain good passers over the past six years.

The problem is that it is not just against Dallas that this has been a glaring issue, and what I’m referencing is not getting off the field when it’s 3rd and long. We seem to give those up on a regular basis.

While that might be the perception of a lot of Packers the defense actually ranks sixth in the league in first down percentage given up on third- or fourth-and-10+ yards since the start of the 2011 season.

 

[Sanguine camper]

Pathetic is pushing it. 31 points (really 24 with the pick 6) against good offense with a QB who played perfectly wasn't good, but it wasn't pathetic or atrocious like another posted said.

Prescott played out of his mind, which of course isn't considered at all by many because for some reason it's always all on Capers and only Capers.

They were about 2 inches away from having a decent day.

Not defending Capers or making any judgement on whether he should keep his job, which I would be accused of if I didn't say.

Just saying I disagree on your assessment of the D yesterday and Prescott being great was a big part of it.

When they can't get off the field because receivers are routinely wide open, it is pathetic. While Dak is very good, it isn't difficult to complete passes to wide open receivers. Witten must be near 40 but he still manages to be wide open on 3rd down when we all know his speed isn't what it used to be. Before the Packer game there was plenty of discussion in Cowboy blogs if Witten had hit the wall. When the defense needs to maje a stop like the middle of the fourth quarter with a lead, they fold like a cheap tent. Again, I would say that's pathetic because they show no character with the game on the line.

 

[rodell330]

MM stood up and told Favre and all of Packer nation that the train has left the building, and you think the man has no balls LOL

I mean it only took Favre how many times saying he was retiring for the franchise to make that decision? Seriously bro. Not to mention the FACT that they HAD to give the guy they drafted in the 1st rd a chance to play going into the final year of his contract. You left those key points out...it was a nice try tho haha

 

[Mondio]

I mean it only took Favre how many times saying he was retiring for the franchise to make that decision? Seriously bro. Not to mention the FACT that they HAD to give the guy they drafted in the 1st rd a chance to play going into the final year of his contract. You left those key points out...it was a nice try tho haha

obviously it was such an obvious and easy thing to do, as represented by that complete lack of any sort of backlash against, Rodgers, TT, MM and the GB Packers for getting rid of Favre. You're right. LOL

Sorry, you have no clue if you think MM has no balls. Do you even like football?

 

[PackAttack12]

One punt and a pick six. Unless forcing a put would be better?

I don't understand the metric of looking only at that stat.

For example, there was a Bears game a few years ago where the Bears didn't punt, but had 3 picks.

I'm looking at the metric of 24 net points as not atrocious.

Yes the pick six was a fortunate bounce, but the fact is it happened.

If you're going to use that one fortunate play as proof that the defense wasn't atrocious then I'm at a loss for words.

Yes, it happened. And yes, I'm glad it did. It helped win the game. But it doesn't change how bad the defense was.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

If you're going to use that one fortunate play as proof that the defense wasn't atrocious then I'm at a loss for words.

Yes, it happened. And yes, I'm glad it did. It helped win the game. But it doesn't change how bad the defense was.

Hey, we won the game!! Woot Woot! That covers up a crappy defense anytime for some. I will take a W any time and day, but it still doesn't change the fact that as of today, the Packers defense isn't that good and if they don't improve, I fully expect to lose games against teams with quality offenses and we don't benefit from turnovers. Last season during the #runthetable....the Packers started playing better, but the turnovers also helped a lot! While some turnovers are sheer luck (Randall pick 6) some can be forced and I would love to start seeing our DB's intercepting balls due to great coverage. Strip sacks are nice too.....but I won't be greedy.

 

[rodell330]

obviously it was such an obvious and easy thing to do, as represented by that complete lack of any sort of backlash against, Rodgers, TT, MM and the GB Packers for getting rid of Favre. You're right. LOL

Sorry, you have no clue if you think MM has no balls. Do you even like football?

Lol do you? I'm glad you admitted it was obvious to do tho.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Hey, we won the game!! Woot Woot! That covers up a crappy defense anytime for some. I will take a W any time and day, but it still doesn't change the fact that as of today, the Packers defense isn't that good and if they don't improve, I fully expect to lose games against teams with quality offenses and we don't benefit from turnovers.

You might have to add that the offense has to perform at a level close to perfection for the Packers to win against teams with good offenses.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

You might have to add that the offense has to perform at a level close to perfection for the Packers to win against teams with good offenses.

There within lies the a big reason the Packers have fallen short of a trip to the SB in recent years. Relying on your QB and the offense to win games every time out, especially against the top 10 teams, doesn't always pan out.

 

[rmontro]

The Packers actually stopped the Cowboys on a third-and-1 in the second quarter. Of course just to give up the first down on the next play.

They mentioned on the broadcast that the Cowboys haven't been stopped for a third and one or a fourth and one all year. But I'll take your word for it. Maybe they meant that they hadn't been stopped on a third and one or a fourth and one to end a drive. Still an impressive stat. I remember Packer teams where it seemed like they couldn't buy a one yard gain for a first down.

Anyway, at the end of the game and it looked like we had stopped them for fourth and one, I thought that was a big boost for the defense, who looked like they were pretty gassed. But the call was overturned and they got the first down anyway.

 

[Poppa San]

But the call was overturned and they got the first down anyway.

I still haven't figured out how "breaking the plane" results in a first down. He voluntarily surrendered the yardage by pulling the ball back before the whistle blew.

 

[Packer Brother]

This isn't a SB contending team. We all know it. Thus, ill try to enjoy the body of the movie ( First 16 games) before the inevitable sad conclusion ( Getting anialated in Atlanta). Sunday changed nothing. Rodgers can't carry this garbage D by himself.

 

[GleefulGary]

Ok.

First touchdown should've been a FG. That was just an awful call.

Then was it the last drive where Elliot put the ball over the line, voluntarily brought it back to his body, and they still gave it to him? That was a bad call too. Stopped them on 3rd and short and 4th and short.

Actually got a legit punt.

Then got a pick 6.

So really, a punt, what should have been two turnovers, and a FG. That's a 10-11 point swing right there gentleman. Now if we had actually limited them to 21 points, I would assume most of you would be ecstatic. I don't really like to blame the refs for anything, but those were egregious calls, and I do think that we should reflect them.

 

[GleefulGary]

Prescott had been playing average this year. I was also referring to the Colin Kaepernick's, Blake Bortles, Matt Barkley, Sam Bradford.

Prescott has not been playing average this year.

Watch the games, don't just look at stats. Prescott is a very good QB.

 

[rmontro]

The Packers won despite the defensive performance not because of it though.

Oh, I completely agree. But this was a home game for Dallas, they have a very good offense, and they were rolling. The Packers didn't stop them (certainly not at the end), but they did slow them down in spots. I give them a few points for that. My thought during the game was whoever had the ball last was going to win. That didn't literally happen, but it was close.

I still haven't figured out how "breaking the plane" results in a first down. He voluntarily surrendered the yardage by pulling the ball back before the whistle blew.

Yeah, I don't remember seeing that before, they treated the first down like a touch down. The announcers certainly seemed to think it worked that way. And so did the referees when they reviewed it. I'm not sure what the actual rule is though.

This isn't a SB contending team. We all know it. Thus, ill try to enjoy the body of the movie ( First 16 games) before the inevitable sad conclusion ( Getting anialated in Atlanta). Sunday changed nothing. Rodgers can't carry this garbage D by himself.

I tend to agree with you, but this team does seem better than last year. They've avoided the slow start that they usually get off to. They've avoided being backed into a corner before getting it together. Rodgers seems to be on a mission. The defense seems improved, at least a little. Maybe not enough, and maybe not enough to make the difference. Ted made some good draft picks, and actually got some free agents.

Maybe I've been drinking the kool aid, but I feel like they at least have a chance this year, whereas I didn't think they had any chance at all last March. They definitely need to avoid going through Atlanta though.

 

[swhitset]

This isn't a SB contending team. We all know it. Thus, ill try to enjoy the body of the movie ( First 16 games) before the inevitable sad conclusion ( Getting anialated in Atlanta). Sunday changed nothing. Rodgers can't carry this garbage D by himself.

It's a long season. The Falcons are a good team, but they almost lost to the Bears. Anything could happen, they match up very well against the Packers, but they have to play others as well. They may not even be a factor at the end of the year. I think they will, but who knows ...injuries could hobble them etc... Let's just hope the Packers continue to win, and worry about the Playoffs when they get here.

 

[Mike McCarthy]

The Packers actually stopped the Cowboys on a third-and-1 in the second quarter. Of course just to give up the first down on the next play.



Capers' defenses have actually excelled playing against average or below quarterbacks. Unfortunately the unit hasn't found a way to contain good passers over the past six years.



While that might be the perception of a lot of Packers the defense actually ranks sixth in the league in first down percentage given up on third- or fourth-and-10+ yards since the start of the 2011 season.

While that may be true over the last 6 years, I was referring to this year where the packers have given up a 3rd down conversion 41% of the time, tied for 20th in the nfl, if we truly consider ourselves a super bowl contender 20th in the league isn’t going to cut it.

 

[Mike McCarthy]

Capt, you can cherry pick stats all day long to fit your argument but bottom line is this defense has the same stank as last year, and it will be our demise come playoff time once again.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I still haven't figured out how "breaking the plane" results in a first down. He voluntarily surrendered the yardage by pulling the ball back before the whistle blew.

The rule states that the referees should declare a dead ball when a runner is held or otherwise restrained so that his forward progress ends.

It seems the officiating crew at Dallas considered Elliott to be restrained by the pile of players he was on top of, therefore declaring the ball dead once he extended his arm to put it on the 19-yard line.

This isn't a SB contending team. We all know it. Thus, ill try to enjoy the body of the movie ( First 16 games) before the inevitable sad conclusion ( Getting anialated in Atlanta). Sunday changed nothing. Rodgers can't carry this garbage D by himself.

The Packers are definitely one of the favorites to win the Super Bowl. Their chances significantly increase by securing home field advantage not having to face a high powered offense on a fast track though.

First touchdown should've been a FG. That was just an awful call.

Then was it the last drive where Elliot put the ball over the line, voluntarily brought it back to his body, and they still gave it to him? That was a bad call too. Stopped them on 3rd and short and 4th and short.

So really, a punt, what should have been two turnovers, and a FG. That's a 10-11 point swing right there gentleman. Now if we had actually limited them to 21 points, I would assume most of you would be ecstatic. I don't really like to blame the refs for anything, but those were egregious calls, and I do think that we should reflect them.

There's no doubt the personal foul on Martinez was a terrible call but according to the rules I think the referees made the right decision on Elliott's fourth down run.

Overall the defense hasn't performed at a level when facing good opponents making me feel confident about their ability to contain elite offense once the playoffs roll around.

While that may be true over the last 6 years, I was referring to this year where the packers have given up a 3rd down conversion 41% of the time, tied for 20th in the nfl, if we truly consider ourselves a super bowl contender 20th in the league isn’t going to cut it.

You were specifically talking about the Packers inability to get off the field in third and long situations.

It's true the defense ranks near the bottom of the league in overall third down conversion rate and there's need for improvement in that area though.

 

[GleefulGary]

https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexPetakas/status/918280208612020224

Clay Matthews has been awesome.

A play like this doesn't show up in the stats, but he made the most impact on the play.

 

[Packer Brother]

The rule states that the referees should declare a dead ball when a runner is held or otherwise restrained so that his forward progress ends.

It seems the officiating crew at Dallas considered Elliott to be restrained by the pile of players he was on top of, therefore declaring the ball dead once he extended his arm to put it on the 19-yard line.



The Packers are definitely one of the favorites to win the Super Bowl. Their chances significantly increase by securing home field advantage not having to face a high powered offense on a fast track though.



There's no doubt the personal foul on Martinez was a terrible call but according to the rules I think the referees made the right decision on Elliott's fourth down run.

Overall the defense hasn't performed at a level when facing good opponents making me feel confident about their ability to contain elite offense once the playoffs roll around.



You were specifically talking about the Packers inability to get off the field in third and long situations.

It's true the defense ranks near the bottom of the league in overall third down conversion rate and there's need for improvement in that area though.

I'll guarantee righy now they don't make the SB. They might be 4-1 but an elite QB ( As good as he is) alone won't win championships by himself.

 

[Mondio]

I'll guarantee righy now they don't make the SB. They might be 4-1 but an elite QB ( As good as he is) alone won't win championships by himself.

Since you know how it ends, I guess we'll look forward to your insight when next year rolls around. Enjoy your time off