Farve, Rodgers history repeating

[El Guapo]

When Rodgers turned his back on cheese, the football gods frowned upon him.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

lost confidence? he's choosing not to run it at the detriment of team. someone wanted additional proof (besides what's already out there) of why i called rodgers a prima donna...that game last night should be the clincher.
a) yup, that window has come and gone;
b) agreed;
c) it's philbin's offence this year but he (rodgers) has been doing this for at least three seasons.

Rodgers has been in a conservative offense that only functions, in years past, when he scrambles and allows receivers to get open. After a few years of that I can understand (not agree with necessarily, but certainly understand) if the QB is listening to his coach draw up a play and telling Rodgers, "This guy will be open" and Rodgers is thinking, "Yeah, sure" and doing what's worked so well in the past, scrambling. The OC thing is absolutely overrated. It's MM's offense. He's the offensive coordinator. Just like Holmgren was the OC when he was also the HC.

But, let's say I'm wrong and you're correct, that doesn't change the fact that MM needs to go. We can bemoan Rodgers' supposed foolhardiness and stubbornness all we want but it's obvious that's not changing under MM. So the options are to continue to ignore history and stubbornly believe that something will suddenly change (when it hasn't for three years), trade Rodgers, or get a new HC. Only one of those options is realistic.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

When Rodgers turned his back on cheese, the football gods frowned upon him.

Then more NFL QBs need to give up cheese....19TDs, 1 INT, and on pace for a career high in yards; pretty sure every team outside KC & NO would take that.

 

[BrokenArrow]

For the record, I think they should have gone for it. But on the other hand, the offense pretty much failed to convert the entire 2nd half. Trust your defense that’s gassed and losing players or your offense that hasn’t gotten it done in critica moments for the last 30-40 minutes of the game?

I think MM opted to punt because he had already made up his mind he was not going to run the ball anymore and he didn't want AR getting sacked again, which was the trend for the night.

 

[gbgary]

So the options are to continue to ignore history and stubbornly believe that something will suddenly change (when it hasn't for three years), trade Rodgers, or get a new HC. Only one of those options is realistic.

yes...i agreed with you about that in your previous post.

 

[rmontro]

Funny this was posted last night, Cowherd was comparing Rodgers to Favre on his show today. Both strong arm, big improvisers, one Super Bowl win, etc.
The thing that surprised me that I hadn't realized that both have an all time losing record on the road. To be fair, if the stats I looked up were up date, Rodgers is 43-44, so he has a lot of time to change that.

It's an interesting list:
https://www.footballdb.com/stats/qb-records.html?type=&alltime=1

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

So why didn't he throw to wide open wr or wide open ck downs?

When mm is gone you will see. Diff Rodgers

Yeah once MM is gone within 2 years we'll see Aaron quarterbacking for the Jets, I just wonder who we'll draft with that conditional 3rd round pick

 

[PikeBadger]

I agree, he's lost confidence in the offense that MM is running. So the options are to A) trade Rodgers (not happening) , B) get a new head coach (probably happening), or C) keep MM and Rodgers and get to complain about this next year. It's obvious he doesn't trust MM's offense and, fair or not, that's not changing.

This could very well be the truth of the matter. I really wish multiple players and coaches would verbally get in Rodgers grill behind closed doors and let him know he’s as much of the problem as anyone else in the room.

 

[Mondio]

Lost confidence in the scheme or doesn't have confidence of the players? That miss to EQ for a 1st down early in the game was pretty telling to me. MM didn't forget the middle of the field exists, neither did Rodgers. They used to attack it regularly. Now its like a no fly zone. Why? a route that doesn't stop can be a pick. A receiver that stops when they should continue thru a zone is a pick. A floated pass that is tipped, is picked. A quick throw to a receiver not looking is bad news in the middle.

Now we could argue if the all these reads could be simplified for the sake of the offense, and maybe they have been but they still aren't getting it, or Rodgers has mentally checked out of that part of the game. But guys are open there and we still don't go there.

 

[swhitset]

Rodgers has been in a conservative offense that only functions, in years past, when he scrambles and allows receivers to get open. After a few years of that I can understand (not agree with necessarily, but certainly understand) if the QB is listening to his coach draw up a play and telling Rodgers, "This guy will be open" and Rodgers is thinking, "Yeah, sure" and doing what's worked so well in the past, scrambling. The OC thing is absolutely overrated. It's MM's offense. He's the offensive coordinator. Just like Holmgren was the OC when he was also the HC.

But, let's say I'm wrong and you're correct, that doesn't change the fact that MM needs to go. We can bemoan Rodgers' supposed foolhardiness and stubbornness all we want but it's obvious that's not changing under MM. So the options are to continue to ignore history and stubbornly believe that something will suddenly change (when it hasn't for three years), trade Rodgers, or get a new HC. Only one of those options is realistic.

The problem is I don’t buy it. When the next head coach draws up an offense and tells Rodgers to throw the damned ball within 2 seconds... and he is still dancing around back there after 4 .... Will it be the coaches fault then too? You have been complaining about McCarthy’s offense forever, but Aaron Rodgers has always wanted to hold the ball forever.. going all the way back to Cal. Yes he is extremely talented... but unless he gets it under control that won’t matter.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

The problem is I don’t buy it. When the next head coach draws up an offense and tells Rodgers to throw the damned ball within 2 seconds... and he is still dancing around back there after 4 .... Will it be the coaches fault then too? You have been complaining about McCarthy’s offense forever, but Aaron Rodgers has always wanted to hold the ball forever.. going all the way back to Cal. Yes he is extremely talented... but unless he gets it under control that won’t matter.

Well, then the options are to hope a new coach can get through or simply accept that Rodgers will have holes in his game that prevent him from being the best QB of all time into his late-30s (we'll just have to settle for top-5 in the current NFL). You might not buy it but that doesn't mean the team shouldn't at least try something new. The Packers can only change two things in this relationship, Rodgers or MM, and I'm pretty confident that everyone on this board knows which of those two is better at his job and which one the team should keep (unless Terry Bradshaw is hiding somewhere on this board).

 

[Sunshinepacker]

This could very well be the truth of the matter. I really wish multiple players and coaches would verbally get in Rodgers grill behind closed doors and let him know he’s as much of the problem as anyone else in the room.

The problem is that I'm pretty certain none of the players think Rodgers is anywhere close to as large a problem as MM. Otherwise you would see more players commenting about Rodgers.

 

[swhitset]

The problem is that I'm pretty certain none of the players think Rodgers is anywhere close to as large a problem as MM. Otherwise you would see more players commenting about Rodgers.

No player on the roster is going to do that.

 

[easyk83]

By punting you were hoping the d would force a 3 and out. If the situation you presented takes place you still hope for a 3 and out and force a fg attempt with a chance to get the ball back and still win the game. Or perhaps on 4th and 2 AR does what we have seen him do how many times before and makes a big play with the game on the line. If I’m betting on anybody on this team in that position it’s AR, with the game on the line you put the ball in your best players hands, not take it out of his hands.

What was our 3rd down success rate in that game? Rodgers play on 3rd down in that game was bad, a likely failed attempt and it's game over. Most coaches wouldn't go for it from their own 30.

 

[Heyjoe4]

21 completions, 70% completion for 330 yards, 2 TDs, and zero INTs. Pretty sure about 28 other teams would like a guy this "uncoachable".

Well said. Keep things in perspective.

 

[Heyjoe4]

So why didn't he throw to wide open wr or wide open ck downs?

When mm is gone you will see. Diff Rodgers

I agree with you. Rodgers continues to put up numbers other teams would die for. But the lack of creativity on MM’s part has clearly been eating at Rodgers for at least 2 or 3 years. His body language says it all. And he still put up great numbers against Seattle. I think MM has lost the whole team, not just #12.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I think he is very conflicted right now about what he wants to do and wants to prove something but isn’t sure what.

That seems to sum up pretty well Rodgers’ play, and his body language says the rest. MM has lost the team.

 

[Heyjoe4]

If AR isn't sabatoging MM then he's taken a BIG step back as far as his qb smarts go.

I actually thought about that, especially on his last throw in the dirt to a wide open WR 5 yards downfield. I don’t think it’s intentional to sabotage MM. MM is doing a good job of that by himself. But clearly Rodgers’ heart isn’t in it this season. It’s hard to watch.

 

[Mondio]

I don’t understand how people keep thinking he’s lost the team? What you see is frustration. Nobody is yapping in the press, nobody is tanking anything, nobody has quit. Rodgers might look pissed but he looks as intense as he always had. Nobody has quit anywhere in this team. If you think they have, give me an example.

 

[rmontro]

I think he is very conflicted right now about what he wants to do and wants to prove something but isn’t sure what.

He wants to prove he's the best, he's very competitive. But right now it just isn't working out for him, or the team.

 

[longtimefan]

I don’t understand how people keep thinking he’s lost the team? What you see is frustration. Nobody is yapping in the press, nobody is tanking anything, nobody has quit. Rodgers might look pissed but he looks as intense as he always had. Nobody has quit anywhere in this team. If you think they have, give me an example.

I agree... You don't take the Rams to the end as they did.. Or toe to toe with NE if the team quit on coach.

But still issues that I think only a change can fix.

 

[rmontro]

I agree... You don't take the Rams to the end as they did.. Or toe to toe with NE if the team quit on coach.
But still issues that I think only a change can fix.

I definitely don't think the team has quit. But that Rams game took a lot out of them. Their best performance of the year maybe, and it still just resulted in another loss.
Similar with New England but not quite as devastating. McCarthy's old saying "We're nobody's underdog" seems like a long time ago now.

 

[PackAttack12]

I don’t understand how people keep thinking he’s lost the team? What you see is frustration. Nobody is yapping in the press, nobody is tanking anything, nobody has quit. Rodgers might look pissed but he looks as intense as he always had. Nobody has quit anywhere in this team. If you think they have, give me an example.

Losing the team, and the team quitting to me are different things. There has just been so many examples of lack of discipline that to my memory we just haven’t seen. They certainly haven’t quit.

 

[AKCheese]

Key similarity is squandering the QB talent
Sherman was almost universally slammed as GM ( Wolf never got much bile for creating that situation)
TT was a glorly boy for SEVERAL years and now we see the sad state he left us in when he got shown the door. Result is the same, a QB left to try to win games literally by himself. Actually I think Sherman had Favre in a better position for a while. Oh well.... time to salvage Rodgers last few years but... time is ticking

 

[Mike McCarthy]

What was our 3rd down success rate in that game? Rodgers play on 3rd down in that game was bad, a likely failed attempt and it's game over. Most coaches wouldn't go for it from their own 30.

Off the top of my head I would say the 3rd down conversion percentage was a bit higher than the success rate of punting and getting the ball back at the end of regulation. When the teams’ season and your job are on the line I would think it’s time to hit the panic button and go for broke. Apparently not everyone has that sense of urgency in their dna however.