Farve, Rodgers history repeating

[Mondio]

5 sacks on 3rd down when he had open receivers on more than one of those occasions. Keep thinking he’s not part of the problem

 

[longtimefan]

Pretty sure you are in the minority on this one. Pretty sure that Rodgers is still considered one of the top-5 QBs in the NFL. However, it's always compelling hearing people refute an argument with the textual equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting, "I"M NOT LISTENING!"

Have great day means I'm. Done.


Not listening is a common theme with you as well.

 

[Mondio]

Just curious, did you see the part where I said he missed plays? Because I said that, I agreed that he missed some plays. However, if you expect him to play the entire game without missing a few plays then you're expecting him to be perfect, which is unrealistic. And claiming that the team had "no chance" to win because of Rodgers is about the silliest idea seen. Somehow not turning the ball over and being an amazing QB isn't actually giving the team a chance to win? That a scared head coach who missed an obvious replay challenge because he's just terrible at game management wasn't the main problem?

Mediocre QBs make those plays all the time. And you think the timeout thing is all MM? Of course you do because you it couldn’t be Rodgers at all

 

[easyk83]

What were his conversions on key plays, ie 3rd downs?

He started off incredibly well and his first quarter was excellent. Then he decides to throw to EQ on a 3rd and 5 about 15-20 yards down field that requires an inexperienced rookie to read the coverage and react to sit down in a zone and have good timing to boot. Low percentage. On that same play, there was another player underneath for a gimme first down and Rodgers completely ignores him. High percentage. That forced us to punt, and Seattle drove down methodically and scored to take the momentum back. Soon a 14-3 lead evaporated and we found ourselves down 17-14.

Second half?

Punt
3 and out
Punt
FG
3 and out

Many failed 3rd and short plays trying for the long ball, asking the OL to block for ages to let deep plays develop. When you do them ‘all’ the time, the D knows and they can focus on just rushing the passer, which they did. MM definitely deserves the blame for not getting Jones more carries and touches in the second half, and neither Rodgers nor MM wanted to take what the D was giving them. Hard to really know who is to blame for the atrocious 3rd down calls/decisions, but definitely both to some degree. 12 finally takes what the D gives him for a 5 yard out pattern on 3rd and 5 with the game on the line (to MVS) and he dirts it.

Im not sure what else MM is supposed to do. If the Quarterback hasthe authority to check his plays virtually every snap what is MM supposed to do beyond actually sticking Rodgers on the bench? Im not even an MM fan but word has been for weeks that theyve been butting heads over MM wanting to run more and Rodgers wanting to huck it deep almost every snap.

 

[Mike McCarthy]

Im not sure what else MM is supposed to do. If the Quarterback hasthe authority to check his plays virtually every snap what is MM supposed to do beyond actually sticking Rodgers on the bench? Im not even an MM fan but word has been for weeks that theyve been butting heads over MM wanting to run more and Rodgers wanting to huck it deep almost every snap.

I suppose AR decided to punt on 4th and 2 at the end of the game last night also??? Cmon man.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Mediocre QBs make those plays all the time. And you think the timeout thing is all MM? Of course you do because you it couldn’t be Rodgers at all

I keep saying (and I'll keep saying it) RODGERS MADE MISTAKES! He missed throws! He wasn't the best QB in the NFL last night! However, in a game where the Packers ran the ball only 13 times (2nd fewest times in MM's time in Green Bay), in a game where MM was too scared to challenge an obvious incompletion, in a game where MM was more concerned with not getting criticized by the media rather than make the obvious choice of going for it on 4th down because his defense was decimated and couldn't stop the run, Aaron Rodgers was NOT the problem.

 

[ARPackFan]

I don't believe that AR is throwing the season to be rid of MM. What I DO BELIEVE is that Aaron is frustrated in what he feels is a hopeless situation to the point where it has impacted his game. I have observed people that are extremely good at what they do be assigned to work in groups led by what I commonly refer to as BFIs (Blithering F-ing Idiots), who miss-use them, and the people around them to the point where their spirit is crushed. Having unwavering confidence in your leader (or coach) eliminates doubt and provides confidence in the mission at hand. When you loose this confidence then no good will come of it.

 

[easyk83]

Honestly I think that Seattle came in not wanting to get gashed by Jones on the ground, this opened up the passing game which was effective through the first half right up until Seattle realized that the Packers had abandoned the run. Then they started spreading their defensive fronts and dropping their safeties deep. Rodgers predictably stuck with the pass pass pass punt offense.

Rodgers is a very intelligent highly competitive player who wants to have the ball in his hands and he wants to be aggressive. But good offense isn't about meeting strength on strength its about attacking a defenses weakpoints. When a defense leaves the underneath stuff wide open to cover the deep patterns and is even willing to concede first downs because they know you're too stubborn to take those open reads what even is that? It's a testament to Rodgers talent that hes been as effective as he has been this year, but come on he's holding himself back through hubris and foolhardy play.

No he doesnt throw picks like Brett used to, but he takes sacks a plenty.

 

[easyk83]

I suppose AR decided to punt on 4th and 2 at the end of the game last night also??? Cmon man.

From their own 33 yard line, if Rodgers hucks up a bomb and blows the game it's over right there.

 

[Mike McCarthy]

From their own 33 yard line, if Rodgers hucks up a bomb and blows the game it's over right there.

By punting you were hoping the d would force a 3 and out. If the situation you presented takes place you still hope for a 3 and out and force a fg attempt with a chance to get the ball back and still win the game. Or perhaps on 4th and 2 AR does what we have seen him do how many times before and makes a big play with the game on the line. If I’m betting on anybody on this team in that position it’s AR, with the game on the line you put the ball in your best players hands, not take it out of his hands.

 

[longtimefan]

Pete Dougherty Packers News
Published 2:56 AM EST Nov 16, 2018
SEATTLE - Russell Wilson outplayed Aaron Rodgers.

The Green Bay Packers’ 27-24 loss to the Seattle Seahawks on Thursday night really was that simple.

Rodgers’ 128.8 rating says he had a good game, better than Wilson’s 110.3.

But anyone who watched knows that wasn’t the case.

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[Title Town USA]

From their own 33 yard line, if Rodgers hucks up a bomb and blows the game it's over right there.

How? Either way you basically needed a 3 and out. It made no sense to punt.

Actually, punting the ball was riskier than going for it.

 

[Mike McCarthy]

How? Either way you basically needed a 3 and out. It made no sense to punt.

Actually, punting the ball was riskier than going for it.

Exactly. Situational awareness, something we lack over and over and over again.

 

[Mike McCarthy]

From their own 33 yard line, if Rodgers hucks up a bomb and blows the game it's over right there.

Add in the injuries at the time on the defensive side of the ball and it’s that much more of a head scratcher to punt. Foolish.

 

[PackAttack12]

By punting you were hoping the d would force a 3 and out. If the situation you presented takes place you still hope for a 3 and out and force a fg attempt with a chance to get the ball back and still win the game. Or perhaps on 4th and 2 AR does what we have seen him do how many times before and makes a big play with the game on the line. If I’m betting on anybody on this team in that position it’s AR, with the game on the line you put the ball in your best players hands, not take it out of his hands.

Montgomery's fumble took the ball out of AR's hands and cost the team a chance to win it.

McCarthy's decision to punt on 4th and 2 took the ball out of AR's hands and cost the team a chance to win it.

The only difference is Montgomery did it out of spite and McCarthy simply outsmarted himself. Now before some coming marching in with both barrels, These two situations were NOT the sole reason the Packers lost those games. But it's situational crap like this that gets you beat. It's the difference in 12-4 v.s. 10-6 or 8-8 v.s. 6-10...etc.

 

[Mondio]

For the record, I think they should have gone for it. But on the other hand, the offense pretty much failed to convert the entire 2nd half. Trust your defense that’s gassed and losing players or your offense that hasn’t gotten it done in critica moments for the last 30-40 minutes of the game?

 

[rodell330]

Drives me crazy to see a couple of nice runs early in the game, only for McCarthy to expect the play action to be effective for the rest of the game because of it.

Think he only got 6 carries in the 2nd half. Idk why this team thinks they have to always try and throw the damn ball on third and 3...ALWAYS. Then instead of handing it to Jones and seeing if he can get three yards?? they run a dumb gadget play and ruin the chances of even attempting to go for it on 4th down. I’ve said for years This team will find a way to lose with play badplay calling at least 2 or 3 times a year. They have already hit that Mark with 7 games left to play.

 

[rodell330]

For the record, I think they should have gone for it. But on the other hand, the offense pretty much failed to convert the entire 2nd half. Trust your defense that’s gassed and losing players or your offense that hasn’t gotten it done in critica moments for the last 30-40 minutes of the game?

Without a single doubt you go for it. It’d be different if GB wasn’t the worst team
In the league at wasting timeouts. I’ve never seen a team mismanage timeouts as much as this team. That reason alone is why Mcdoofus should’ve gone for it.

 

[gbgary]

21 completions, 70% completion for 330 yards, 2 TDs, and zero INTs. Pretty sure about 28 other teams would like a guy this "uncoachable".

but what did your eyes tell you? they should have told you he's out of control. as i said in the "studs and duds" thread...

you could actually see Rodgers street-balling it in the huddle last night. "you run to the chevy and turn around", "everyone else go long." he's out of control. he killed his coach last night. it's over...he's a lame duck now. MM has his faults but Rodgers is uncoachable now.

 

[CaptainCanuck]

I don't believe that AR is throwing the season to be rid of MM. What I DO BELIEVE is that Aaron is frustrated in what he feels is a hopeless situation to the point where it has impacted his game. I have observed people that are extremely good at what they do be assigned to work in groups led by what I commonly refer to as BFIs (Blithering F-ing Idiots), who miss-use them, and the people around them to the point where their spirit is crushed. Having unwavering confidence in your leader (or coach) eliminates doubt and provides confidence in the mission at hand. When you loose this confidence then no good will come of it.

This also happens in other places not just sports

So true

 

[Sunshinepacker]

but what did your eyes tell you? they should have told you he's out of control. as i said in the "studs and duds" thread...

I agree, he's lost confidence in the offense that MM is running. So the options are to A) trade Rodgers (not happening) , B) get a new head coach (probably happening), or C) keep MM and Rodgers and get to complain about this next year. It's obvious he doesn't trust MM's offense and, fair or not, that's not changing.

 

[gbgary]

I agree, he's lost confidence in the offense that MM is running. So the options are to A) trade Rodgers (not happening) , B) get a new head coach (probably happening), or C) keep MM and Rodgers and get to complain about this next year. It's obvious he doesn't trust MM's offense and, fair or not, that's not changing.

lost confidence? he's choosing not to run it at the detriment of team. someone wanted additional proof (besides what's already out there) of why i called rodgers a prima donna...that game last night should be the clincher.
a) yup, that window has come and gone;
b) agreed;
c) it's philbin's offence this year but he (rodgers) has been doing this for at least three seasons.

 

[Zartan]

Punting would have worked if they still had 3 TOs left.

They would of had a better % going for it on 4th and 2. They only needed 2 yards to keep the drive going. The D at that point was gassed and hobbled.

 

[longtimefan]

Wssp is talking about this Brett Rodgers thing right now

 

[PackAttack12]

For the record, I think they should have gone for it. But on the other hand, the offense pretty much failed to convert the entire 2nd half. Trust your defense that’s gassed and losing players or your offense that hasn’t gotten it done in critica moments for the last 30-40 minutes of the game?

12.