Earl Thomas

[Pokerbrat2000]

First, Bell has been an all-time great RB, not "solid". Second, he wants to hit free agency without having 400+ touches, which is why he's not playing for the Steelers. If the Packers agreed to not franchise him after this year and limit his touches, he'd probably be ok with that rather than losing more than $800,000 a week. Again, this is just a thought, Packers probably shouldn't do it if it messes up the cap too much. But to just throw the idea out as if there's no merit seems short-sighted.

So you want to part with a high draft pick for a guy you will have to pay some decent money to, promise you won't franchise, promise you will limit his touches so he can showcase his talents, while limiting his injury exposure....and then explain to the other 52 guys on the team why you just cut Monty, a guy who busts his *** on every play, to make room for a short term rental premadonna at a position that is pretty solid already? We haven't even talked about what this does to the development of Jones and Williams, two pretty decent looking young backs, who you will need after Bells leaves town with his bank full.

No thanks.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

So you want to part with a high draft pick for a guy you will have to pay some decent money to, promise you won't franchise, promise you will limit his touches so he can showcase his talents, while limiting his injury exposure....and then explain to the other 52 guys on the team why you just cut Monty, a guy who busts his *** on every play, to make room for a short term rental premadonna?

No thanks.

Ok, I believe you could give up, say, the 55th pick in the draft, and then get 97th pick back in comp but if you disagree that's fine. As for prima donna...it's the NFL, these are big boys, not middle schoolers. Guys get cut for better players every year.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Ok, I believe you could give up, say, the 55th pick in the draft, and then get 97th pick back in comp but if you disagree that's fine. As for prima donna...it's the NFL, these are big boys, not middle schoolers. Guys get cut for better players every year.

Nothing wrong with thinking outside the box, we just don't agree this time

Beats screaming "cut this guy", "fire this guy" and then coming back after each game and repeating the process.

I guess I better back my own words up and figure out who I think the Packers should replace Joe Whitt with.

 

[Half Empty]

Well given that Newhouse was a 5th round pick, I would say he has had a pretty successful NFL career. Now a guy like Derek Sherrod, a first round pick, I would say he would go down as one of the bigger OL busts for the Packers. Yup, he broke his leg, but he wasn't that special before it happened and did nothing after it was healed.

At this point, have a nice day. No point in taking up forum space agreeing with each other.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

At this point, have a nice day. No point in taking up forum space agreeing with each other.

I agree.

Why buck a trend.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

This makes no sense. He's 26 years old. You trade a 2nd round pick and promise you won't franchise him after the season. Then you let him walk, he signs a massive deal with some other team the Packers gets a comp 3rd round pick. So, you moved back in the draft by 30 picks for a year of having the best RB in the NFL on a cheap deal. Why again is this a bad thing?

The Packers currently have $12 million of cap space while acquiring Bell right now would result in him counting $11.97 million against the cap. That means the team would have to make a move to clear cap space to trade for him. With the base salary for vested veterans being fully guaranteed at this point releasing one of them isn't an option. With no player still on a rookie deal resulting in significant cap space being cleared when cut trading one of the veterans is the only option, albeit a terrible one as it would leave a position without mich depth even thinner.

Taking into consideration that the Packers wouldn't be allowed to negotiate a long-term deal with Bell until the end of the season you're the one being shortsighted when advocating for the Packers to make a move for him without thinking about the consequences.

Sadly/Pathetically, I might have been fine with Marshall back in Green Bay, he can play 4 out of the 5 OL positions and might have been an upgrade over most of what we are calling "depth" right now.

It's really mind-boggling that Newhouse might present an upgrade over the current backups on the roster.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

The Packers currently have $12 million of cap space while acquiring Bell right now would result in him counting $11.97 million against the cap. That means the team would have to make a move to clear cap space to trade for him. With the base salary for vested veterans being fully guaranteed at this point releasing one of them isn't an option. With no player still on a rookie deal resulting in significant cap space being cleared when cut trading one of the veterans is the only option, albeit a terrible one as it would leave a position without mich depth even thinner.

Taking into consideration that the Packers wouldn't be allowed to negotiate a long-term deal with Bell until the end of the season you're the one being shortsighted when advocating for the Packers to make a move for him without thinking about the consequences.

After thinking about it last night I've come to a similar conclusion that the Packers shouldn't go after Bell, but not for this reason. I'm just fairly certain that MM wouldn't use him correctly. I can still remember MM having both Eddie Lacy and Ty on the team at the same time and having Lacy be the guy that would go in and shift from RB to outside WR on plays. For whatever reason MM has never embraced the Steelers/Pats/Saints model of making the running back a major part of the passing game.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

It's really mind-boggling that Newhouse might present an upgrade over the current backups on the roster.

I find it refreshing every once in a while to look at objective sources when analyzing players because I, like most posters here, don't have the time to analyze every other team's oline in depth. PFF, after week 3, has the Packers with the 4th highest graded oline. Yes, I am as disbelieving as anyone but, then again, I know that many fans and analysts are constantly talking about how bad olines are throughout the league, so maybe the Packers' level of bad is just not as bad as most. So, maybe Newhouse would be an upgrade over the non-starters, but remembering how he played while he was here that might not matter, Rodgers might just refuse to take the field with him on it.

 

[Poppa San]

So, maybe Newhouse would be an upgrade over the non-starters, but remembering how he played while he was here that might not matter,

Because we all know that in the four years since he left he just could not learn anything. He is the exact same level of skill as he was then.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Because we all know that in the four years since he left he just could not learn anything. He is the exact same level of skill as he was then.

On the other hand it's perfectly normal to expect one of the worst starting tackles in the NFL (which he was while here) suddenly becomes competent in their fifth season and fourth team.Happens all the time!

 

[Reggie White Cheese]

7 pages of this.... Geesh. This should have been like the Bell thing. More than likely not happening. I will eat crow however if it does...

 

[PackerDNA]

7 pages of this.... Geesh. This should have been like the Bell thing. More than likely not happening. I will eat crow however if it does...

I think it'll happen at some point. The atmosphere is going to get too poisonous in Seattle. But if it does I don't think we get him.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

After thinking about it last night I've come to a similar conclusion that the Packers shouldn't go after Bell, but not for this reason. I'm just fairly certain that MM wouldn't use him correctly.

Why care about the fact the Packers can't afford to fit Bell under their cap when you can take another cheap shot at McCarthy???

I find it refreshing every once in a while to look at objective sources when analyzing players because I, like most posters here, don't have the time to analyze every other team's oline in depth. PFF, after week 3, has the Packers with the 4th highest graded oline. Yes, I am as disbelieving as anyone but, then again, I know that many fans and analysts are constantly talking about how bad olines are throughout the league, so maybe the Packers' level of bad is just not as bad as most. So, maybe Newhouse would be an upgrade over the non-starters, but remembering how he played while he was here that might not matter, Rodgers might just refuse to take the field with him on it.

The Packers starting offensive line is one of the best in the league but the backups have me concerned.

 

[ExpatPacker]

All I can say is, I really, really wish the Packers had tried hard to sign Eric Reid. Signing Bashaud Breeland and Eric Reid in the same week would have been fookin' awesome.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Why care about the fact the Packers can't afford to fit Bell under their cap when you can take another cheap shot at McCarthy???

Because MM makes it so easy? What can I say, I like low hanging fruit. Did you watch the Vikings game last night? I find it amazing that through a formation set the Rams got Kupp in a one-on-one matchup against Anthony Barr running downfield...when was the last time you saw MM scheme a linebacker onto Allison or Adams?

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I find it amazing that through a formation set the Rams got Kupp in a one-on-one matchup against Anthony Barr running downfield...when was the last time you saw MM scheme a linebacker onto Allison or Adams?

On Sunday. Not sure if that's good enough for you though as that was five days ago while McVay and the Rams were capable of doing it last night.

Adams was covered twice and Allison once by a linebacker vs. Washington.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

On Sunday. Not sure if that's good enough for you though as that was five days ago while McVay and the Rams were capable of doing it last night.

Adams was covered twice and Allison once by a linebacker vs. Washington.

OK, and, since we're arguing MM is better than McVay, we can agree that the Packers have equivalent talent on offense to the Rams and yet the offense doesn't seem nearly as good. Weird. Must be bad luck.

 

[Mondio]

OK, and, since we're arguing MM is better than McVay, we can agree that the Packers have equivalent talent on offense to the Rams and yet the offense doesn't seem nearly as good. Weird. Must be bad luck.

You think the protection of a healthy Goff was on par with a hobbled Rodgers? I guess that would explain some of your other observations

 

[Sunshinepacker]

You think the protection of a healthy Goff was on par with a hobbled Rodgers? I guess that would explain some of your other observations

Yeah, the oline, which is actually one of the better olines in the NFL, is the reason the Packers offense stinks. Not to worry though, I'm pretty sure I'm on the right side of how history will judge MM on this.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Yeah, the oline, which is actually one of the better olines in the NFL, is the reason the Packers offense stinks. Not to worry though, I'm pretty sure I'm on the right side of how history will judge MM on this.

The Rams currently rank third in pass block efficiency with the Packers being 22nd at the moment.

McCarthy has coached one of the most prolific offenses in the league during his head coaching career, therefore I'm quite sure you end up on the wrong side of how history will judge his tenure.

 

[rodell330]

The Rams currently rank third in pass block efficiency with the Packers being 22nd at the moment.

McCarthy has coached one of the most prolific offenses in the league during his head coaching career, therefore I'm quite sure you end up on the wrong side of how history will judge his tenure.

Maybe that’s why he refuses to change the offense....because in his mind he still thinks it’s “prolific” ...which it’s not. Take Rodgers running around and making a big play out of the equation...how does MCCarthys offense really look? Much like the one he had in his last year in San Fancisco.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Maybe that’s why he refuses to change the offense....because in his mind he still thinks it’s “prolific” ...which it’s not. Take Rodgers running around and making a big play out of the equation...how does MCCarthys offense really look? Much like the one he had in his last year in San Fancisco.

Yeah, it's really surprising that the offense with Rodgers being injured doesn't perform at an elite level. Shocking

 

[Mondio]

Yeah, the oline, which is actually one of the better olines in the NFL, is the reason the Packers offense stinks. Not to worry though, I'm pretty sure I'm on the right side of how history will judge MM on this.

It is huh? Not sure you’re watching the same games.

 

[LambeauLombardi]

This isn't happening anymore. Best of luck to him in his recovery.

 

[Reggie White Cheese]

He just flipped his bench off... Wow..