Dillon.......keeping defenses honest.

[Fat Dogs]

That's a fifth round back at best.

You don’t think Henry was worth the 2nd rounder? No, I don’t think a 2nd is to costly for a player that has the ability to change the dynamic of our entire offense.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

You don’t think Henry was worth the 2nd rounder? No, I don’t think a 2nd is to costly for a player that has the ability to change the dynamic of our entire offense.

No, Henry was not worth a second round pick. Kamara was a 3rd round pick, Chris Carson was a 7th round pick, Marlon Mack was a 4th round pick, AARON JONES was a FIFTH round back...my point isn't that Dillon might not run for a lot of yards, my point is that taking a RB in the second round ignores how often teams can find REALLY good running backs later in the draft, especially when those teams already have above average passing offenses.

Yes, you can draft a RB high in the draft, it just doesn't make sense considering other positions are much harder to find elite players at later in the draft compared to RBs.

 

[Dantés]

No, Henry was not worth a second round pick. Kamara was a 3rd round pick, Chris Carson was a 7th round pick, Marlon Mack was a 4th round pick, AARON JONES was a FIFTH round back...my point isn't that Dillon might not run for a lot of yards, my point is that taking a RB in the second round ignores how often teams can find REALLY good running backs later in the draft, especially when those teams already have above average passing offenses.

Yes, you can draft a RB high in the draft, it just doesn't make sense considering other positions are much harder to find elite players at later in the draft compared to RBs.

So the Chiefs, Ravens, Colts, and Rams are all stupid teams that don't understand what they're doing?

 

[Sunshinepacker]

So the Chiefs, Ravens, Colts, and Rams are all stupid teams that don't understand what they're doing?

If they drafted RBs early, then yup, I thought I was pretty clear on that. The guy that should have been the MVP for the Chiefs in the Super Bowl was an undrafted free agent. Please explain why you have to spend a high draft pick on a position where you can get 90-95% of the production in day 3?

 

[CanadaCheese]

If they drafted RBs early, then yup, I thought I was pretty clear on that. The guy that should have been the MVP for the Chiefs in the Super Bowl was an undrafted free agent. Please explain why you have to spend a high draft pick on a position where you can get 90-95% of the production in day 3?

Oooohhhh baby.... here we go!!!

 

[Fat Dogs]

No, Henry was not worth a second round pick. Kamara was a 3rd round pick, Chris Carson was a 7th round pick, Marlon Mack was a 4th round pick, AARON JONES was a FIFTH round back...my point isn't that Dillon might not run for a lot of yards, my point is that taking a RB in the second round ignores how often teams can find REALLY good running backs later in the draft, especially when those teams already have above average passing offenses.

Yes, you can draft a RB high in the draft, it just doesn't make sense considering other positions are much harder to find elite players at later in the draft compared to RBs.

Jones was the only back on that list that made the top 10 in rushing last year. The other 9 RB’s were first and 2nd rounders. McCaffrey, Zeke, Jacobs, Ingram, Barkley, Fournette, Henry, Chubb, Mixon, Hyde, and Cook. I think this list says it all.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Jones was the only back on that list that made the top 10 in rushing last year. The other 9 RB’s were first and 2nd rounders. McCaffrey, Zeke, Jacobs, Ingram, Barkley, Fournette, Henry, Chubb, Mixon, Hyde, and Cook. I think this list says it all.

Chris Carson was 5th in yards last year and he was undrafted (he was also in my list). Also, the difference between 5th and 16th in rushing last year was 200 yards. I don't really think 15 more yards a game is really worth the difference between a 2nd round pick and a 5th round pick.

 

[Dantés]

If they drafted RBs early, then yup, I thought I was pretty clear on that. The guy that should have been the MVP for the Chiefs in the Super Bowl was an undrafted free agent. Please explain why you have to spend a high draft pick on a position where you can get 90-95% of the production in day 3?

First... to the bolded statement... lol. Fans tend to be pretty arrogant in their opinions about the draft, but that's a special kind of stupid. The Ravens, Chiefs, and Colts especially are three of the smartest organizations in football right now.

Secondly, let's just take Aaron Jones' draft year as an example.

18 running backs went on day 3:

• Samaje Perine
• Tarik Cohen
• Joe Williams
• Donnel Pumphrey
• Jamaal Williams
• Wayne Gallman
• Marlon Mack
• Brian Hill
• Jeremy McNichols
• T.J. Logan
• Aaron Jones
• Elijah McGuire
• De'Angelo Henderson
• Devante Mays
• Khalfani Muhammad
• Elijah Hood
• Chris Carson
• Matthew Dayes

So of 18 picks, three teams found players capable of being starting backs or lead committee backs. 17%.

8 running backs went on day 1/2:

• Leonard Fournette
• Christian McCaffrey
• Dalvin Cook
• Joe Mixon
• Alvin Kamara
• Kareem Hunt
• D'Onta Foreman
• James Conner

Fournette has been productive, but we will exclude him because of how inefficient he is. Foreman actually looked quite promising before suffering a horrific injury his rookie year, but we will exclude him too.

So that's 6 out of 8 players who are capable of being starting backs or lead committee backs. 75%.

There's your difference. Not only are you far more like to be successful in finding the guy you need in rounds 1-3, you're also far more likely to find a player with the ability to be a difference maker.

When teams need or want running backs, they need or want running backs... not a 15-20% chance to secure a running back.

I understand that the positional value is low, and I would not support taking a back in the 1st round unless it was truly a special player, but you're taking it to a deranged extreme. Taking shots on day 3 is a great idea if you're adding depth and hoping to get lucky. If you want help immediately, it's not a great strategy.

Here's another helpful indicator. There were 17 backs who had 1200 yards from scrimmage last year (rushing/receiving combined)-- 3 of them were day 3 picks or undrafted... 18%.

So to make a long story short, your claim that you can just go out and find 90-95% of the value on day 3 at will is a pile of ********.

 

[Fat Dogs]

Chris Carson was 5th in yards last year and he was undrafted (he was also in my list). Also, the difference between 5th and 16th in rushing last year was 200 yards. I don't really think 15 more yards a game is really worth the difference between a 2nd round pick and a 5th round pick.

Your right Chris Carson was 5th and Aaron Jones was 12th so there is still only one player you named on the top 10. I get it. Most Packer fans don’t realize the importance of a good running game because we always relied on Rodgers to move the ball. There wasn’t a need to invest a first or 2nd rounder into a player that wouldn’t get an adequate amount of touches to justify a high draft pick. Times are changing boys.

 

[Dantés]

Your right Chris Carson was 5th and Aaron Jones was 12th so there is still only one player you named on the top 10. I get it. Most Packer fans don’t realize the importance of a good running game because we always relied on Rodgers to move the ball. There wasn’t a need to invest a first or 2nd rounder into a player that wouldn’t get an adequate amount of touches to justify a high draft pick. Times are changing boys.

A lot of people have heard the analytics crowds repeat over and over again that the RB position doesn't matter and you can find them anywhere that they've actually believed it, despite the reality happening on the field every year.

 

[PackinMSP]

A simple "eye test" is think of how productive our O was with Lacy(a 2nd round pick) during his first 2 years, before he became overweight.

Sure we had better WRs, but there was also a different "feel" to those offenses due to having a RB as dynamic as Lacy

I still like Jones and his explosiveness, but his injury past and there was also a REASON he fell so far.

There is a difference.

 

[adambr2]

The existing non-rookie running back on our roster with 1500+ yards and 19 TDs did a pretty good job of keeping defenses honest.

 

[adambr2]

A simple "eye test" is think of how productive our O was with Lacy(a 2nd round pick) during his first 2 years, before he became overweight.

I don't see how this really proves anything. It's not like our offense wasn't also still elite in 2010-2012 when we were throwing out Brandon Jackson, James Starks, Alex Green, and whatever else out at RB.

 

[Dantés]

The existing non-rookie running back on our roster with 1500+ yards and 19 TDs did a pretty good job of keeping defenses honest.

Jones is excellent. However...

He's entering a contract year, and the team needs to be in a position not to overpay.

He's a smaller player at 5'9" 208 lbs who ideally should be in the 200-225 carry range, because...

He's been banged up pretty often during his first three seasons in Green Bay.

The Packers may realistically aim for roughly twice as many rushing attempts as a team than they would ideally like to give Jones (say, 225 vs. 450).

 

[Fat Dogs]

A lot of people have heard the analytics crowds repeat over and over again that the RB position doesn't matter and you can find them anywhere that they've actually believed it, despite the reality happening on the field every year.

They’ll come around. I had the same thought process when Rodgers was throwing the ball 40 times a game. Made no sense to waste a high draft pick. LaFleur proved last year that he wants to run the ball. It always drove me crazy when we were first and Goal from the one and we’d pass the ball three consecutive times. You have 3 chances to get one yard. Run the damn ball. Football 101.

 

[gopkrs]

They’ll come around. I had the same thought process when Rodgers was throwing the ball 40 times a game. Made no sense to waste a high draft pick. LaFleur proved last year that he wants to run the ball. It always drove me crazy when we were first and Goal from the one and we’d pass the ball three consecutive times. You have 3 chances to get one yard. Run the damn ball. Football 101.

Anyone needs some push from the line on those short yardage plays. On the other hand Dillon is who we wanted. He is different from all those other backs that were available. I hope we get push so he can score and get short first downs but I am expecting him to help move the chains and keep the Defense reeling a bit. Set up play action.

 

[CanadaCheese]

They’ll come around. I had the same thought process when Rodgers was throwing the ball 40 times a game. Made no sense to waste a high draft pick. LaFleur proved last year that he wants to run the ball. It always drove me crazy when we were first and Goal from the one and we’d pass the ball three consecutive times. You have 3 chances to get one yard. Run the damn ball. Football 101.

Winning teams have balance on the offensive side of the ball
Winning teams have balance on the defensive side of the ball too
Teams with dominant defenses can compensate for mediocre offenses and vice versa but rarely can any team over come a facet that they are poor at

 

[Patriotplayer90]

You don’t think Henry was worth the 2nd rounder? No, I don’t think a 2nd is to costly for a player that has the ability to change the dynamic of our entire offense.

FWIW, Tennessee scored 28 against NO during the one game that Henry missed last year. That's why the argument is made that RBs don't matter, because PA does not require a great RB and passing offense is ultimately much more valuable. Dillon could be better than a lot of second round players, but he'll still be a part time RB. That's not good value in the second.

 

[Fat Dogs]

Jones is excellent. However...

He's entering a contract year, and the team needs to be in a position not to overpay.

He's a smaller player at 5'9" 208 lbs who ideally should be in the 200-225 carry range, because...

He's been banged up pretty often during his first three seasons in Green Bay.

The Packers may realistically aim for roughly twice as many rushing attempts as a team than they would ideally like to give Jones (say, 225 vs. 450).

Jones will Continue to be a huge part of our run game in 2020. The packers obviously value RB over WR so they just might break the bank for Jones. If not, I would not be surprised one bit if we drafted another versatile scatback on a rookie contact to replace him.

 

[CanadaCheese]

FWIW, Tennessee scored 28 against NO during the one game that Henry missed last year. That's why the argument is made that RBs don't matter, because PA does not require a great RB and passing offense is ultimately much more valuable. Dillon could be better than a lot of second round players, but he'll still be a part time RB. That's not good value in the second.

Correct..... the accelerating trend in the NFL is predominately focused on establishing a multi dimension fast air attack complemented by fast / explosive running especially from the QB position...that is just a fact
The concept is to be able to exert maximum pressure on defenses and have the ability to score quickly and in bunches.
The new GB FO is smarter than that and believes ground and pound is the way to the promised land. Pure logic would seem to dictate you’d better have an elite defense to keep the high flyers in check as you work the G and P strategy.
GB can’t control the tempo on defense because of their massive inadequacy at LB so the G and P even if we had a dynamic passing attack would be in peril.
The frustrations on most of what happened is multi dimensional and it just didn’t seem to be thought through.... on multiple levels

 

[Dantés]

Jones will Continue to be a huge part of our run game in 2020. The packers obviously value RB over WR so they just might break the bank for Jones. If not, I would not be surprised one bit if we drafted another versatile scatback on a rookie contact to replace him.

I don't actually think that's true. Gute said he was trying really hard to move up for a WR in the second round, but couldn't get a deal done. Dillon was their best value left at #62 (at least among the positions they were looking to draft high).

 

[Fat Dogs]

FWIW, Tennessee scored 28 against NO during the one game that Henry missed last year. That's why the argument is made that RBs don't matter, because PA does not require a great RB and passing offense is ultimately much more valuable. Dillon could be better than a lot of second round players, but he'll still be a part time RB. That's not good value in the second.

One Henry missed game proves what? Proved that an NFL team can throw the ball and score 28 points? Haven’t the packers done that a million times without running? Did the Titans win that game without Henry? We can all agree that NFL teams can all score in a plethora of ways. The point of a good running game is to control the clock, keep your defense fresh, and keep explosive offenses (Chiefs) off the field.

 

[CanadaCheese]

I don't actually think that's true. Gute said he was trying really hard to move up for a WR in the second round, but couldn't get a deal done. Dillon was their best value left at #62 (at least among the positions they were looking to draft high).

BS....in the second Mims was easily within reach and Duverney was available.

 

[Fat Dogs]

I don't actually think that's true. Gute said he was trying really hard to move up for a WR in the second round, but couldn't get a deal done. Dillon was their best value left at #62 (at least among the positions they were looking to draft high).

Gute also said that Love is a Packer because that’s how the board fell. Hmmm... pretty sure we moved up.

 

[CanadaCheese]

Gute also said that Love is a Packer because that’s how the board fell. Hmmm... pretty sure we moved up.

Gute is saying just about anything to deflect criticism that is flying from every direction....too bad because he had a really good 2019