Davon House

[Arthur Squires]

We don't have any outside corners!! There ya go!! Argument over!!

We can if we draft Kevin King!

 

[adambr2]

Actually he was pretty solid in Green Bay. They let him go because TT didn't wanna pay him. Plain and simple. If he wanted to come back I'd be all for it. He knows Capers garbage scheme already .

I have to agree with this. I don't understand why people assume that everyone we don't keep must be poison that we never want back. Sometimes you just get outbid, just the way it is.

Is House going to replace Shields, of course not, but he would have been a lot better option to plug in this past season than what we went with, and he won't be expensive. We need to be realistic about who Ted is going to target, I think we know him well enough to know that Logan Ryan and AJ Bouye aren't on their way to Green Bay.

If we added House and then took a corner in the first 2 rounds that would be a reasonably nice upgrade for our secondary this offseason for a very low price.

 

[Half Empty]

Again!!! I'm tired of hearing people use that ....Gunter is probably the slowest CB in the league. So again. That argument has become invalid. Him not being on the outside obviously has nothing to do with his speed. New argument

I probably missed a post along the way, but I don't quite understand this. Hyde is faulted for being too slow for the position, and the counter-argument is that an even worse alternative is even slower?

 

[Arthur Squires]

If you really compare the two Gunter and House are very similar CBs. With House being faster outright being the only real difference. Both play very well in press jamming WRs off routes but both play with their hands too often. This will be Gunter 3rd season I believe and hopefully improves his grabby hands because we need him to play at his best. There were times last season when he would play very well but then get beat for big plays. Overall he is a surprise as a UDFA. Plus if House signed Gunter wouldn't play so much and may pick up some pointers along the way.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

If we added House and then took a corner in the first 2 rounds that would be a reasonably nice upgrade for our secondary this offseason for a very low price.

It would be extremely disappointing if the Packers only add House and a draft pick at cornerback this offseason.

 

[Arthur Squires]

It would be extremely disappointing if the Packers only add House and a draft pick at cornerback this offseason.

Well thats what happens most likely! Don't see TT changing now. Just draft the right corner and roll with it.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Well thats what happens most likely! Don't see TT changing now. Just draft the right corner and roll with it.

The Packers need a veteran #1 cornerback who doesn't need several seasons to develop and is capable of mentoring the team's young players at the position.

 

[adambr2]

It would be extremely disappointing if the Packers only add House and a draft pick at cornerback this offseason.

What are you realistically expecting? I'm not trying to be snide, I'm honestly asking. Do you think they are going after a top FA corner? I find that highly unlikely.

We know the typical strategies of Ted and his staff. He'll pick the bargain bin at the end of March for a FA or two, and if House is still around, he'd fall into that category. He isn't touching anyone Week 1 of free agency, and guys like Logan Ryan and AJ Bouye will be long gone by late March.

Then he'll probably prioritize corner enough to make it an early pick, but McCarthy has already made it a point that he believes Randall and Rollins struggled mostly due to injury and they plan to stick with them in 2017. So while I'm sure they'll still obviously look for upgrades and/or depth, I think you're going to be extremely disappointed as you said if you expect to see more than a reasonably cheap free agent and early pick on corner.

I'd love to be wrong, of course, but this is Ted's 13th offseason. I think we pretty much know the drill by now.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

What are you realistically expecting? I'm not trying to be snide, I'm honestly asking. Do you think they are going after a top FA corner? I find that highly unlikely.

I'm expecting Thompson to sign a veteran #1 cornerback this offseason. Anything else short of it doesn't cut it for me this time around.

 

[Arthur Squires]

The Packers need a veteran #1 cornerback who doesn't need several seasons to develop and is capable of mentoring the team's young players at the position.

I agree!

 

[Arthur Squires]

I'm expecting Thompson to sign a veteran #1 cornerback this offseason. Anything else short of it doesn't cut it for me this time around.

He won't and he will be around to do it to us again next offseason haha

 

[adambr2]

I'm expecting Thompson to sign a veteran #1 cornerback this offseason. Anything else short of it doesn't cut it for me this time around.

That's a pretty short list. Stephon Gilmore for sure, Prince Amukamara, Claiborne. Maybe Darius Butler. Other than Gilmore I'm not sure any of these guys are even real sure things either. I'm assuming you aren't talking about any aging guys who look washed up like Revis. I could see Ted doing that if the price was right. But the Ted I know isn't ponying up for Gilmore, Amukamara, or Claiborne.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

That's a pretty short list. Stephon Gilmore for sure, Prince Amukamara, Claiborne. Maybe Darius Butler. Other than Gilmore I'm not sure any of these guys are even real sure things either. I'm assuming you aren't talking about any aging guys who look washed up like Revis. I could see Ted doing that if the price was right. But the Ted I know isn't ponying up for Gilmore, Amukamara, or Claiborne.

I agree that the Ted we know isn't going to sign a veteran to be the team's #1 cornerback next season but unfortunately the status quo for most of the last 12 seasons most likely isn't goid enough this year.

Bouye (risky signing but could end up resulting in a high reward) or Cockrell (Steelers RFA) might present decent options as well.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

Just read the Jags are cutting House loose! Was wondering how many fans would like to see him back in Green+Gold! He had his ups and down while in GreenBay, but we could use him the shape our CB position is. If we draft a rookie CB and bring in House it would help strengthen the position. I would rather get back Hayward but it is what it is!!!

I guess my answer is....depends. How much to sign him? Length of contract? Guaranteed money? And, significantly, can he still play? Is he an upgrade over what we have, or just another body?

I don't know the answers to those questions, but I know they're important.

 

[rodell330]

I probably missed a post along the way, but I don't quite understand this. Hyde is faulted for being too slow for the position, and the counter-argument is that an even worse alternative is even slower?

Exactly man. At least with Hyde he does have nice ball skills as we've seen. He also can accelerate and break on the ball. The in on the screen against Dallas is the perfect example. I saw Gunter make one single play on the ball the entire time he was on the field.

 

[rodell330]

I'm expecting Thompson to sign a veteran #1 cornerback this offseason. Anything else short of it doesn't cut it for me this time around.

Be ready to be disappointed. I'm praying he does as well but TT is as stuck in his ways as a Gm can be.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Exactly man. At least with Hyde he does have nice ball skills as we've seen. He also can accelerate and break on the ball. The in on the screen against Dallas is the perfect example. I saw Gunter make one single play on the ball the entire time he was on the field.

There's no doubt Hyde is a decent cornerback or safety lining up in the slot but he's not a fit to play on the perimeter.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

There's no doubt Hyde is a decent cornerback or safety lining up in the slot but he's not a fit to play on the perimeter.

Not blazing speed, but a smart player who puts himself into position to make a play. Solid contributor, also plays special teams. I would resign this guy.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Not blazing speed, but a smart player who puts himself into position to make a play. Solid contributor, also plays special teams. I would resign this guy.

I'm in favor of re-signing Hyde to a reasonable contract but there's no reason to line him up on the perimeter.

 

[rodell330]

There's no doubt Hyde is a decent cornerback or safety lining up in the slot but he's not a fit to play on the perimeter.

But he has. Which is why I do t get why ppl keep saying this. If you look at the game against the Lions to win the division, he was moved to the outside in favor of Randle...and ended up getting a huge int for us to clinch the game. He's got the best ball skills on the team at corner.

 

[El Guapo]

Expecting TT to get one of the top FA's is ludicrous. Wanting him to do it is better for your psyche. He likely won't but I'll still leave a 5% chance out there. As others said, he will likely bring in a veteran presence such as House, someone in the second tier of FA.

From a purely GM mindset, you have to look at Randall and Rollins in the lens of two seasons. You spent two high draft picks on CBs. Both looked good their rookie seasons. Both struggled with fundamentals and injuries in their second seasons. To throw in the towel before the third season would be short-sighted in my POV. I assume TT is thinking this way as well. Pick another CB in the draft, find someone for low rent in the FA market, and expect that his initial hunches/scouting on those two were correct.

We'll see what these two players are made of when they come out of the gate in 2017. Did they learn from their sophomore mistakes or are they coasting from paycheck to paycheck.

 

[Mondio]

But he has. Which is why I do t get why ppl keep saying this. If you look at the game against the Lions to win the division, he was moved to the outside in favor of Randle...and ended up getting a huge int for us to clinch the game. He's got the best ball skills on the team at corner.

He was moved out there after Rollins and Dorleant were carted off the field, but I guess Rollins was in for Randall who went in to the game with a shoulder injury and left with a knee injury.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

I'm in favor of re-signing Hyde to a reasonable contract but there's no reason to line him up on the perimeter.

Probably not, he doesn't have the speed for that. He's not bad in the slot, however.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

But he has. Which is why I do t get why ppl keep saying this. If you look at the game against the Lions to win the division, he was moved to the outside in favor of Randle...and ended up getting a huge int for us to clinch the game. He's got the best ball skills on the team at corner.

Hyde has played on the outside occasionally even making plays on the perimeter. I'm convinced he won't excel covering opposing top receiver consistently though.

Expecting TT to get one of the top FA's is ludicrous.

From a purely GM mindset, you have to look at Randall and Rollins in the lens of two seasons. You spent two high draft picks on CBs. Both looked good their rookie seasons. Both struggled with fundamentals and injuries in their second seasons. To throw in the towel before the third season would be short-sighted in my POV. I assume TT is thinking this way as well. Pick another CB in the draft, find someone for low rent in the FA market, and expect that his initial hunches/scouting on those two were correct.

There's no reason to give up on either Randall or Rollins entering next season but it would be a huge risk to only add a low tier free agent as well as a draft pick while relying on the former first and second round picks to significantly improve.

BTW in my opinion it's ludicrous that a lot of Packers fans have accepted Thompson standing pat in free agency and don't even expect him to make a move, even with the team in dire need of a veteran presence at various positions.

 

[Poppa San]

BTW in my opinion it's ludicrous that a lot of Packers fans have accepted Thompson standing pat in free agency and don't even expect him to make a move, even with the team in dire need of a veteran presence at various positions.

What are our options? Yell and scream on chat boards? Turn in our long awaited for season tickets? Picket Lombardi avenue in waves of mass protest? Shoot Ted's dog (IDK if he has one)? Just because I choose to not do any of them does not mean I need to sit in my own funk and stew about it.