Davante Adams

[rodell330]

2nd year or rookie receivers excelling with major offensive roles :

Beckham Jr.
Evans
Landry
M. Bryant
Cooks
John Brown
Allen Robinson
Allen Burns
Amari Cooper

I'm not saying give up on Adams by any means, but it's not at all unprecedented for a 2nd year receiver to be thrust into a role like this, and to succeed.

I was one of the few people in here begging for TT to take Bryant in the 2nd and a bunch of folks in here were down on that pick!! Man oh man

 

[longtimefan]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/pack...ring-davante-adams-b99626041z1-359822921.html


Ohh oh

Excuse for speed, but not for drops???

"In fairness to him, he's had some ankle issues that have hurt him," Van Pelt said Monday. "Did you see him running today? He's struggling. He's toughing it out but..."

Adams suffered a low ankle sprain after a second-quarter reception Sept. 20 in Seattle.

He reinjured the ankle the next week against Kansas City and departed after three snaps. He sat out three games, played in three, aggravated the same left ankle in Minnesota and went the distance on Thanksgiving against Chicago.

"I don't know the severity of it or how he feels about it," Cobb said Tuesday. "I don't think he's looked like the same Davante. He hasn't been playing as fast as he normally does. I think it still bothers him.


"My shoulder has been bothering me, too, but y'all don't care about that. Nobody cares about that. They care about wins and losses, and we're not winning right now."

I love this part---shows that it did happen to a ONCE beloved Packer---- majority of us were glad he was a Packer

Jennings had the worst drop rate (8.1%) of his Packers' career in his second season. In his Year 2, Nelson sprained a knee and was relegated to No. 4. Jones' second year was a downer due to a recurring knee injury, erratic hands and negligible run after the catch.

 

[PackerDNA]

Yeah, it's strange to see an offence with an Aaron Rodgers at QB struggle like they have been. But the way the entire unit has struggled, the QB might as well be Brandon Weedon.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Which reception are you referring to? The one against the Carolina prevent defense, or the one against the Cowboys? He made a good move against a defender, but he was not far down the field.

I haven't seen the energy and effort from him that makes believe he will get open or do anything when the ball is not in his hands. Even during the TD against the Cowboys, which should be exciting for a young WR in a playoff game, he basically jogged into the end zone once he was in the clear. I'm not saying he should do a front flip like Brown, but I would rather see a player excited to score and want to race to the end zone each and every time.

Intensity is something you can't coach, and I don't see him having much.

So then your basis for doubting him is that he doesn't seem excited enough?

Adams has had way more chances to make plays because he was targeted way more often than Nelson, that makes a huge difference. He could turn into a decent possession receiver but I don´t expect him ever to become a huge deep threat.

So you think 1.5 seasons is the right amount of time to say this all a player will ever do?

 

[Sunshinepacker]

2nd year or rookie receivers excelling with major offensive roles :

Beckham Jr.
Evans
Landry
M. Bryant
Cooks
John Brown
Allen Robinson
Allen Hurns
Amari Cooper

I'm not saying give up on Adams by any means, but it's not at all unprecedented for a 2nd year receiver to be thrust into a role like this, and to succeed.

Adams has been bad. So has the entire offense. Cobb has been invisible. There's something wrong with the entire pass offense, Cobb has been more underwhelming than Adams if you're being honest.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

So you think 1.5 seasons is the right amount of time to say this all a player will ever do?

I´ve never said anything like that. Doesn´t change that Adams has been a major disappointment this season.

 

[Pkrjones]

IMHO Adams needs to be benched, not cut or given-up on. Watching highlights of him in 2014 he was running fast routes and making hard breaks which got him open. Maybe his ankle is still marginal and not allowing him to play fast OR make hard cuts. Maybe the pain level is wreaking havoc on his concentration... sit him down and let him heal!

Adams at 60% (or 80 or 90%) just isn't worth double-digit targets and 50% completion rate.

Coaching/play calling is partially at fault. Against a horrible Bear's run defense why not use 2 TE formation and run the ball 67% of the time, especially in cold wet weather??

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I´ve never said anything like that. Doesn´t change that Adams has been a major disappointment this season.

Cobb and Adams have both been disappointments. However, when you start saying player X will never be a certain type of player, when player X has measurables that are very similar to Nelson, doesn't make sense when said player had played fewer than two seasons. Now, I don't think that Adams will ever be a good deep guy but not because of his speed. I don't think he'll be that good because he's not fluid enough in his cuts to create separation, something that is probably going to prevent him from being good at any kind of receiver. However, I'm also willing to admit that maybe his ankle is still bothering him, which would significantly impair his ability to get away from coverage.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

IMHO Adams needs to be benched, not cut or given-up on. Watching highlights of him in 2014 he was running fast routes and making hard breaks which got him open. Maybe his ankle is still marginal and not allowing him to play fast OR make hard cuts. Maybe the pain level is wreaking havoc on his concentration... sit him down and let him heal!

Adams at 60% (or 80 or 90%) just isn't worth double-digit targets and 50% completion rate.

Coaching/play calling is partially at fault. Against a horrible Bear's run defense why not use 2 TE formation and run the ball 67% of the time, especially in cold wet weather??

Adams doesn't deserve the start but who do you replace him with? You can only assume that Janis is doing worse in practice. And you can't only look at the passing game. Janis isn't exactly a good run blocker. By taking Adams out you might not improve the passing game but also hurt the running game (the only part of the offense that's offered anything resembling hope).

 

[El Guapo]

It's a sophomore slump coinciding with the rest of the offensive team's slump. I'm not concerned, just disappointed.

 

[Mondio]

Adams doesn't deserve the start but who do you replace him with? You can only assume that Janis is doing worse in practice. And you can't only look at the passing game. Janis isn't exactly a good run blocker. By taking Adams out you might not improve the passing game but also hurt the running game (the only part of the offense that's offered anything resembling hope).

I think of Abby or Monty were healthy and available, they'd both be seeing 5-10 balls a game. Adams doesn't look anything like he looked last year. i wasn't sold on him being a super star, but he certainly didn't look this bad.

 

[longtimefan]

I think of Abby or Monty were healthy and available, they'd both be seeing 5-10 balls a game. Adams doesn't look anything like he looked last year. i wasn't sold on him being a super star, but he certainly didn't look this bad.

read the article i posted

they claim he is still hurt

 

[Half Empty]

It's a sophomore slump coinciding with the rest of the offensive team's slump. I'm not concerned, just disappointed.

Sophomores they could probably handle. It's the seniors and grad students having bad years that are giving them fits.

 

[Mondio]

read the article i posted

they claim he is still hurt

It would make sense, because he, like the rest of the offense has looked off. Though i think they're working thru some things and it will start coming together. Pass protection has improved some, running has improved. I don't know if i'm just hoping really hard, or am seeing a difference, but I think we're not far off from at least having a consistent offense. Maybe not 40 points a game, but enough to win them.

 

[TJV]

As strange as it may sound I was glad to read Adams has been playing hurt – at least it somewhat explains his poor performance and provides some hope he’ll get better. “Somewhat” because I don’t think a bad ankle affects one’s ability to catch the ball. Same for Cobb – no doubt his shoulder is still hurting and it probably will until the end of the season. If he fails blocking because of it I’d give him a pass, but when the ball hits both of his palms and he drops it, I don’t think that’s the shoulder’s fault.

And I think it’s worth remembering for some who continue to post, ‘with Aaron Rodgers as QB…’, that we have not been watching the MVP Rodgers for most of this season. Take away the plays in which the OL didn’t give him time, and the plays in which the receivers didn’t get open or did and then dropped a catchable ball. What remains is plays in which Rodgers is jumpy in the pocket even if he’s well protected, or plays where he sails the ball over receivers’ heads or throws it 10 yards in front of them. And there have been plays where he’s had more than 6 seconds to throw the ball and he takes a drive-ending sack instead of throwing the ball away. It’s one thing for him to do that when the offense is clicking, during this stretch it is not.

Some disagree but I think Thompson made a mistake not acquiring TE Davis on a ‘half season’ rental for a 5th or 6th rounder (they’ll receive better picks as compensation for losing T. Williams and House).The coaching staff hasn’t done enough to correct the situation in scheme and personnel. At some point during the last game as he was catching two of 11 targets for 14 yards it had be apparent to the staff that Adams wasn’t getting it done. While Janis may not run perfect routes, what would have been lost with him replacing Adams at some point? To top it off they get called for a pick on a play Jones clearly didn’t ‘pick’ the defender. That’s why I’ve posted more than once what is going on is a perfect offensive **** storm.

 

[Patriotplayer90]

As strange as it may sound I was glad to read Adams has been playing hurt – at least it somewhat explains his poor performance and provides some hope he’ll get better. “Somewhat” because I don’t think a bad ankle affects one’s ability to catch the ball. Same for Cobb – no doubt his shoulder is still hurting and it probably will until the end of the season. If he fails blocking because of it I’d give him a pass, but when the ball hits both of his palms and he drops it, I don’t think that’s the shoulder’s fault.

And I think it’s worth remembering for some who continue to post, ‘with Aaron Rodgers as QB…’, that we have not been watching the MVP Rodgers for most of this season. Take away the plays in which the OL didn’t give him time, and the plays in which the receivers didn’t get open or did and then dropped a catchable ball. What remains is plays in which Rodgers is jumpy in the pocket even if he’s well protected, or plays where he sails the ball over receivers’ heads or throws it 10 yards in front of them. And there have been plays where he’s had more than 6 seconds to throw the ball and he takes a drive-ending sack instead of throwing the ball away. It’s one thing for him to do that when the offense is clicking, during this stretch it is not.

Some disagree but I think Thompson made a mistake not acquiring TE Davis on a ‘half season’ rental for a 5th or 6th rounder (they’ll receive better picks as compensation for losing T. Williams and House).The coaching staff hasn’t done enough to correct the situation in scheme and personnel. At some point during the last game as he was catching two of 11 targets for 14 yards it had be apparent to the staff that Adams wasn’t getting it done. While Janis may not run perfect routes, what would have been lost with him replacing Adams at some point? To top it off they get called for a pick on a play Jones clearly didn’t ‘pick’ the defender. That’s why I’ve posted more than once what is going on is a perfect offensive **** storm.

His biggest mistake was drafting Rodgers in the 3rd round. He was projected as a 5-6th round guy and looks even less talented than that. I'm not sure what Thompson thought he saw, but I really question his judgement.

 

[brandon2348]

His biggest mistake was drafting Rodgers in the 3rd round. He was projected as a 5-6th round guy and looks even less talented than that. I'm not sure what Thompson thought he saw, but I really question his judgement.

He was a total reach.

 

[easyk83]

....He has 4.6 speed and plays absolutely no faster than that. That's like saying we could put Lacy at receiver as a deep threat. And before people start comparing Adams to Jerry Rice in terms of their attributes, just don't.

Is he going to be the next Jerry Rice? No. But does he have some similar attributes, certainly. He has similar length, long arms and like Jerry Rice he has a very fluid and graceful gate. The ability to run every route the same way, to change directions without tipping off the defender tends to allow a player to play faster than he is. Right now I believe that he's struggling with a mix of lingering injuries and the pressure of suddenly being a starting player.

 

[TJV]

So you both disagree with one of Thompson's draft picks? OK, no one has posted Thompson is perfect and he's obviously missed on other picks as well. Patriots player you weren't posting here at the time so I wonder how you rated RR at the time of the draft or even after his rookie year (hindsight being 20/20). BTW, as I remember it, Nick Collins was projected to go a couple of rounds after the Packers picked him in the second round. I wonder if either of you had a problem with that pick. If that's your standard and you are consistent, I would think you would have had to had a problem with it.

Brandon2348, you appeared to target RR before the 2014 draft. In a thread on Finley you wrote in February 2014:

Exactly, swallow the pill and franchise him and draft an athletic TE mid round guy like "Richard Rodgers" with a little time to develop.

Fourth round is "mid round" isn't it? So in your opinion at the time it was perhaps a reach but not a "total reach".

 

[Patriotplayer90]

So you both disagree with one of Thompson's draft picks? OK, no one has posted Thompson is perfect and he's obviously missed on other picks as well. Patriots player you weren't posting here at the time so I wonder how you rated RR at the time of the draft or even after his rookie year (hindsight being 20/20). BTW, as I remember it, Nick Collins was projected to go a couple of rounds after the Packers picked him in the second round. I wonder if either of you had a problem with that pick. If that's your standard and you are consistent, I would think you would have had to had a problem with it.

Brandon2348, you appeared to target RR before the 2014 draft. In a thread on Finley you wrote in February 2014:
Fourth round is "mid round" isn't it? So in your opinion at the time it was perhaps a reach but not a "total reach".

It's certainly okay to miss in the draft, most GMs do. But other GMs also try to make up for their miscalculations by bringing in guys from the UFA market.

I didn't post here at the time, but I was not big on Adams or Rodgers. I can't pretend I knew who either was at the time, but I looked into them and was not enthused with what I saw. I wasn't jumping up and down about TE with 4.87 speed.

The only other receiver I was familiar with who was available at the time was Moncrief, who I thought would have been a better pick because of superior size, speed, and having proved he can perform against good competition. If I had seen highlight reels of Allen Robinson, M. Bryant, etc., I would have been furious with the selection. It's not hindsight, it's just simple observation and common sense that these guys have higher ceilings and proved their worth against much better competition than Adams.

Now Janis, I was fond of. But aren't we all.

 

[C-Lee]

If RR could block and was a little bit faster, our TE situation wouldn't be THAT bad.

RR has caught some big touchdowns, and he seems to be a bit of an endzone specialist.

 

[brandon2348]

Brandon2348, you appeared to target RR before the 2014 draft. In a thread on Finley you wrote in February 2014:
Fourth round is "mid round" isn't it? So in your opinion at the time it was perhaps a reach but not a "total reach".

I'm not totally bent on the RR pick. I thought the 3rd was reaching but maybe they felt he wouldn't be there in the 4th or 5th where most projected him . I'm not upset about TT's scouting and drafting. I think he is the one of the best in the league at it. I just think the way this season has shaped up and with this years team knowing what he probably knew going into the trade dead line he should of acquired another receiving threat or TE option that could help us with some of the problems that are unfolding right in front of us.

I'm obviously playing "devils advocate" here and seeing things from the outside where he is right there in the middle of it. Maybe things will work themselves out and well all look back at this as a mid-season slump but I'm not so sure right now. I heard of several players names coming up as the trade deadline approached and once again we did nothing.

 

[gopkrs]

I was hoping Rodgers would catch more passes. He seems to have good hands. But he hasn't! So having a tight end starting that can't block and doesn't catch passes is kind of hard to figure out. The patriots go out and get the best they can find on the waiver wire when someone gets hurt or is not playing well. Just saying.

 

[C-Lee]

He seems to have good hands. But he hasn't! .

I'm pretty sure Aaron has stated that he has the best hands on the team, too.

 

[gopkrs]

I'm pretty sure Aaron has stated that he has the best hands on the team, too.

Maybe he does. But if

I'm pretty sure Aaron has stated that he has the best hands on the team, too.

Maybe he does. But if he isn't catching passes then he must not be getting open and we have a TE that cannot block and does not catch passes. Pretty much a no brainer to try anyone else.