Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM

[Gonepackin]

link?

See I was right, he left. It was all over inner circles. He told Mark that this was a betrayal. He wouldn’t commit to Mike for the future.

 

[Gonepackin]

I’ve heard he’s that mad he wants out.... only on Twitter though no actual reports from anyone credible

See I was right. It was all over inner circles. Wolf immediately left. He told Mark it was a betrayal. Wolf wouldn’t commit to Mike for the future.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

See I was right. It was all over inner circles. Wolf immediately left. He told Mark it was a betrayal. Wolf wouldn’t commit to Mike for the future.

Links? One of you "being right" on something that was pretty well predicted by most and do you have a link on Wolf leaving and saying that it was due to betrayal and inner circles?

 

[Firethorn1001]

See I was right.

Saying that Wolf would go somewhere else isn't a Nostradamus level event.

 

[Gonepackin]

Links? One of you "being right" on something that was pretty well predicted by most and do you have a link on Wolf leaving and saying that it was due to betrayal and inner circles?

No links needed. I have my sources. I called it, I was right. You were wrong. You didn't predict such.

 

[Gonepackin]

Saying that Wolf would go somewhere else isn't a Nostradamus level event.

Yet, you didn't predict it. You were in denial and still are. I called it, you didn't. I got sources. Wolf wasn't going to be subservient to McCarthy.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

No links needed. I have my sources. I called it, I was right. You were wrong. You didn't predict such.

Yet, you didn't predict it. You were in denial and still are. I called it, you didn't. I got sources. Wolf wasn't going to be subservient to McCarthy.

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[Firethorn1001]

Yet, you didn't predict it. You were in denial and still are. I called it, you didn't.

Then let me go on the record and say that my inner circle is telling me that the sun will rise tomorrow.

 

[Mondio]

Gute is a fellow UWL Eagles alum, though I'm not sure I ever actually met him there. I guess he was a linebackers coach while finishing up as a student. Brings back memories reading all his history.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

No links needed. I have my sources. I called it, I was right. You were wrong. You didn't predict such.

Yet, you didn't predict it. You were in denial and still are. I called it, you didn't. I got sources. Wolf wasn't going to be subservient to McCarthy.

Love the little feature here of being able to go back and read past posts by members. Now maybe I missed your "spot on prediction" of Wolf leaving, but enlighten me, I don't see it anywhere. Back in December, you predicted McCarthy would be gone yet it was announced he was actually extended a year.

Keep presenting yourself as a blowhard know it all, it's entertaining.

 

[RRyder]

No links needed. I have my sources. I called it, I was right. You were wrong. You didn't predict such.

Can't tell if you're trolling or not.

EVERYBODY thought Wolf was gone if he didn't get the job and everybody mentioned it at one time or another. WTF are you talking about?

 

[AmishMafia]

No links needed. I have my sources. I called it, I was right. You were wrong. You didn't predict such.

Not sure if you have sources or not, but just in case you are connected - What are you hearing about Financial Sector ETFs going forward under the new tax structures?

 

[Half Empty]

Then let me go on the record and say that my inner circle is telling me that the sun will rise tomorrow.

Link?

 

[Firethorn1001]

Link?

https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/west-bend

 

[HardRightEdge]

Not so much that. How about visions of Lindy and Tom Bratz crying to Judge Parins.

Murphy talked of "silos". Seems this restructuring created 4 distictive silos. Each silo wanting to protect his own sileage

I don't think in an organization this small the consultant-speak term "silo" is quite accurate. But that's the term you use to characterize problems as organizational rather than pointing fingers at individuals.

In this case, the term "fiefdom" was probably more appropriate, but that term casts aspersions on one or more lords of the various manors who don't communicate with each other and you'd be left to wonder who is to blame.

But when you look at the outcome, the names have changed but not the organizational structure:

Murphy is the defacto GM, Gutekunst is the defacto top personnel evaluator, McCarthy is still the HC (and probably more of a HC with Capers gone), a new DC who will likely be more accountable to the HC than the last one, and a new OC who will be the de facto assistant OC as were his predecessors. And Ball is Ball still reporting to Murphy.

So, what's the management problem Murphy is trying to solve? Consider the following:

http://www.espn.com/espnradio/playPopup?id=22017011

I believe the root problem was Thompson was not acting in the full capacity of a GM. For years we were told by him that he's just a little old scout doing what Ron Wolf taught him. I think there's considerable evidence that wasn't just self-deprecation as Brandt notes.

You can talk about the importance of giving coaches autonomy to do their job but there has to be accountability, and I believe the internal perception was Thompson was not demanding it. Perhaps McCarthy would have made a change at DC earlier if he thought his GM had his back instead of being hands off or taking a "let's leave it alone, let's stay the course" reluctance to dig into the issue.

Then there's the matter of communication. If there was some kind of Chinese wall between the scouting and the coaching, "I pick the ingredients, you cook the meal", that can't possibly be constructive. You would want a GM to give proper hearing to the needs expressed by his coaches. If Highsmith is to be believed, Thompson didn't even grant that within the scouting organization. That doesn't mean a coach or a scout always gets what he wants, or that GM won't disagree, but when you hire these people as subject matter experts you have to work their thoughts into the overall picture.

So, Murphy's doing what a lot of managers do when things get dysfunction and/or they're getting heat and they don't have definitive answers: they step down a notch and get hands on to figure things out.

Is he qualified to do so? He's been around football for a long time, and it's a managerial problem as much as a football problem, so I think he has a decent shot. Those responsible for defining needs from the coaching perspective (McCarthy), needs and talent assessments from the scouting perspective, and cap considerations from the finance guy look like they are going to get an equal hearing. Maybe all these guys will be spending some considerable time together in the same room brainstorming and making their individual cases. It's Murphy's job to make sure it is collegial, constructive and consensus-building. And in the process evaluate all of these guys in a way that perhaps Thompson did not.

Now, Brandt said in that clip that Murphy intends to review game plans. I would not make more out of that than what's there. As the new de facto GM, he'd be interested in his coach's thought process. I wouldn't worry about him suggesting changes, and I would not expect this to last very long.

Whether by self-initiative or under pressure from the board, Murphy is digging in, in a phase, to find out "what the hell is going on out there".

 

[Firethorn1001]

Now, Brandt said in that clip that Murphy intends to review game plans. I would not make more out of that than what's there. As the new de facto GM, he'd be interested in his coach's thought process. I wouldn't worry about him suggesting changes, and I would not expect this to last very long.

People are making a big deal out of that comment Murphy made. Obviously the worst case scenario is that he is meddling in game plans. What I'm thinking (hoping) is that it is just a 'Ok coach, anything you would like to do different that you can't' If he is hearing week after week that Mike wants a TE because it would help, MM would make sure that BG is aware of it and re-emphasis the needs of the team.

Really starting to wonder how good of a job TT was doing on anything.

 

[Gonepackin]

Love the little feature here of being able to go back and read past posts by members. Now maybe I missed your "spot on prediction" of Wolf leaving, but enlighten me, I don't see it anywhere. Back in December, you predicted McCarthy would be gone yet it was announced he was actually extended a year.

Keep presenting yourself as a blowhard know it all, it's entertaining.

That was extremely under wraps. Most people didn't even know about it, hence why it was never leaked to media. Only Murphy, McCarthy and Thompson knew. Plus, it was completely contrary to what Murphy was saying privately and publicly that it would be up to the GM. He reversed course. Nice try, Brat.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

That was extremely under wraps. Most people didn't even know about it, hence why it was never leaked to media. Only Murphy, McCarthy and Thompson knew. Plus, it was completely contrary to what Murphy was saying privately and publicly that it would be up to the GM. He reversed course. Nice try, Brat.

LOL so if I am to take this as being true.......are you Murphy, McCarthy or Thompson?

You still haven't presented any proof of you "calling this" or knowing this. Did you find that link yet?

Also are you now talking about what you seemed to know about Wolf, McCarthy or Waldo?

 

[Sunshinepacker]

There's quite a bit to be said in response to that but I don't think it's worth it. I'll just say that's not the current reality and if one wants to believe that someday a QB might break the mold with an all-guaranteed contract, it won't be Rodgers. He's under contract for two more years. He's nowhere near having that kind of leverage.

As for your comment about not every NFL player being set for life, that's not hard to see. Are you suggesting all NFL contracts should be fully guaranteed as in baseball? That will never happen. People lose track of how many players come into the game, get injured, and then exit. Tons. People also don't understand that there are only a few franchises where it's a great business to be in. For most, it's OK, not great. For a couple it is not even OK. Even billionaire hobbyists want to break even on their hobby, and many would not be able to do that if all contracts were fully guaranteed.

"Break even on their hobby"? Are you seriously saying that you believe the ridiculous reports that major sports teams LOSE money over the long run? Did you not just see how much the Marlins in baseball just sold for? One of the worst franchises in pro-sports?

It's weird that only in sports does the average fan root FOR the billionaire at the expense of the guy that has worked his entire life to make it. I honestly can't think of any other industry where the average person believes that someone who has overcome all the odds to make it should be held down by the insanely wealthy person.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

"Break even on their hobby"? Are you seriously saying that you believe the ridiculous reports that major sports teams LOSE money over the long run? Did you not just see how much the Marlins in baseball just sold for? One of the worst franchises in pro-sports?

It's weird that only in sports does the average fan root FOR the billionaire at the expense of the guy that has worked his entire life to make it. I honestly can't think of any other industry where the average person believes that someone who has overcome all the odds to make it should be held down by the insanely wealthy person.

Possibly the **** industry?

Not that I watch it or anything.

 

[HardRightEdge]

People are making a big deal out of that comment Murphy made. Obviously the worst case scenario is that he is meddling in game plans. What I'm thinking (hoping) is that it is just a 'Ok coach, anything you would like to do different that you can't' If he is hearing week after week that Mike wants a TE because it would help, MM would make sure that BG is aware of it and re-emphasis the needs of the team.

Really starting to wonder how good of a job TT was doing on anything.

As for your second point regarding TT, Since 2012 he's been putting most of the draft capital (and the most notable FA signing in Peppers) into the defense without the expected results. Regardless of whether the problem is the quality of the picks or the coaching, the problem is longstanding without any course correction. The answer in Packerland as we sit today is either "both" or "it's the coaching but Thompson wouldn't do anything about it" or "we don't know and we can't get a clear picture from Thompson and we're not going to muck around with one change or the other and then wait and see."

As to the first point, if McCarthy said, "We need a TE", consider the moving parts that go into that:

• Who's available in free agency?
• Who's available in the draft?
• How deep is the draft at that position?
• Who do we think we can get at which pick that represents good value?
• Can that guy contribute now or is the draft primarily developmental guys?
• If we take a TE in an upper round, what other need is not being filled?
• If we like a guy at a particular draft position but he's off the board, what's plan B?
• If free agency is the best route, how much will we have to pay?
• If we go with free agency, how does that cap hit affect the other needs on the table?
• And if we target a free agent but he goes elsewhere, what's the plan B?

You would expect McCarthy to prioritize the need within the context of the offense.

You would expect Gutekunst to provide his assessment of the current roster and the free agent and draft landscapes .

You would expect Ball to provide an assessment of cap implications from a multi-year perspective.

What you would hope to come out of it is a consensus that, "plan A is this, plan B is that", or we don't see a good option without overpaying or reaching so what's next? Or how about a big college WR who can run the TE routes out of the slot in rotation but who will drop because he doesn't run 4.5? You know, like Richard Rodgers, but faster?

Jokes aside, the set-up as we're led to believe at this point is Murphy intends to arbitrate toward consensus, i.e., breaking down "silos" or "fiefdoms" or whatever term you prefer, and get these guys on the same page.

One thing's for sure. The days of Thompson sitting in the draft room pouring over his spreadsheets and going with his gut with everybody else in the room just silent decoration are over.

 

[Gonepackin]

LOL so if I am to take this as being true.......are you Murphy, McCarthy or Thompson?

You still haven't presented any proof of you "calling this" or knowing this. Did you find that link yet?

Also are you now talking about what you seemed to know about Wolf, McCarthy or Waldo?

I don't need to or nor will I divulge my sources. So keep trying to discredit me. It's pretty shameful.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I don't need to or nor will I divulge my sources. So keep trying to discredit me. It's pretty shameful.

discredit you? I am trying to credit you, but that is up to you. Anyone can make wild accusations that "I knew this or that would happen before it did", but unless they actually have proof of doing so before the fact, it comes off as just someone trying to be smarter than the rest of us idiots.

You point blank said today:

See I was right, he left. It was all over inner circles. He told Mark that this was a betrayal. He wouldn’t commit to Mike for the future.

See I was right. It was all over inner circles. Wolf immediately left. He told Mark it was a betrayal. Wolf wouldn’t commit to Mike for the future.

When were you right and right about exactly what?

 

[Gonepackin]

discredit you? I am trying to credit you, but that is up to you. Anyone can make wild accusations that "I knew this or that would happen before it did", but unless they actually have proof of doing so before the fact, it comes off as just someone trying to be smarter than the rest of us idiots.

You point blank said today:





When were you right and right about exactly what?

I mean I agree. I know it harkens back to "no link=not true" or "pics or didn't happen." However, I was on to something.

And I was right about Wolf being furious and he was going to be immediately on the way out.

 

[Dantés]

The Packers denied Wolf multiple opportunities to interview for other GM jobs, and then passed him over when their own became available. I'm not faulting the organization, but who wouldn't be upset in that situation? Who wouldn't want to leave?

Coming into this situation, I didn't envision a scenario in which they would keep Ball, Wolf, and Gutekunst. Keeping two of the three is a win, in my opinion.