Biggest mistake of the offseason

[RRyder]

They should not even be let to hit FA. Letting them hit FA and hoping for no takers so we can re-sign them on cheap is TTs philosophy and it cuts both ways.

They tried to lock up Lang early. He water to test the market.

Lacy and Hyde are the exact type of guys that you let hit the market when they're asking price is to high

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I ignore the people who seem to be completely blindly loyal to everything he does and the people who seem to be completely blindly critical of everything he does. Everyone else seems worth having a discussion with.

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[brandon2348]

It eventually ends up as for vs against on TT and understandably so.

But the only questions we should ask ourselves is, are we stronger than last season? Do we have a better potential to win SB than last season?

Whether we win or not depends on lot of other factors, but the preparation or lack of is the primary focus of the threads...and it does reflect back to TT.

I don't think we are better then last year right now but we'll see what the draft brings. We can only hope Ted has some big trade or something up his sleeve at this point. There are some guys I like in the draft but I am not sure how much they will help the situation out immediately.

I really do try to take my anger out of the situation when sorting this stuff out but it's hard. I think with the additions with the TE's it opens up the offense up to another whole new dimension. I really like the possibilities and I will be buying a Martellus Bennett jersey. While I'm not extremely concerned about Lang leaving I am of some concern if a couple injuries happen across the OL. I think that could send things into a tailspin.

On defense I am terrified with all the question marks and "hope". We need this guy and that guy and this guy and then that guy and then the other guy to improve and get better. Seems like a tall task and a lot to ask and hope for. An injury to Nick Perry would send the defense reeling IMO. It's just a total crap shoot what could happen here. I don't feel good about it at this point at all and I think it's safe to say we haven't gotten better here.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I just got off the phone with my Father, who is a huge Packer fan but doesn't really read or hear much of anything about the Packers during the offseason.....his first words were "Super Bowl Schedule!"

My lesson from dear old dad......Head in the sand....stop coming to this sight, and for 49 weeks out of the year, the Packers are Super Bowl bound!

 

[Sky King]

I just got off the phone with my Father, who is a huge Packer fan but doesn't really read or hear much of anything about the Packers during the offseason.....his first words were "Super Bowl Schedule!"

My lesson from dear old dad......Head in the sand....stop coming to this sight, and for 49 weeks out of the year, the Packers are Super Bowl bound!

An homage to the wisdom of your dear old Dad:

Accept what is
Let Go of what was
Have Faith in what will be

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

An homage to the wisdom of your dear old Dad:

Accept what is
Let Go of what was
Have Faith in what will be

I keep telling him that, but with his Alzheimer's he forgets.

 

[HardRightEdge]

He and Monty rotate in the backfield?

I don't think they're paying Cobb $10 mil per year to play running back.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

If your worried about the $ then worry about the 15 mill Matthews is set to get paid.

I know this won't make it sting any less, but in reality, Matthews is "only" costing the Packers $10,975,000 if he is on the 53 man roster. $4.1M is dead cap. I still wouldn't be surprised to see Mathews cut before the 53 if he is showing no signs of improvement, another player has beaten him out or he is injured. Now next year, his $11.4M Cap hit can be completely erased if he is cut prior to workout and roster bonuses.

 

[brandon2348]

I know this won't make it sting any less, but in reality, Matthews is "only" costing the Packers $10,975,000 if he is on the 53 man roster. $4.1M is dead cap. I still wouldn't be surprised to see Mathews cut before the 53 if he is showing no signs of improvement, another player has beaten him out or he is injured. Now next year, his $11.4M Cap hit can be completely erased if he is cut prior to workout and roster bonuses.

I read yesterday that he "feels great" and he is healthy but 15 million would probably make anyone feel that way.

I say draft Charles Harris and push Matthews to the limit.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I read yesterday that he "feels great" and he is healthy but 15 million would probably make anyone feel that way.

I say draft Charles Harris and push Matthews to the limit.

Matthews better feel and play great, I think his time in Green Bay is squarely on the line. Someone currently on the team or as you said, a rookie may be poised to push him out. I don't think the Packers keep him around to sit on the bench or be a rotational guy at $10.975M. Take the $4.475M ($375K workout bonus) hit and move on.

I still like Clay, but not for what he is getting paid. If they could rework his contract and load it with some incentives, to keep him motivated and willing to take the new contract, I feel both sides would be better off.

 

[HardRightEdge]

I've posted about them wanting to go bigger as there moves would suggest and that makes Cobb somewhat expendable.

Well see how it shakes out.

Yup. And that applies to McCarthy talking about using Burnett more at ILB. If it's tried and it works, then it sticks. If it doesn't, back to the ol' plan A.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Like I said, I'm not super concerned about the starting 5 on the OL, but rotational depth has to be addressed, especially since they may be relying on either Spriggs, Barclay, McCray or Murphy to assume the RG spot.

Count Spriggs out of the OG equation. McCarthy has said he sees him as an OT implying he will not be working out at OG.

 

[Mondio]

LOL.....the Bar.....that I set too damn high

Well that's just mean

 

[HardRightEdge]

They tried to lock up Lang early. He water to test the market.

Lacy and Hyde are the exact type of guys that you let hit the market when they're asking price is to high

Lang was carping about Rodgers making his job harder by holding the ball so long. Maybe he'll like blocking for Stafford who's not very mobile. After 2.5 seconds, it's on the other guy.

 

[Sky King]

I don't think they're paying Cobb $10 mil per year to play running back.

Sorry, I should have made my thought more clear. What I meant was how they can now use both players just as they've used Cobb in the past at RB for certain packages, plus even more. The two new TEs make the run an even more attractive option thatn it was pre-Bennet and Kendricks. Lacy could run for power but I can't recall him running anything other than screens as a receiver. He was no potential threat downfield running patterns. Ripkowski, is more similar to Lacy than Cobb or Monty. And Michael is no great receiving threat coming out of the backfield. Those guys are not as versatile as Cobb and Montgomery. The latter two being far superior as multi-dimensional threats, and they should give opposing DCs fits in preparation and during the game.

So how will the D choose to stop them, heavy with LBs or DBs? They could exploit the match-ups either way, especially if they can catch the opposition in a look they really want (and keep them in it using the no-huddle). They won't need to make Cobb a permanent RB to do that.

I can appreciate why #12 is looking forward to the two new TEs to complement Cobb and Monty. Blitz, and Rodgers can kill you. Cover, and the runners can gash you. Load the box and watch the receivers run past you. Now, if they can somehow get the defense fixed...

 

[ExpatPacker]

I was actually reading something yesterday talking about Thompson needs to have his best draft ever for Packers to be serious contenders this year and I agree. He is going to need to find at least two immediate players IMO.

While it's great to have hopes that Randall and Rollins will improve its just ridiculous to have the whole season hinging on it. It goes beyond those guys too as the number of players that we need improvement from and is as high as i've seen in a long time.

Hope and optimism is one thing but to just be so blind to the realities is another.

Randall looked lost at times last year, and I think his self-confidence really took a blow. I'm not that optimistic about him. One hope I do have is that Davon House will come back and play well. He's not going to be a shut-down corner or anything like that but I have a reasonable hope he'll come back really motivated after the Jacksonville debacle, which wasn't all his doing by any means.

 

[ExpatPacker]

You know, with GB playing Seattle in week 1, I have a feeling there will be no Sherman trade for us. Maybe Ted is working on a deal for a solid veteran LB or a DL, who knows?

 

[Deleted member 6794]

it has nothing to do with average amount of injuries, though I don't need to see the post to know who posted it. Probably something about mindboggling has been mentioned 2-3 times already too, but I digress.

There's no doubt the Packers suffered a lot of injuries at cornerback last season but on the other hand were extremely healthy compared to other teams on the defensive line as well as at linebacker. Of course I expect you to ignore that as it doesn't fit your opinion.

nothing wrong with him, but would you rather pay 4th round rookie money for that production or the 6-7 or so million per year money he got for the same production?

It's ridiculous to suggest that Martinez performed at the same level as Trevathan last season.

It would seem that TT feels he can replace that position. So far he's right, as Hyde was a capable replacement for Hayward. We will see how he does this time around.

Taking a look at the way the cornerbacks performed last season it's a huge reach to mention Thompson being right about the moves he made there.

Randall looked lost at times last year, and I think his self-confidence really took a blow.

In my opinion Randall was way too confident for most of last season considering he struggled mightily.

 

[Dantés]

Taking a look at the way the cornerbacks performed last season it's a huge reach to mention Thompson being right about the moves he made there.

We were talking specifically about the third corner position, but then I think you knew that.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

We were talking specifically about the third corner position, but then I think you knew that.

Well, Hyde was cosidered a safety entering last season with Rollins being the third cornerback on the depth chart. That didn't work out that well.

 

[Dantés]

Well, Hyde was cosidered a safety entering last season with Rollins being the third cornerback on the depth chart. That didn't work out that well.

Hyde was never a true corner or safety. He was a sub package defensive back. TT let our nickel walk (should have kept him to be a starter, but under Capers he never showed that capability) and Hyde slotted into that role, no pun intended, and was pretty good.

Another poster said it was alarming that TT doesn't seem to value that nickel back role as a starter. I didn't say he was wrong, but just pointed out that he handled that move fine last year and we will see what 2017 brings. Simply because the rest of our CB corps flopped doesn't mean it's a "huge reach" to point out true things.

 

[Reese2017]

Datone jones biggest mistake by far DL coach turgo doesn't have a clue about talent when he had extended playing time he was good Minnesota stole one and that's bad for the pack why when players leave they become good fluke no .

 

[Half Empty]

I ignore the people who seem to be completely blindly loyal to everything he does and the people who seem to be completely blindly critical of everything he does. Everyone else seems worth having a discussion with.

So the answer is 'yes'?

 

[Dantés]

So the answer is 'yes'?

I've only "ignored" one person, but I literally ignore those people I consider to be completely extreme on either end, yes.

 

[Poppa San]

Datone jones biggest mistake by far DL coach turgo doesn't have a clue about talent when he had extended playing time he was good Minnesota stole one and that's bad for the pack why when players leave they become good fluke no .

Hayward and Cullen Jenkins. Who else was more than a JAG after he left?