Actual Signed Roster For 2022

[Pkrjones]

I am not understanding this...if it all comes due and hits just the one time there is zero reason to have it structured like that.

I guess I don't at all understand the purpose of it appearing everywhere that say for example Kevin King is still hitting the cap in 2023, 2024 and 2025 for $750,000 and that was there when his contract was announced - if it all hits the 2022 year, why in the hell is it showing up as a cost in 2023, 2024 and 2025? I don't get it.

Overthecap shows Kevin King as having a prorated bonus of $750k for '22, '23, '24 AND '25 but it also shows his cap hit in '22 is $3Mil. Until the Packers actually take that cap hit of $3Mil they are carrying-out the bonus money, but it should be taken off the books when they incur the $3Mil hit.

Same for Tonyan, Campbell & Sullivan. '22's dead money will be substantial, which is why GB won't be re-signing a lot of our own Free Agents (e.g. Douglas & Campbell). IF AR is traded & GB cuts ties with Z. Smith, Lowry & Cobb the "dead money" is $52.655Mil.

OTC has a calculator feature which lets us play "what if" with contracts to see possible moves & their cap ramifications which I like to dabble with.

 

[tynimiller]

Overthecap shows Kevin King as having a prorated bonus of $750k for '22, '23, '24 AND '25 but it also shows his cap hit in '22 is $3Mil. Until the Packers actually take that cap hit of $3Mil they are carrying-out the bonus money, but it should be taken off the books when they incur the $3Mil hit.

Same for Tonyan, Campbell & Sullivan. '22's dead money will be substantial, which is why GB won't be re-signing a lot of our own Free Agents (e.g. Douglas & Campbell). IF AR is traded & GB cuts ties with Z. Smith, Lowry & Cobb the "dead money" is $52.655Mil.

OTC has a calculator feature which lets us play "what if" with contracts to see possible moves & their cap ramifications which I like to dabble with.

I guess I don't understand why write four voided years worth of cap hits if everyone knows the hit occurs the first voided year then? Nothing is gained, than surely Ball and others wouldn't waste time writing them as that? No?

 

[Pkrjones]

I guess I don't understand why write four voided years worth of cap hits if everyone knows the hit occurs the first voided year then? Nothing is gained, than surely Ball and others wouldn't waste time writing them as that? No?

It's used to spread the bonus money over 3,4, or 5 years reducing the amount in year 1.

Kevin King got a 1 yr, $5Mil deal, was paid $5Mil in 2021, but only cost $1,929,412 against the '21 cap because his pro-rated SB was only $750k (and $750k counting towards the next 4 future years). Because he's not signed in '22 the remaining 4 years of $750K's roll up and "become due" on the '22 cap which hits GB for $3Mil in '22. It's all legal, accounting BS that uses future $$ to be spent in a previous year.

Pretty sure if Gute is able to extend Jaire Alexander it will be a 3 or 4 year deal that has a void 5th year so his huge signing bonus gets spread out over 5 years.

 

[ARPackFan]

I guess I don't understand why write four voided years worth of cap hits if everyone knows the hit occurs the first voided year then? Nothing is gained, than surely Ball and others wouldn't waste time writing them as that? No?

I think the only benefit is the player and team will need to negotiate a new contract before the trigger date voids the contract. The player can still become a FA without actually commiting to additional years and the team gets cap relief while the player is still on the roster.

 

[tynimiller]

I think the only benefit is the player and team will need to negotiate a new contract before the trigger date voids the contract. The player can still become a FA without actually commiting to additional years and the team gets cap relief while the player is still on the roster.

This appears to be how it plays out...guess we will learn very shortly on the timing and such of quite a few of ours....should one get resigned - and it is I guess in time to amend those future voids and if we resign but after I guess the time to do so as well....this void years concept is just nuts.

 

[ARPackFan]

hortly on the timing and such of quite a few of ours....should one get resigned - and it is I guess in time to amend those future voids and if we resign but after I guess the time to do so as well....this void years concept is just nuts.

Most teams run their cap like a ponzi scheme - pay for today with future dollars which were always going up with the cap. When tomorrows dollars suddenly droppped it triggered desperate measures for desperate times. Up until this last year most GMs stayed away from void years.

 

[Cheese Headed Monster]

Look at the receiving core. Mmm! Mmm! Nothing like Randall Cobb being #1WR in 2022. Good luck opposing secondary's. Let me know if they have open tryouts. I think I have a shot... But jokes aside, GB... surely you knew this to be a possibility and have a plan. I cannot wait to see what that plan is.

 

[tynimiller]

Look at the receiving core. Mmm! Mmm! Nothing like Randall Cobb being #1WR in 2022. Good luck opposing secondary's. Let me know if they have open tryouts. I think I have a shot... But jokes aside, GB... surely you knew this to be a possibility and have a plan. I cannot wait to see what that plan is.

Cobb won't see the roster due to his hit being so high....only way he does is if he takes a restructured extension or cut.

 

[Cheese Headed Monster]

Cobb won't see the roster due to his hit being so high....only way he does is if he takes a restructured extension or cut.

Yikes... I'm very excited to see what moves are made and to see what this team ends up looking like.

 

[OldSchool101]

I updated OP for dead money and voided money hits....want to freak about voided money presently hitting future caps look at 2023:

Voided Hits: Total $41,081,200
Aaron Rodgers $33,173,568
Dean Lowry $1,866,000
Randall Cobb $1,391,666
Marcedes Lewis $1,050,000
Mason Crosby $1,005,000
Billy Turner $890,000
Kevin King $750,000
Robert Tonyan $469,800
Chandon Sullivan $242,600
De'Vondre Campbell $242,600

THIS IS THE **** PUSHING THE CAN DOES FOLKS.....AND SOME OF YOU ARE ADVOCATING FOR MORE OF THIS CRAP. HOW DO YOU LIKE PAYING FOR THE SERVICES OF KEVIN KING, TURNER, TONYAN, LEWIS, CAMPBELL, LOWRY, CROSBY STILL INTO 2023?

What if I told you those names don't stop in 2023, but are hitting our cap still in 2024 - for nearly $4M total....

So question I have. Is Aaron’s voided $ for 2022 included in his Dead money if he is sent packing? Is that why it went from $17 to $27 dead recently??
Am I correct in assuming we’d eat his dead $ in a potential trade??

. So the difference would be roughly
Rodgers— Love combo $50mil
Vs
Dead$— Love combo $30mil

The reason I’m asking is because these were just “off the cuff” assumptions in a Rodgers trade I had made. Where we’d alleviate $20mil (less another QB etc..) in 2022 and then possibly be in 1-2 QB Rookie contracts in 2023

 

[thequick12]

Are you sure you have that figured right?

King, Tonyan, Sullivan, and campbell will not count anything towards the 2023 cap. All their void years were 2022 and later so as soon as the 2021 year ends and the 2022 year begins all of their future void years come due at once. They don't hang on until the actual year. They will all count against the 2022 cap.

King for example had 4 void years (22,23,24,25) at 750,000 each for a total of 3 million. that entire 3 million will count against the cap in 2022 and be off the books.

Not sure where you got the Aaron Rodgers number. His void year is 2023 so the only cap hit he will incur is his pro rated roster bonus of 7.6 million.

I could be wrong but that is how it was explained when they started handing out all these void year contracts.

Im not sure either way but that wouldnt make sense...what would be the point of adding 4 void years to a one year deal if it all comes due in the 2nd year? Wouldnt it just be a one year deal with one void year then...

Im pretty sure king counts 750k thru the 2025 season...

I'm getting sick of so many just having no clue actually whom we even have on the roster for 2022 - and understanding this is crucial to even be reasonable when discussing all the various options/questions/decisions the Packers face this off season. So rather than post this all over like 18 different threads - here a thread to itself that will list our 2022 roster of players that actually are signed to be a Packer for next year. If you don't see a name here, that means that player in some capacity is a Free Agent (UFA, RFA, ERFA) and presently NOT assumed to be here next fall.

I have placed their total potential Cap Hit as presently constructed JUST FOR 2022

*Additions made with street free agents at season's end or future deals for our PS guys before 2021 league year end

The first number beside the position group is the number of players signed in that group, following the hyphon (-) is the running total working down the page for quick reference of total players.

QB 4 - 4
Aaron Rodgers - $46,444,157
Jordan Love - $3,377,305
*Kurt Benkert - $825,000
*Danny Etling - $825,000

RB 4 - 8
Aaron Jones - $8,952,935
AJ Dillon - $1,441,590
Kylin Hill - $844,766
Patrick Taylor - $825,000

WR 5 - 13
Randall Cobb - $9,351,362
Amari Rodgers - $1,113,613
Juwann Winfree - $895,000
*Chris Blair - $705,000
*Rico Gafford - $825,000

TE 3 - 16
Mercedes Lewis - $2,445,000
Josiah Deguara - $1,217,367
Tyler Davis - $895,000


OL 7 - 23
David Bakhtiari - $22,768,000
Elgton Jenkins - $2,158,106
Royce Newman - $949,836
Jon Runyan - $938,669
Josh Myers - $1,268,213
*Michael Menet - $705,000
*Cole Van Lanen - $705,000

DT/DE 4 - 27
Kenny Clark - $20,867,632
Tedarrell Slaton - $895,130
Dean Lowry - $7,922,000
*Jack Heflin - $705,000

OLB 6 - 33
Tipa Galeai - $825,000
Za'Darius Smith - $27,659,411
Preston Smith - $20,970,576
Rashan Gary - $5,051,872
Jonathan Garvin - $914,820
*Ladarius Hamilton - $705,000


ILB 3 - 36
Ty Summers - $989,476
Isaiah McDuffie - $857,677
*Ray Wilborn - $705,000

CB 5 - 41
Eric Stokes - $2,710,346
Shemar Jean-Charles - $885,038
Jaire Alexander - $13,294,000
*Kabion Ento - $825,000
*Kiondre Thomas - $705,000

S 4 - 45
Adrian Amos - $11,982,000
Darnell Savage - $3,982,901
Vernon Scott - $915,922
*Innis Gaines - $705,000

Special Teams 2 - 47
Steven Wirtel - LS - $825,000
Mason Crosby - K - $4,735,000

Dead Money Hitting 2022 Cap (from past trades, cuts and such - examples: Keke, Sternberger...) $1,580,565

Players With 2022 Cap Hits Due to Pushed Forward Voided Money: $6,657,600 Total

Kevin King - $3,000,000
Robert Tonyan - $1,879,200
Chandon Sullivan - $970,400
De'Vondre Campbell - $808,000

Isnt Billy Turner under contract with a cap hit of 9, 240, 000

 

[thequick12]

So question I have. Is Aaron’s voided $ for 2022 included in his Dead money if he is sent packing? Is that why it went from $17 to $27 dead recently??
Am I correct in assuming we’d eat his dead $ in a potential trade??

. So the difference would be roughly
Rodgers— Love combo $50mil
Vs
Dead$— Love combo $30mil

The reason I’m asking is because these were just “off the cuff” assumptions in a Rodgers trade I had made. Where we’d alleviate $20mil (less another QB etc..) in 2022 and then possibly be in 1-2 QB Rookie contracts in 2023

If traded the Packers would take the 26. 847, 136 dead cap hit in 2022 immediately while saving just over 19.5 m against the 2022 cap...Rodgers would still count 7, 673. 568 against the 2023 cap due to the void year in his updated contract

If they sign him to a 4 year extension they can work the deal in a way they can save more than 19.5 m against the 2022 cap

 

[Poppa San]

Im not sure either way but that wouldnt make sense...what would be the point of adding 4 void years to a one year deal if it all comes due in the 2nd year? Wouldnt it just be a one year deal with one void year then...

Im pretty sure king counts 750k thru the 2025 season...

You add 4 void years to make the first year much cheaper and push the pain out a year. King's ransom is off the books after this next season. Unless he re-ups for a pittance.

 

[thequick12]

Alright yeah i guess but that makes me think less of the Packers front office...king counting 3 million in 2022 was not a good idea at all. Him counting 750k would of been bad enough

You kick the can for players like Rodgers and Adams not kevin king

 

[Pkrjones]

You kick the can for players like Rodgers and Adams not kevin king

Why kick the can for any 1 (or 2) players, when it takes all 53 (as we've seen the bottom 11 DO MATTER). A team shouldn't hamstring themselves in the future for any player. Where is GB if said player suffers a career-ending injury in week 3, yet is still screwed 2 years down the road? I'm all-in for no can kicking.

 

[thequick12]

Why kick the can for any 1 (or 2) players, when it takes all 53 (as we've seen the bottom 11 DO MATTER). A team shouldn't hamstring themselves in the future for any player. Where is GB if said player suffers a career-ending injury in week 3, yet is still screwed 2 years down the road? I'm all-in for no can kicking.

Where is green bay without aaron rodgers starting over the last however many years?

Bears, Lions, Browns

Also as ive tried to explain numerous times...the 2022 cap number is artificially low because it was capped at 208.2 million due to covids effect on revenue during the 2020 season. The tv/media deal also kicks in for 2023...i expect the cap to be around 238.2 million for 2023

If their ever was a time to back load contracts significantly to field a super bowl contender its now, this is a unique opportunity to kick the can without ending up in salary cap hell down the road becas of it

 

[Pkrjones]

... this is a unique opportunity to kick the can without ending up in salary cap hell down the road becas of it

EVERY year is a unique opportunity for some dumba$$ GM to hamstring his team by backloading & handing out bad contracts. There IS a cap hell down the road, not matter what you forecast the cap to be in a year or 2, by sinking too much cap $$ into an aging player regardless of their talent. One injury blows-up your plan. Spend your money wisely on a core of younger players so it can withstand an injury or 3.

 

[sschind]

Why kick the can for any 1 (or 2) players, when it takes all 53 (as we've seen the bottom 11 DO MATTER). A team shouldn't hamstring themselves in the future for any player. Where is GB if said player suffers a career-ending injury in week 3, yet is still screwed 2 years down the road? I'm all-in for no can kicking.

I get the sentiment but if you want any top players you are going to have to kick the can some. Any signing bonus is kicking the can and large signing bonuses are sometimes the only way teams can get some players in under the cap. Players want large guarantees and teams don't want to guarantee salaries 5 years down the road so they give signing bonuses.

Alright yeah i guess but that makes me think less of the Packers front office...king counting 3 million in 2022 was not a good idea at all. Him counting 750k would of been bad enough

You kick the can for players like Rodgers and Adams not kevin king

Yeah, but if they hadn't done it that way King would have counted even more against the cap in 2021. Essentially they paid him 5 million to play 1 year. The choices were cap hits of 2 million in 2021 and 3 million in 2022 or 3 million in 2021 and 2 million in 2022. They chose to take the lesser hit in 2021 instead of 2022. There is still a possibility that they can lessen that 3 million hit in 2022 if they sign him to a new contract but they would have to do it before this one voids on whatever day it is. It all depends on whether they want to keep him, how much they want to pay him and how much he thinks he can make on the open market.

EVERY year is a unique opportunity for some dumba$$ GM to hamstring his team by backloading & handing out bad contracts. There IS a cap hell down the road, not matter what you forecast the cap to be in a year or 2, by sinking too much cap $$ into an aging player regardless of their talent. One injury blows-up your plan. Spend your money wisely on a core of younger players so it can withstand an injury or 3.

Any time you sign a guy to more than a 1 year contract you risk that and in a way you are kicking the can down the road. I just don't think you are going to sign or retain any of the really top level players without some some degree of can kicking.

 

[Half Empty]

Where is green bay without aaron rodgers starting over the last however many years?

Bears, Lions, Browns

(A) Who would have been starting? (B) Who else would have been on the team with the extra money?

 

[OldSchool101]

If traded the Packers would take the 26. 847, 136 dead cap hit in 2022 immediately while saving just over 19.5 m against the 2022 cap...Rodgers would still count 7, 673. 568 against the 2023 cap due to the void year in his updated contract

If they sign him to a 4 year extension they can work the deal in a way they can save more than 19.5 m against the 2022 cap

Ok. What I’m trying to figure out is before this season he showed 17mil dead and now it’s $26m (+2023 void $ if what you are saying is correct) where the heck did the ~$9mil extra increase come from? I’m not being sarcastic serious ? Here

 

[thequick12]

Ok. What I’m trying to figure out is before this season he showed 17mil dead and now it’s $26m (+2023 void $ if what you are saying is correct) where the heck did the ~$9mil extra increase come from? I’m not being sarcastic serious ? Here

They restructured his base salary right before last season...that could be why or becas they voided the last year of his deal maybe...im not really sure

 

[thequick12]

(A) Who would have been starting? (B) Who else would have been on the team with the extra money?

Thats the point who would have been starting? Likely, around 20 different guys ala the bears/browns

 

[thequick12]

Yeah, but if they hadn't done it that way King would have counted even more against the cap in 2021. Essentially they paid him 5 million to play 1 year. The choices were cap hits of 2 million in 2021 and 3 million in 2022 or 3 million in 2021 and 2 million in 2022. They chose to take the lesser hit in 2021 instead of 2022. There is still a possibility that they can lessen that 3 million hit in 2022 if they sign him to a new contract but they would have to do it before this one voids on whatever day it is. It all depends on whether they want to keep him, how much they want to pay him and how much he thinks he can make on the open market.

It voids 22 days prior to the beginning of the league year...And they better not resign him. I think he had zero interest from other teams last year and the Packers should of been on that list too. Definitely not worth kicking the can for kevin king to the tune of 3 million when they knew the cap was gonna be so low in 2022.

Id have rather taken that 2 million of cap space they used on king and upped the offer for obj by 500k like the rams did...

 

[Half Empty]

Thats the point who would have been starting? Likely, around 20 different guys ala the bears/browns

OK. Seems a little simplistic, but since there's no way to prove either side...

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Definitely not worth kicking the can for kevin king to the tune of 3 million when they knew the cap was gonna be so low in 2022.

Id have rather taken that 2 million of cap space they used on king and upped the offer for obj by 500k like the rams did...

The decision to keep King was made last March. At the time Stokes wasn't drafted, very few people knew who Rasul Douglas was and OBJ was a Cleveland Brown. In other words, the Packers made that decision without a crystal ball. With what good starting CB's are paid in the NFL, I was not that unhappy with the King 1 year prove it deal. When he played (11 games) he wasn't great, but he wasn't bad. With the loss of Jaire for a good portion of the season, King was a good player to have.

Would I resign King? Depends on what they can do with Rasul and Sullivan. I doubt there is a big market for King and despite how much he seems to be despised by some Packer fans, at the right price, I would resign him.