Aaron Rodgers is an Arrogant Jerk!

[Quientus]

And I read it in its entirety and call it the worst piece of sports journalism I have ever seen. Nuggets of truth in there? Sure. But when you mix truth with your own speculation as I know Dunne did, it makes for a large pile of steaming BS.

Anyone can claim to have anonymous sources, and those sources could be the stray cats that go wandering through Lambeau Field's parking lot.

Are you serious ? The last person to Call out Rodgers on The record, Got fired The Day after ...

Most journalists promise anonymity to Their sources, Else they wouldnt get information ... Basically your saying Dunne took months writing that article based only on 2 sources ... LOL - I wonder how he could still have a job then ...

I guess Donald Driver must be a very bitter ex-Packer too ???

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

I still think that as he admitted saying it, even as a joke, Jennings isn`t lying and I`d be pissed if others were saying it hadn`t happened. I`m not saying Rodgers should be run out of town because of it but he could end this here and now and admit with hindsight it wasn`t the right thing to say about a fellow professional.

Here's the thing though. The issue isn't that nobody believes Rodgers didn't crack that joke. It's an attempt by Dunne in the article to tie that incident that happened in 2012 to the bad seasons of 2017 and 2018, five years after Jennings was long gone. Keep in mind too that Jennings career went kersplat after he left Green Bay, and no doubt he blames Rodgers for that.

In the world of professional sports be it football, basketball, baseball, teammates are always going to have incidents of some form or another. The idea though that Rodgers intimidates and runs the locker room like a mob boss as apparently some posters believe is just completely wacko.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Are you serious ? The last person to Call out Rodgers on The record, Got fired The Day after ...

Most journalists promise anonymity to Their sources, Else they wouldnt get information ... Basically your saying Dunne took months writing that article based only on 2 sources ... LOL - I wonder how he could still have a job then ...

I guess Donald Driver must be a very bitter ex-Packer too ???

1. Are you referring to Winston Moss? He was talking about the whole team not singling Rodgers out.

2. I can't speak for Driver, and if he said anything negative about Rodgers that's for him to decide. But I wasn't aware of him being on TV 24/7 spewing out anti Packer propaganda.

 

[Quientus]

1. Are you referring to Winston Moss? He was talking about the whole team not singling Rodgers out.

2. I can't speak for Driver, and if he said anything negative about Rodgers that's for him to decide. But I wasn't aware of him being on TV 24/7 spewing out anti Packer propaganda.

1)
http://m.startribune.com/packers-fire-winston-moss-hours-after-tweet-about-aaron-rodgers/501966932/

Yeah, definitely Not singling out Rodgers ... LOL

(Prime example of one who doesnt bother to read before denying)

2)
What anti-Packers propaganda ??? Neither Driver, Jennings nor Finley or The others have Said anything negative about The Packers organisation ... hell they havent even been overtly critical of Rodgers in general, *only* about his (Rodgers’) leadership qualities (or lack thereof)

Seriously, would you people bother to actually read what is being (Said) written, before you start dismissing something as being anti- Rodgers (or anti Packers) ???

 

[longtimefan]

Are you serious ? The last person to Call out Rodgers on The record, Got fired The Day after ...

Most journalists promise anonymity to Their sources, Else they wouldnt get information ... Basically your saying Dunne took months writing that article based only on 2 sources ... LOL - I wonder how he could still have a job then ...

I guess Donald Driver must be a very bitter ex-Packer too ???

U just love to nail Rodgers even if it's stretch of the truth


Read the entire tweet.. Then the bold parts I quoted

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https://packerswire.usatoday.com/20...ers-has-been-the-head-coach-the-last-9-years/

Moss said his tweet from Tuesday – which appeared to slam Mike McCarthy and call for more accountability for Rodgers inside the Packers locker room – wasn’t directed at the organization and was instead intended for fans.

He explained he was attempting to provide an opinion to fans and didn’t regret sending the tweet, despite it playing a factor in his departure from the Packers this week.

Moss also downplayed a deteriorating relationship between McCarthy and Rodgers, calling it a “dynamic duo” that worked for many years, but he also joked Rodgers “has been the coach the last nine years.”

Asked if Rodgers should have a say in the next coach, Moss said the team should listen to his input but make the decision independent of Rodgers’ wishes.

Later, Moss admitted an over-reliance on Rodgers might have infiltrated the franchise and blamed injuries and changes in personnel for some of the struggles on defense.

Late in the segment, Moss put his two championship rings on the table and noted the need for defense and a better overall team to achieve success.[/QUOTE]

 

[longtimefan]

1)
http://m.startribune.com/packers-fire-winston-moss-hours-after-tweet-about-aaron-rodgers/501966932/

Yeah, definitely Not singling out Rodgers ... LOL

(Prime example of one who doesnt bother to read before denying)

2)
What anti-Packers propaganda ??? Neither Driver, Jennings nor Finley or The others have Said anything negative about The Packers organisation ... hell they havent even been overtly critical of Rodgers in general, *only* about his (Rodgers’) leadership qualities (or lack thereof)

Seriously, would you people bother to actually read what is being (Said) written, before you start dismissing something as being anti- Rodgers (or anti Packers) ???

As I posted . Moss says TEAM

But anything to bring you from your Favre jammies and bash Rodgers will do.

Ffs

Why don't you read **** as well. Moss says everybody along with Rodgers

 

[Quientus]

As I posted . Moss says TEAM

But anything to bring you from your Favre jammies and bash Rodgers will do.

Ffs

Why don't you read **** as well. Moss says everybody along with Rodgers

Oh I do read, as you very well know .... I’m also well Aware that Moss Said team aswell, however it is clear that Moss do believe there are issues with #12 As I know you Will agree on.

FFs

I know you are more into Rodgers than Favre, which is fine, I just wouldnt have pegged you as being an ostridge (sp.?) in that regard now aswell ...

FtloGJC !

Why are you leaving out commenting on what Driver Said

 

[longtimefan]

Oh I do read, as you very well know .... I’m also well Aware that Moss Said team aswell, however it is clear that Moss do believe there are issues with #12 As I know you Will agree on.

FFs

I know you are more into Rodgers than Favre, which is fine, I just wouldnt have pegged you as being an ostridge (sp.?) in that regard now aswell ...

FtloGJC !

Why are you leaving out commenting on what Driver Said

I never heard his comment. You didn't post it. What was it?

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Oh I do read, as you very well know .... I’m also well Aware that Moss Said team aswell, however it is clear that Moss do believe there are issues with #12 As I know you Will agree on.

FFs

I know you are more into Rodgers than Favre, which is fine, I just wouldnt have pegged you as being an ostridge (sp.?) in that regard now aswell ...

FtloGJC !

Why are you leaving out commenting on what Driver Said

1. Favre has nothing to do with any of this and is a red herring to this entire discussion

2. I don't get what your point about Driver is anyway. Was he not happy about Rodgers joke on Jennings? If so, that's fine, I don't have a problem with that. That's not the same as using the airwaves to push an anti GB agenda which is what Jennings uses it to do.

 

[Quientus]

1. Favre has nothing to do with any of this and is a red herring to this entire discussion

2. I don't get what your point about Driver is anyway. Was he not happy about Rodgers joke on Jennings? If so, that's fine, I don't have a problem with that. That's not the same as using the airwaves to push an anti GB agenda which is what Jennings uses it to do.

1) Again ... you didnt read before you replied ... I was answering LTF ... and I Think it went over your head ?

2) Yet again ... Jennings, Finley, Driver, Sharpe, etc. Are *NOT* being anti GB, they arent even anti Rodgers (!!!), however they are questioning Rodgers’ leadership qualities ...

Questioning someones abilities as a Leader doesnt make Them anti Packers ...

 

[longtimefan]

1. Favre has nothing to do with any of this and is a red herring to this entire discussion

2. I don't get what your point about Driver is anyway. Was he not happy about Rodgers joke on Jennings? If so, that's fine, I don't have a problem with that. That's not the same as using the airwaves to push an anti GB agenda which is what Jennings uses it to do.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...river-sheds-light-on-aaron-rodgers-leadership

Sometimes you ask Aaron to take the pressure off the guys so we won't look bad, but he didn't want to do that. He felt like if you did something bad, you do it. But I think that's the difference. You want that leadership, and I think sometimes you may not feel like you got it. You have to earn that respect at the end of the day, and I think that's what Greg was probably referring to."

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...river-sheds-light-on-aaron-rodgers-leadership

Good article and I think Driver is actually pretty neutral there, plus overall he's been quiet since retiring.

I guess Donald Driver must be a very bitter ex-Packer too ???

Only person suggesting such a thing is you

 

[Quientus]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...river-sheds-light-on-aaron-rodgers-leadership

You forgot The last part;

Driver went on to say Rodgers is a "great guy" and a friend, but his comments tell us something about the relationship between the Packers' receivers and their quarterback. Everyone on a football team doesn't have to be best buddies. There is no right or wrong here. Every quarterback, every pro athlete has an ego. Still, it's fair to say Driver's comments show there were some disagreements about Rodgers' leadership style.

"I saw when he first got drafted, he came in with a chip on his shoulder, saying that he should have been the first pick in that draft, that it shouldn't have been Alex Smith," Driver relayed. "But that's the way the guy is, and I think the thing is, I've always told Aaron this, 'Don't forget where you come from because the people are the ones who put you on that pedestal. You didn't put yourself there.' And I think that's what he's learning now.

"I'm not saying Aaron is a bad guy. I think he's a great guy. I'm friends with Aaron, and we have a great relationship. But outside of that, he's going to play the game the way he's always played it."


- because We know that some people probably wont read The link provided

 

[longtimefan]

You forgot The last part;

Driver went on to say Rodgers is a "great guy" and a friend, but his comments tell us something about the relationship between the Packers' receivers and their quarterback. Everyone on a football team doesn't have to be best buddies. There is no right or wrong here. Every quarterback, every pro athlete has an ego. Still, it's fair to say Driver's comments show there were some disagreements about Rodgers' leadership style.

"I saw when he first got drafted, he came in with a chip on his shoulder, saying that he should have been the first pick in that draft, that it shouldn't have been Alex Smith," Driver relayed. "But that's the way the guy is, and I think the thing is, I've always told Aaron this, 'Don't forget where you come from because the people are the ones who put you on that pedestal. You didn't put yourself there.' And I think that's what he's learning now.

"I'm not saying Aaron is a bad guy. I think he's a great guy. I'm friends with Aaron, and we have a great relationship. But outside of that, he's going to play the game the way he's always played it."


- because We know that some people probably wont read The link provided

But driver is speculating Jennings thought that way..

Driver didnt say HE PERSONALLY thought that way..

Correct?

So if true, thrn driver still didn't say something bad towards Rodgers

Lol

 

[Quientus]

But driver is speculating Jennings thought that way..

Driver didnt say HE PERSONALLY thought that way..

Correct?

So if true, thrn driver still didn't say something bad towards Rodgers

Lol

Driver has too much Class to say it directly, however, in The last part, Driver clearly talks about Rodgers, all though very tactfully ...

Most others who Saw The clip agrees on that ... And I Think you do too, allrhough you’ll say that

“Somebody must have told Aaron he was brought in to replace Brett, because that’s how he acted,” said Najeh Davenport, the veteran running back. “Maybe his agent or someone convinced him he was important, but he walked around like he was the next best thing.”

Rodgers made it a point to sit in the front row of team meetings, and raise his hand to answer every question from the coaches. He was smart and studious, and it all went over like a bowl of maggot-coated Fruit Loops. Eventually, Driver, the veteran receiver and Favre’s close friend, pulled the youngster aside and said, bluntly, “Aaron, we get it. You’re smart. Now shut the **** up.”

Rodgers listened to Driver—for all of four seconds. During drills, he refused to let a play end sans resolution. Were he, for example, flushed from the pocket, a coach might blow the whistle for a re-start. Rodgers, though, kept moving, kept running, kept looking. “He was super competitive, and he would not let the defense win,” said Ruvell Martin, a rookie wide receiver from Saginaw Valley State. “He didn’t care that it was just the scout team. He wanted to win whether it was polite or not.” Oftentimes, after completing a pass against the defense in practice, Rodgers let loose an inane celebratory dance, where he would slide his right foot forward while pretending to roll a dice with his right hand. After enough gazes of disbelief from Favre and Co., Bevell pulled the kid aside and said, “You’ve been on the football field before. Act like it.”

 

[longtimefan]

Driver has too much Class to say it directly, however, in The last part, Driver clearly talks about Rodgers, all though very tactfully ...

Most others who Saw The clip agrees on that ... And I Think you do too, allrhough you’ll say that

Driver didn't say it.. He said Jennings did..

 

[GreenNGold_81]

Driver didn't say it.. He said Jennings did..

I think at this point it's like either you believe what's written here in this thread is true, or you don't. There's obviously several posters here that will just simply not believe this stuff. We've laid out articles and quotes, at the end of the day Aaron will still be the QB for this team and most people will give him a free pass because of that (Jennings point). We're seeing it with the second-guessing of sources, arguing how a point is being argued rather than what's stated, and blatantly referring to our concerns as dumb and a waste of time. I've said it before in this thread, with another losing season I think we see more things come out. Obviously, I hope that doesn't happen. The other important thing to mention is that though we're critical here of Rodgers, we're (at least I assume with you) still fans of this team, players, coaches and history.

I'm ready to move on to analyzing this draft class. Queue the inevitable "thank GOD" or "what a waste of time" posts.

 

[rmontro]

But driver is speculating Jennings thought that way..

Driver didnt say HE PERSONALLY thought that way.

Driver's comments are his own. He's explaining how he sees Rodgers' leadership and personality, in response to what Jennings has said. He takes a very diplomatic approach, you can see he's trying to be neutral, to take the road somewhere between the two extreme viewpoints.

He acknowledges Rodgers' style might not be ideal, but he stops short of saying it is actually "bad". For example, he says Rodgers won't take the blame when a receiver runs the wrong route. There are some QBs who will stand up at the presser and put it on their own shoulders, and take responsibility for whatever might happen, because they are the field leader out there. I have to admire that approach, but I'm not going to tell Rodgers that's what he has to do, because he has his own approach.

So I think at the end of the day, Rodgers is human, and humans are flawed. I really don't care, I don't expect him to be some sort of humanitarian, I just want them to win football games.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

I think at this point it's like either you believe what's written here in this thread is true, or you don't. There's obviously several posters here that will just simply not believe this stuff. We've laid out articles and quotes, at the end of the day Aaron will still be the QB for this team and most people will give him a free pass because of that (Jennings point). We're seeing it with the second-guessing of sources, arguing how a point is being argued rather than what's stated, and blatantly referring to our concerns as dumb and a waste of time. I've said it before in this thread, with another losing season I think we see more things come out. Obviously, I hope that doesn't happen. The other important thing to mention is that though we're critical here of Rodgers, we're (at least I assume with you) still fans of this team, players, coaches and history.

I'm ready to move on to analyzing this draft class. Queue the inevitable "thank GOD" or "what a waste of time" posts.

It's because as we've pointed out many times, you have people like James Jones, John Kuhn and even HaHa Clinton Dix among many others who came out and called out Bleacher Report for that article. I think named sources like these guys have a lot more weight than these so-called unnamed sources who nobody has any idea who they are. You might assume they're whistle blowers but you sure as hell don't know that.

 

[rmontro]

It's because as we've pointed out many times, you have people like James Jones, John Kuhn and even HaHa Clinton Dix among many others who came out and called out Bleacher Report for that article.

I happen to think the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
But maybe guys like Jones and Kuhn felt more positive toward Rodgers because they were part of his accepted circle? I don't doubt that there are two sides to this story. Given Dunne's position, I don't know why people would doubt that he has sources in the Packers organization.

I just don't think the story in The Bleacher Report is all that big of a deal. Nobody's wife or kid is getting battered. There are no drugs or steroids being used. There is no ****** harassment or crimes being committed. There are no accusations of racism. Nobody is getting murdered. For someone writing a hit piece, the accusations seem to be pretty mild. McCarthy likes getting a massage. Not everyone thinks Rodgers is the nicest guy on the planet. So what?

Seriously, so what? We knew there were problems, we could see them on the football field. The article just added a few details. Mild details at that. I bet you could find juicier stories in most offices across America.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

I happen to think the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
But maybe guys like Jones and Kuhn felt more positive toward Rodgers because they were part of his accepted circle? I don't doubt that there are two sides to this story. Given Dunne's position, I don't know why people would doubt that he has sources in the Packers organization.

I just don't think the story in The Bleacher Report is all that big of a deal. Nobody's wife or kid is getting battered. There are no drugs or steroids being used. There is no ****** harassment or crimes being committed. There are no accusations of racism. Nobody is getting murdered. For someone writing a hit piece, the accusations seem to be pretty mild. McCarthy likes getting a massage. Not everyone thinks Rodgers is the nicest guy on the planet. So what?

Seriously, so what? We knew there were problems, we could see them on the football field. The article just added a few details. Mild details at that. I bet you could find juicier stories in most offices across America.

As I mentioned a few posts back, obviously yes there are nuggets of truth in the article, but there definitely is fiction in there too and when you mix both together, it can get pretty convoluted.

And let's not pretend that there aren't some pretty bad sports journalists even in major media centers like ESPN and Sports Illustrated. Usually I find the news pieces there separate from opinion, but there are definitely articles where that is not the case.

 

[Do7]

2016? Says 2012, so my apologies.

Still nothing new or mind blowing to me. This is beginning to feel like people are reaching for anything to try and justify things that aren't that damning to begin with.

*goes back to the draft*

Pretty much.

My “**** poor” arguments ? - Please

My arguments havent been shredded, quite The contrary. You and others just continue to either ignore or deny/dismiss anything negative about Rodgers.

There have been countless of articles posted and quoted ad nauseam, yet you still ignore and/or deny Any argument that you dont agree with, let alone bother to even read those arguments and linked articles, or again just flat out dismiss them, solely because they dont fit into your naive dreamworld, in which Rodgers Can do no wrong and is never to blame for anything ... talk about being deluded ? LOL - please ...

What is a fact, however, is that Rodgers demeanor, onfield attitude and leadership has been questioned time and again ever since 2012 ... by numerous people, even in 2005 at The draft there were several rumours about those and speculations that it was also a Factor in why Rodgers slid so far Down ...

You are so full of it, it honestly amazes me at this point that you insist on keeping this charade up. Several people including myself have called you out on your b.s arguments and reducing them to moot.

Again most of those articles have use Finley or Jennings as a source. Granted there are some you'll try to use like for example you TRY to do with Driver and Janis, but

A. Driver didn't say anything damning towards Rodgers simply he holds people accountable like any good LEADER should. It's not like Rodgers deflects blame on to others

B. Janis said Rodgers was ******* him, but it helped him to become better.

Only guys like yourself likes to take what was said out of context and see it as negative simply because let's face it, You don't like Rodgers. Just go ahead and just fess up at this point. Almost every time I see you post, (even @longtimefan called you out on this too) it's a thread regarding Rodgers, and every single freaking time it's something negative or criticizing him on some way.

On top of that how has any of this affected us winning football games? Answer me that, why don't you.

I initially thought @gbgary was someone who simply didn't like Rodgers, but unlike you, he managed to bring up decent points in which I can see where he makes a solid argument. Plus he will defend Rodgers as well. He is an OBJECTIVE critic, unlike yourself.

It's funny how you consider us "blind witnesses" as Skip Bayless would say, and act as if we believe Rodgers can do no wrong, when we've ALL have been critical of Rodgers in the past. So THAT is why I say your arguments are **** poor. I've have demonstrated and proved to you where I've criticized Rodgers, but you disregard it. I DARE you to deny this.
You're like the equivalent to Skip Bayless, especially how you gaga over Brady and crap on Rodgers every second you get, more so on the latter.

 

[rmontro]

As I mentioned a few posts back, obviously yes there are nuggets of truth in the article, but there definitely is fiction in there too and when you mix both together, it can get pretty convoluted.

I think the conclusions the author comes to in the article are harsher than the reality. But if he was going to straight up lie and make up stuff, why come up with this bland stuff? There's nothing here that's really that shocking. There are no NFL regulations being violated, no hint of scandal. No one paying for prostitutes, no one cheating on their wives. Just some personality conflicts and complacency.

As a football fan, I'd be more concerned with the complacency. But the house has been cleaned, we're under new management, so as far as I'm concerned it's all water under the bridge. Personality conflicts, you will find them everywhere. I just don't care about them. Rodgers isn't going to please everybody all of the time.

 

[Quientus]

Pretty much.


You are so full of it, it honestly amazes me at this point that you insist on keeping this charade up. Several people including myself have called you out on your b.s arguments and reducing them to moot.

Again most of those articles have use Finley or Jennings as a source. Granted there are some you'll try to use like for example you TRY to do with Driver and Janis, but

A. Driver didn't say anything damning towards Rodgers simply he holds people accountable like any good LEADER should. It's not like Rodgers deflects blame on to others

B. Janis said Rodgers was ******* him, but it helped him to become better.

Only guys like yourself likes to take what was said out of context and see it as negative simply because let's face it, You don't like Rodgers. Just go ahead and just fess up at this point. Almost every time I see you post, (even @longtimefan called you out on this too) it's a thread regarding Rodgers, and every single freaking time it's something negative or criticizing him on some way.

On top of that how has any of this affected us winning football games? Answer me that, why don't you.

I initially thought @gbgary was someone who simply didn't like Rodgers, but unlike you, he managed to bring up decent points in which I can see where he makes a solid argument. Plus he will defend Rodgers as well. He is an OBJECTIVE critic, unlike yourself.

It's funny how you consider us "blind witnesses" as Skip Bayless would say, and act as if we believe Rodgers can do no wrong, when we've ALL have been critical of Rodgers in the past. So THAT is why I say your arguments are **** poor. I've have demonstrated and proved to you where I've criticized Rodgers, but you disregard it. I DARE you to deny this.
You're like the equivalent to Skip Bayless, especially how you gaga over Brady and crap on Rodgers every second you get, more so on the latter.

A) Driver did in fact allude to Rodgers leadership qualities ... most objective persons Can see this ... again its all over The web ...

And again ... it does show something about Rodgers leadership qualities ...

B) I am curious ... you dismiss what other team mates have Said, you pretty much again dismiss those arguments, yet in The same breath use Janis, simply because Janis wasnt critical ... There have been others who have been critical of Rodgers, who are NOT Jennings, Finley etc ...

C) It Cant be proved perce, but when your Leader is subpar it most likely does affect an end result, and Rodgers disregarding play calls most likely have cost The Packers some games ...

D) I dont watch Skip Bayless, as I dont really pay attention to him.

E) I have *always* seen Brady more as a result of Belichick than vice versa, but I do acknowledge that Brady is 10X The Leader than Rodgers Can ever hope to be ...

F) I’ve Said time an again, had Rodgers been another Player (position) how Rodgers behaves and his attitude wouldnt be that of a Big deal, however, being a Leader that isnt an attitude that inspires, nor commands respect. As a (good) Leader, you have rise above **** like that and Lead by example. A good leader is also humble, something Rodgers has NEVER been ....

E) I Think I’ve seen 2 posts from you were you have been slightly critical of Rodgers, but only partially, as you again didnt really hold him accountable. With you its always something Else ..., because Rodgers in your mind is never to blame for anything ... - you’re like a lemming when it comes to Rodgers ...

 

[rmontro]

It Cant be proved perce, but when your Leader is subpar it most likely does affect an end result, and Rodgers disregarding play calls most likely have cost The Packers some games ...

Rodgers had permission to change the plays though, and from the sound of it that's not an unusual arrangement with quarterbacks in the NFL. I recall Favre talking about changing plays also. So I'm not sure why this is an issue exactly? I guess the claim is that he started to change the plays more often in recent years?

Maybe some of his play changes hurt the Packers in the game, but maybe some of them helped too. I don't think there's any way to say for sure. But I'd say the real issue with GB the last few years has been lack of talent.

I don't know if I would call Rodgers a subpar leader. I agree he's probably not a 10 out of 10.