Aaron Jones to IR

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He is a nice complimentary back that adds a nice change of pace and can explode on defenses if pass game is working.

He is not however a 20+ carry bell cow line up and smash type back. We need to add another RB to the mix.

The Packers do NOT need a smash type back; I'm not sure Jones' injury "proves" anything about his ability to be a feature back. Philip Lindsay is smaller than Jones and he didn't get hurt. Injuries happen in the NFL, sometimes they mean something and sometimes they don't. Keenan Allen has been more injury-prone than Jones, does that mean the Chargers should make him a part time receiver?

Should another guy be brought in that can take 7-10 touches a game? Sure, but suddenly leaping to the conclusion that one of the best running backs in the NFL should be relegated to third down duty because of a sprained MCL seems a little overboard.
 

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While some might see it as overboard, 2 seasons in a row after an increase in load to about 20 touches a game for 4-5 weeks in a row and he’s 2 for 2 in sprained MCLs, it isn’t exactly a testament to his durability
 

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The Packers do NOT need a smash type back; I'm not sure Jones' injury "proves" anything about his ability to be a feature back. Philip Lindsay is smaller than Jones and he didn't get hurt. Injuries happen in the NFL, sometimes they mean something and sometimes they don't. Keenan Allen has been more injury-prone than Jones, does that mean the Chargers should make him a part time receiver?

Should another guy be brought in that can take 7-10 touches a game? Sure, but suddenly leaping to the conclusion that one of the best running backs in the NFL should be relegated to third down duty because of a sprained MCL seems a little overboard.

I never said "3rd down duty". The fact is he has been hurt and nicked up alot. He isnt the best blocker in the world either and has been a liability sometimes on pass downs. Don't get me wrong I like Aaron Jones but would like the Packers to get a Chris Carson type to move the chains on 3rd and short.
 

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Aaron Jones needs to be at around 10-14 touches a game. I have a real hard time believing he would even hold up half a season with a bigger work load.
 

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Agreed, we need a thunder and lightning approach or we need another back similar to Jones in case one or the other goes down.
 

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The Packers do NOT need a smash type back; I'm not sure Jones' injury "proves" anything about his ability to be a feature back. Philip Lindsay is smaller than Jones and he didn't get hurt. Injuries happen in the NFL, sometimes they mean something and sometimes they don't. Keenan Allen has been more injury-prone than Jones, does that mean the Chargers should make him a part time receiver?

Should another guy be brought in that can take 7-10 touches a game? Sure, but suddenly leaping to the conclusion that one of the best running backs in the NFL should be relegated to third down duty because of a sprained MCL seems a little overboard.
I think calling him one of the best running backs in the NFL might be overboard as well... please don’t bother quoting his yards per carry average at me until he can find a way to stay on the field.
 

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Agreed, we need a thunder and lightning approach or we need another back similar to Jones in case one or the other goes down.

LJ Scott would be worth our second. He is a horse and would fit nicely.

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I think calling him one of the best running backs in the NFL might be overboard as well... please don’t bother quoting his yards per carry average at me until he can find a way to stay on the field.
agreed and while I hate to compare Jones with Monty, there were a lot of people touting Monty's Yards/carry too quick. I hope we finally found a decent back in Jones, but I am still cautiously optimistic until he has a full season of playing well/
 

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agreed and while I hate to compare Jones with Monty, there were a lot of people touting Monty's Yards/carry too quick. I hope we finally found a decent back in Jones, but I am still cautiously optimistic until he has a full season of playing well/

Add a RB to the list of things to get too re-vamp this offense. Jones can be productive in certain situations but we need a guy to grind it out. I'm fine with Williams as the 3. Were just gonna have to keep Jimmie Graham at TE cause of.the dead $ and more pressing wholes to fill elseware

Thompson really left this offense dry on talemt. That's for sure.
 

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What's funny is everyone was mad at McCarthy for not using Jones more and then Philbin does and he gets hurt. Maybe McCarthy knew what he had.
 

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I'd say it's whether one feels it's better to play the guy and see if he can hold up, chancing that he'll get hurt and not be available, or not using him in the first place and guaranteeing that he's not available.
 

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I'd say it's whether one feels it's better to play the guy and see if he can hold up, chancing that he'll get hurt and not be available, or not using him in the first place and guaranteeing that he's not available.
Or use him situations to maximize his explosiveness without exposing him to unnecessary grind of an every down RB when that's not his strength.
 

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So, bet that the few times you'll use him will work? And that the others guys won't load up to stop him on those occasions?
 

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Aaron Jones needs to be at around 10-14 touches a game. I have a real hard time believing he would even hold up half a season with a bigger work load.
I said the same at the beginning of the season when people here were screaming for Jones to get 20-25 touches a game and belittling Williams. Some people here seem to think this is all video/fantasy football. It was very clear to me that the message being sent was we are still a passing oriented offense. In a run dominated offense you have a fullback and a good blocking tight end as your starter. Graham would have been a specialty role player. You’d also have bigger road grading guards. Jones was a guy they wanted to still have relatively fresh legs for the playoff run. The passing game failed us this year, not the run game. For a passing oriented offense, we have a very effective run game to supplement this current offensive scheme.
 

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Plenty of guys have made careers out of being a situational player in this league. Especially in the past 20-30 years in the age of specialization. Is it something that even needs to be pointed out to anyone that has been watching?
 

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Thought we were talking about his value to the team, not to his career. In that case, there's a whole lot less discussion necessary. I've been upset about specialization since they went to different guys on offense and defense. When position players stopped kicking, the downhill slide began. :)
 

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Plenty of guys have made careers out of being a situational player in this league. Especially in the past 20-30 years in the age of specialization. Is it something that even needs to be pointed out to anyone that has been watching?
Agree, most NFL running backs are situational players. They’ve become role players.
 

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O actually don’t know what you’re talking about. I thought your stance was he couldn’t be used in a limited role situational player because teams would just load up and stop him? To which I replied people have been using players like Jones in exactly that limited snap, situational role player mode with succees for at least 3 decades.
 

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As far as pure running backs go, I think Jones and Williams are a good fit for the Packers. What I would like to see them find is a James White kind of guy. He can line up just about anywhere and offers versatility. I think the Packers hoped that was what they had in Monty.

Whites Stats for 2018 thus far:

Receiving:

114 targets 81 receptions 699 yards and 6 TD's

Rushing:

82 carries 354 yards 4 TD's
 

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What's funny is everyone was mad at McCarthy for not using Jones more and then Philbin does and he gets hurt. Maybe McCarthy knew what he had.

I don't think Philbin really used him any more than McCarthy. From the Rams game on his touches were 14,16,18,16,20,16,20,4

Or use him situations to maximize his explosiveness without exposing him to unnecessary grind of an every down RB when that's not his strength.
So, bet that the few times you'll use him will work? And that the others guys won't load up to stop him on those occasions?
Plenty of guys have made careers out of being a situational player in this league. Especially in the past 20-30 years in the age of specialization. Is it something that even needs to be pointed out to anyone that has been watching?

Situational players are great because you can play to their strengths but the problem is it also tips your hand to some extent. Its third and three and you pull a guy who just might be able to run for three yards and bring in another guy who is a great blocker but never carries the ball and the defense gets a pretty good idea what is going to happen. That's where you need a play caller who is will in g to mix it up and give the blocker the ball on occasion.

Thought we were talking about his value to the team, not to his career. In that case, there's a whole lot less discussion necessary. I've been upset about specialization since they went to different guys on offense and defense. When position players stopped kicking, the downhill slide began. :)

And I though I was old.

As far as pure running backs go, I think Jones and Williams are a good fit for the Packers. What I would like to see them find is a James White kind of guy. He can line up just about anywhere and offers versatility. I think the Packers hoped that was what they had in Monty.

Whites Stats for 2018 thus far:
Receiving:
114 targets 81 receptions 699 yards and 6 TD's
Rushing:
82 carries 354 yards 4 TD's

Given the WR situation maybe they need a guy who can be a #1 RB and a #2 WR who doesn't want to paid like both of them.
 

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Given the WR situation maybe they need a guy who can be a #1 RB and a #2 WR who doesn't want to paid like both of them.

Exactly, with the WR situation as it currently is in Green Bay, a versatile RB is even more important. James White is a bargain at $4M/year. I haven't really started "scouting" college players, but guessing there are a few players similar to him. They are tough to obtain in the Free Agent market at a decent price. If White was a FA this year, I think he commands more than what the Patriots are paying him over the next 2 years.
 
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