Aaron Jones on this team

[longtimefan]

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[OldSchool101]

I still believe that a group of good athletes who play for each other can accomplish great things. Some people think that’s old fashioned, but this team is about the team.

Reed, when asked recently, said he was super happy for Doubs even though at his own statistical expense. He himself says this team wants each other to experience success in each Win. He was very intentional about his feelings for his teammate being one of joy.

I had also heard the young receivers blocking for Jones on a TD told him verbally that they loved blocking for him while in their post TD celebration. That’s really quite selfless and one of the most inspiring and impressive things I’ve heard this season.

The true difference in 2023 is the X factor “team center attitude”. In the recent past it was more like we had guys (or small groups of alliances) trying to achieve individual goals. Kind of me against them or “I'm the man” and I don’t hear that sentiment anymore. Matt has made this about team and so much he even gave the gameball to his entire team last week and that was 100% intentional. I think he himself was truly surprised and impressed with how they “went to battle” as a family and rose up against adversity. You can’t teach that part but you can sure reward it and acknowledge her.

Not to mention this. Once your commitment level to your Employer is lost, it sure makes it hard to inspire others or reach your potential. That’s how I saw the 2022 Packers. I’d rather choose the 2023 Packers over the 2022 version regardless of a great QB. This group has made it fun to watch football again. It’s what football should be

 

[PikeBadger]

Agree. It's been very exciting watching this team grow together with so many of the guys having really excellent games. We're loaded with fun new tools in the toolbox!

 

[AmishMafia]

The eye test really validates Jones' comments. Team is playing with a new energy and is having 'fun'. Took a bit for all the newbies to gel, but now we are clicking and the sky is the limit.

 

[tynimiller]

I’ve said it though before, it is VERY easy as all are at the same rookie contract points of their career now…once money future starts becoming a factor things can change.

I pray it doesn’t because there is something seriously brewing here.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Sounds like AJ could still be in Minnyshiitty next season. Not a done deal, but it was reported today that:

"The Vikings and RB Aaron Jones agreed to move the void date on his contract from this Monday until the final day before free agency. If Jones had not been extended by Monday, the team would have taken on $3.2M in dead money in 2025. This expands the window for Jones and Minnesota to continue to negotiate a new deal that would avoid that amount hitting the cap in full for 2025.It doesn’t guarantee a new deal will be reached, but it buys time for both sides if there is interest in hammering one out before free agency."

 

[Pugger]

With the play of Jacobs and his backups I suspect Jones will either stay in MN or go elsewhere. He's a fine RB but on the wrong side of 30 ( and was the reason we let him walk last year).

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

With the play of Jacobs and his backups I suspect Jones will either stay in MN or go elsewhere. He's a fine RB but on the wrong side of 30 ( and was the reason we let him walk last year).

As much as I would love to see AJ come back to GB, which would give the Packers a potent 1-2 punch at RB, I don't see it happening either. Not because he is on the wrong side of 30, but I think he is going to cash in on his big year with the Vikings. He had over 1500 yards, 1138 rushing and 408 receiving. That lines him up for a nice pay day IMO.

Given the impact that all the top FA RB's had for their new teams in 2024, I think Jones is going to get paid, it just won't be by the Packers.

 

[gopkrs]

We drafted Lloyd high. As long as his injury does not affect him this coming year; our running back stable is very good and can't see us taking a RB in the draft. At least I don't know why we would.

 

[lambeaulambo]

Who needs a shifty rb...hmm...bears..

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

We drafted Lloyd high. As long as his injury does not affect him this coming year; our running back stable is very good and can't see us taking a RB in the draft. At least I don't know why we would.

As far as Lloyd goes, I hope he has a great NFL career, but as we have seen from a lot of Gute's 3rd round picks, where he was picked doesn't guarantee much. To me, Lloyd will basically be a rookie entering 2025, the Packers shouldn't rely on him to be a productive back. That said, I do like Emanuel Wilson and even Chris Brooks, but there is no doubt in my mind that Aaron Jones is a much better running back than either of them.

 

[gopkrs]

Also, Lloyd was the first RB to go in the draft. If our guys can't draft that right... But I would like to see Aaron Jones back. Just don't see it happening

 

[AmishMafia]

Also, Lloyd was the first RB to go in the draft. If our guys can't draft that right... But I would like to see Aaron Jones back. Just don't see it happening

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Lloyd was the 4th RB taken.

Jonathan Brooks
Trey Benson
Blake Corum

All went before Lloyd.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

???

Lloyd was the 4th RB taken.

Jonathan Brooks
Trey Benson
Blake Corum

All went before Lloyd.

Yup

Gute and others also passed on Bucky Irving. TB drafted him with the 25th pick in the 4th round.

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[tynimiller]

The third round curse was over awhile ago.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Not including the 2024 draft, he's batting 33% (2 for 6) in the 3rd round. While I would like to think that Rhyan and Kraft ended the 0 of 4 streak, let's wait and see.

 

[tynimiller]

Not including the 2024 draft, he's batting 33% (2 for 6) in the 3rd round. While I would like to think that Rhyan and Kraft ended the 0 of 4 streak, let's wait and see.

Confused..

Not including the 2024 draft as you desired and only going as far back as you seemed to want to do he's produced:

2023 - Tucker Kraft - has been a starter essentially since the drop, just took time to prove to staff rookie year.
2022 - Sean Rhyan split time sophomore year and third year started all 17 games.
2021 - Amari Rodgers - we all know timed out in GB and struggle continues after us.
2020 - Josiah Deguara - Was a solid role type guy/HBack in the system definitely wasn't an autrocious pick.
2019 - Jace Sternberger - The third round Amari Rodgers before we saw Amari Rodgers...just not an NFL guy
2018 - Oren Burks - every bit of worth the pick, we never figured him out, but dude was identified by the Packers back in 18 as a top 100 guy and they arguably were right.

So I see 3 clear Ws (Kraft, Rhyan, Burks) 2 clear L's (Stern and Rodgers) and Deguara which is arguably both ways.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Confused..

Not including the 2024 draft as you desired and only going as far back as you seemed to want to do he's produced

You and I differ on our expectations for the return on a 3rd round investment.

2020 - Josiah Deguara - Was a solid role type guy/HBack in the system definitely wasn't an autrocious pick.

I know you were high on Josiah, but I never was, nor did his year in Jacksonville change my opinion. I would never use the term "solid" with this guy.

2018 - Oren Burks - every bit of worth the pick, we never figured him out, but dude was identified by the Packers back in 18 as a top 100 guy and they arguably were right.

While it does seem that Burks has carved himself out a career in the NFL, it wasn't as a Packer. An OK special teamer in GB, but a liability on defense. To me, he wasn't a solid investment of a 3rd round pick for the Packers. I'm not a fan that gives a GM credit for drafting a guy that eventually produces, for another team. That tells me 1 of 2 things. Either the coaching in Green Bay is subpar and/or the scouting of said player wasn't good.

At least we agree that both Sternberger and Rodgers were complete and utter whiffs by Gute.

 

[tynimiller]

You and I differ on our expectations for the return on a 3rd round investment.



I know you were high on Josiah, but I never was, nor did his year in Jacksonville change my opinion. I would never use the term "solid" with this guy.



While it does seem that Burks has carved himself out a career in the NFL, it wasn't as a Packer. An OK special teamer in GB, but a liability on defense. To me, he wasn't a solid investment of a 3rd round pick for the Packers. I'm not a fan that gives a GM credit for drafting a guy that eventually produces, for another team. That tells me 1 of 2 things. Either the coaching in Green Bay is subpar and/or the scouting of said player wasn't good.

At least we agree that both Sternberger and Rodgers were complete and utter whiffs by Gute.

oh for sure I think many fans have unrealistic expectations of nearly every round draft pick before day 3…and many even beyond that into Day3

Deguara is the perfect example and is why I’d never argue was a L or a W and gladly concede him as I eluded to. If he had been picked in the 4th the amount of people whose view of him would change would blow many people’s minds. Many even on this board would magically change their opinion.

While we agree on Deguara essentially, Oren absolutely is one we disagree on and he cannot be used as part of the defense of the curse IMO. At worst or best depending on case you have to put him down as a toss up or tie.

 

[Pkrjones]

Who needs a shifty rb...hmm...bears..

Jones needs some semblance of a hole to get through, the Bear's line doesn't make those, yet. De'Andre Swift is similar size/style as Aaron Jones and in '24 only had (1) 100yd rushing game, and (2) 90-99 yd games.

The Bears need to spend picks/$$ on both the O & D line, not a 30+ yr old RB, IMHO.

 

[Pkrjones]

While it does seem that Burks has carved himself out a career in the NFL, it wasn't as a Packer. An OK special teamer in GB, but a liability on defense.

Burks had 25 tackles in the '24-'25 post-season and was a starter on the Super Bowl winning Eagles team. Packers couldn't find a place for him on the D but Oren never gave up and stepped up (hugely) when needed in Philly.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

oh for sure I think many fans have unrealistic expectations of nearly every round draft pick before day 3…and many even beyond that into Day3

While I agree with this, I feel that in the first 3-4 rounds, you need to find guys that make it to a second contract. When I say "make it to", I mean that they are very desirable to resign due to what they did in their first 4 years on the team.

I think what round a player is selected in the draft sets a teams "expectations" of what said player should contribute, to the team, over that 1st contract time period and beyond.

Given the turnover of a roster, I feel very strongly that your round 1-3 guys should be expected to take on a starting role by year 3 or 4 at the latest. Round 4-5 are your solid backups and special teamers. Rounds 6-7 and UDFA's, these are the peripheral guys that can shine, maintain or flame out quickly.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Burks had 25 tackles in the '24-'25 post-season and was a starter on the Super Bowl winning Eagles team. Packers couldn't find a place for him on the D but Oren never gave up and stepped up (hugely) when needed in Philly.

Again, I was only looking at the return on the Packers 3rd round investment. Kudos for Burks for his year in Philly and getting a ring, but when he was in GB, I would say that he was a disappointing 3rd round pick.

 

[Schultz]

Confused..

Not including the 2024 draft as you desired and only going as far back as you seemed to want to do he's produced:

2023 - Tucker Kraft - has been a starter essentially since the drop, just took time to prove to staff rookie year.
2022 - Sean Rhyan split time sophomore year and third year started all 17 games.
2021 - Amari Rodgers - we all know timed out in GB and struggle continues after us.
2020 - Josiah Deguara - Was a solid role type guy/HBack in the system definitely wasn't an autrocious pick.
2019 - Jace Sternberger - The third round Amari Rodgers before we saw Amari Rodgers...just not an NFL guy
2018 - Oren Burks - every bit of worth the pick, we never figured him out, but dude was identified by the Packers back in 18 as a top 100 guy and they arguably were right.

So I see 3 clear Ws (Kraft, Rhyan, Burks) 2 clear L's (Stern and Rodgers) and Deguara which is arguably both ways.

IMO you give Burks a touch too much credit and you give Deguara way too much credit. IMO.

 

[tynimiller]

IMO you give Burks a touch too much credit and you give Deguara way too much credit. IMO.

Oh I already conceded Deguara pushes or leans to the failure side of things primarily because he never turned into anything elsewhere.

If you tell me that a 3rd round pick has seen multiple contracts and contributed to those teams, that's not a failure IMO EVER. Again, though as I've admitted there is typically only about 10-30 prospects that I absolutely unequivocally expect to come in day 1 and be a starter...there is maybe an additional 15-40 a year that I would hold to the line of betting they ought to start in year 2 for a team....after that the variance year to year in a draft becomes immense and it really isn't fair in my opinion to have massive expectations for a guy with any sort of real confidence (that is the key). Sure we'd all love to say every 3rd rounder should absolutely be a starter for a team in their rookie deal...but I'd also love to say that a guy with a gut rather than a six pack is attractive - all the saying in the world doesn't make it so. LOL

At worst I concede Burks might be a push, but that young man (actually he's not that young anymore relative to NFL terms) has when deployed in SF for two years and especially this last year in PHI has excelled and I'm talking defensively not teams. He's always been a blessing to have for teams play but that man was literally one of the best defenders on the field in the SB and had been multiple times in the season as well in 2024 for the Eagles.

In truth, if I'm Gute and would like to potentially bolster my off ball LB corps Burks might be a decent target for a depth/potential athletic fill in guy...he'll be 30 by season, is a UFA and looking to compete no doubt again. I also could see the Eagles for all the losses especially in the trenches they might face, could resign him to a decent 2 or 3 year deal with really only one or two years of commitment.