A.J. Hawk released.

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I agree with the general sentiment here not wanting Hawk back.

It's still better to have Clay Matthews at ILB than most LBs in the NFL. It's just better to have him at OLB.

Matthews was an upgrade over the other inside linebackers on the Packers roster over the last two seasons but he's for sure not a great player at the position by any means.
 
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Interesting article on Matthews by Micheal Rodney at Packernotes.com. Something I've noticed/wondered about. Says Clay has lost 1/2 a step and some explosiveness rushing off the edge. Gets stoned a lot more the last couple of seasons by 2nd tier OT's and guys he used to dominate.
It's why I wouldn't mind seeing a pass rusher type drafted instead of a big body to clog the run but offers next to nothing in the pass rush.
 

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I agree with the general sentiment here not wanting Hawk back.



Matthews was an upgrade over the other inside linebackers on the Packers roster over the last two seasons but he's for sure not a great player at the position by any means.

I'm not sure where he ended up but I know PFF had him as the #1 ILB around halfway through the season. He also finished 2nd in sacks among ILBS.

I'm fairly confident he was comfortably above average at his position.
 

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Hawk played every week. And was never a "problem" as so many are. I was amazed at how much speed he had his first year and then seemed to slow down. Too much weight training?? I wish him nothing but the best for the rest of his life.
 

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Hawk played every week. And was never a "problem" as so many are. I was amazed at how much speed he had his first year and then seemed to slow down. Too much weight training?? I wish him nothing but the best for the rest of his life.
Good on you, JBlood, for giving A.J. the props he deserves. Hawk ran much better in the early years even though he carried more weight back then. He made a ton of tackles and once he got his hands on ball carriers they stayed tackled. He got lighter later-on but still couldn't salvage enough speed to compensate. More than anything he got older. I can empathize.
 
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Interesting article on Matthews by Micheal Rodney at Packernotes.com. Something I've noticed/wondered about. Says Clay has lost 1/2 a step and some explosiveness rushing off the edge. Gets stoned a lot more the last couple of seasons by 2nd tier OT's and guys he used to dominate.
It's why I wouldn't mind seeing a pass rusher type drafted instead of a big body to clog the run but offers next to nothing in the pass rush.

I would be excited to draft a defensive lineman being able to both stop the run as well as rush the passer. I don´t agree that Matthews has lost half a step though as he looked pretty explosive last season. The Packers for sure benefit from moving him around when getting after the quarterback though.

I'm not sure where he ended up but I know PFF had him as the #1 ILB around halfway through the season. He also finished 2nd in sacks among ILBS.

I'm fairly confident he was comfortably above average at his position.

According to PFF's grades Matthews finished the 2015 season being tied for 40th out of 97 qualified inside linebackers. While that is technically above average it hardly reflects the performance of a great player.
 
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According to PFF's grades Matthews finished the 2015 season being tied for 40th out of 97 qualified inside linebackers. While that is technically above average it hardly reflects the performance of a great player.
How do you grade a player when he's not involved in the play? You don't. How do you grade a guy that should be in the play and isn't? Eye test.
 

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According to my mother's grades, Matthews finished the 2015 season in 1st place out of 1 qualified inside linebacker. She only watches the Packers. :p

Interesting article on Matthews by Micheal Rodney at Packernotes.com. Something I've noticed/wondered about. Says Clay has lost 1/2 a step and some explosiveness rushing off the edge. Gets stoned a lot more the last couple of seasons by 2nd tier OT's and guys he used to dominate.
It's why I wouldn't mind seeing a pass rusher type drafted instead of a big body to clog the run but offers next to nothing in the pass rush.
Matthews' main success early on was his speed. He's had some decent moves and technique, but they were always exemplified by his speed. He's not a big guy, and while he's in my estimation been surprisingly better against the run than I would expect, time and age will catch up with him. Once his speed decreases and he remains on the small side, he will become average pretty quickly. It's sad but a fact of sports. You can never beat Father Time, but you can give him the stiff-arm to gain a few extra yards.
 

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According to my mother's grades, Matthews finished the 2015 season in 1st place out of 1 qualified inside linebacker. She only watches the Packers. :p

Matthews' main success early on was his speed. He's had some decent moves and technique, but they were always exemplified by his speed. He's not a big guy, and while he's in my estimation been surprisingly better against the run than I would expect, time and age will catch up with him. Once his speed decreases and he remains on the small side, he will become average pretty quickly. It's sad but a fact of sports. You can never beat Father Time, but you can give him the stiff-arm to gain a few extra yards.

i think this is not a popular opinion around here
but i feel like you can be more effective playing in the middle as an older player
so tbh, being on the wrong side of 30, i'm perfectly fine with keeping clay in the middle
 

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i think this is not a popular opinion around here
but i feel like you can be more effective playing in the middle as an older player
so tbh, being on the wrong side of 30, i'm perfectly fine with keeping clay in the middle

I'm perfectly fine with moving Clay inside, when he actually stops being productive outside. Then we can also pay him like an ILB. But I don't think his productive days at OLB are over. Shifting him inside once in awhile, isn't a bad thing, but not on a full time basis simply because he is our only option.
 

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The 4th Round is too high for a player to get cut the first year.

Was he not drafted in 14 and cut in 15'? I agree sucks but look back over 4th round picks...I'd guess there are about 10-25% of them from each year's draft that aren't even in the league by the end of their year 2.
 

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Unlike many of you, I actually watch most NFL games besides just packers or NFC north.

He was the primary backup ILB with the bengals last year. Injuries happened and he was thrust into the starting role. (sound familiar?) After a few games (2-3) he was benched in favor of random backup scrub and basically never saw the field again for rest of year.

He was a decent for a few years. His best year was probably his first year in the NFL, and please dont quote tackle stats because he was terrible at making an open field tackle. He is FINISHED, and hasn't even been serviceable since 2012. You think it's a coincidence that the first year after he left the packers defense made dramatic improvement despite adding NO ONE.

You people like him because he looks tough and has a cool name, but in reality he has been overrated all the way back to his Ohio State days. Just let it go, PLEASE!
 

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Interesting article on Matthews by Micheal Rodney at Packernotes.com. Something I've noticed/wondered about. Says Clay has lost 1/2 a step and some explosiveness rushing off the edge. Gets stoned a lot more the last couple of seasons by 2nd tier OT's and guys he used to dominate.
It's why I wouldn't mind seeing a pass rusher type drafted instead of a big body to clog the run but offers next to nothing in the pass rush.

Yeah but is that because he's slower or is it because of his focus on ILB skill work and drills. Odds are he spends less time working on his rush technique.
 
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