A.J. Dillon tests positive for COVID-19 [OP from 11/2020]

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50% is incorrect. The figure who are most opposed to vaccination are around 20%. They're the ones stopping the program from being successful.
There's a reason the death rates in states that supported Trump are higher than other states. I think people should be able to figure that one out pretty easily, considering that the vaccination rates are lowest in those states as well.
I know it freaks some out to read and hear the word "tracker" and "expert opinion" when it comes to Covid. However, this is a pretty good site and map for tracking just how different some states within the U.S. view the vaccine.

 

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Last week unvaccinated I tested positive. I caught Covid from a vaccinated asymptomatic junior high schooler that I was mentoring for the deer hunt. He caught it from his "vaccinated because of his job" father who had shrugged it off as a cold. I did not get it from my dad 14 months ago when he had it. Nor did I get it 10 months ago when I slept every night in the same bed with my wife when she had it. My "vaccinated as soon as he was eligible" 21 year old got it from me. My unvaccinated 28 year old is still symptom free.

Yeah, these experiences are common. That’s because the virtue of the vax is to lessen severity, not prevent transition. Which is why it’s insane that people want them to be mandatory or a condition of employment. If they prevented transmission, that would make sense. But they don’t, so it doesn’t.
 

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There's a reason the death rates in states that supported Trump are higher than other states. I think people should be able to figure that one out pretty easily, considering that the vaccination rates are lowest in those states as well.

Indeed. Because the vaccine lessens severity. But if someone chooses not to get it, it’s themselves they’re putting at risk, not others. That should be their decision.
 

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There's a reason the death rates in states that supported Trump are higher than other states. I think people should be able to figure that one out pretty easily, considering that the vaccination rates are lowest in those states as well.
You could overlay obesity rates from 2019 directly over covid death rates in 2020-21 and they'd look almost identical. You can also look at states with good overall state health prior to Covid, see their high vax rates now, and see there hospitalization rates and case rates aren't all that different from prior to vax availability either.


This is why these "conversations" are pointless. People already know all they need to know.

I'd wager a guess that most of you don't do anything with this yet you know, because someone told you.

Worked on a vaccine brought to market at one point in your life but won't take this one, well obviously anti-science, science denier, ignorant, backwards head in the sand Trump supporter.
 

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Admins close the F'ing thread. Start a Covid thread if you want to debate how long your covid tally whackers are folks. I don't come to the football sections of this forum to discuss covid bs from both sides. I get enough of this everywhere else.
 

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You could overlay obesity rates from 2019 directly over covid death rates in 2020-21 and they'd look almost identical.
Yet I can imagine that if some slick salesman on TV pedaled a shot that would shed 100+ lbs off people who got it, we would be seeing those shots flying off the shelves faster than My Pillows.
 

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Admins close the F'ing thread. Start a Covid thread if you want to debate how long your covid tally whackers are folks. I don't come to the football sections of this forum to discuss covid bs from both sides. I get enough of this everywhere else.
LOL...one of them is posting in it, why would he shut it down?
 

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Because he realizes this doesn't belong here and should be taken elsewhere.
Maybe in the Campbell covid thread like this one?
Explain to me all these side effects guaranteed to to affect people like my wife who had Covid 10 months ago. The only one I've seen is her boss's crappy attitude because my wife tells her to stop being a woose. I had Covid last week and the only lingering effect is I'm back to the drippy nose I had before I caught Covid.
With all due respect, the threads have covid in the title, if people get uncomfortable with the topic, skip the thread. If a Mod is going to post Donald Trump like posts about a very serious topic, I think others that disagree are going to want to post a rebuttal.
 

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Maybe in the Campbell covid thread like this one?

With all due respect, the threads have covid in the title, if people get uncomfortable with the topic, skip the thread. If a Mod is going to post Donald Trump like posts about a very serious topic, I think others that disagree are going to want to post a rebuttal.

Childish off topic comments don't ever deserve childish off topic comments IMO.

The topics are not about Covid in general or beliefs about the virus and such. It is about a specific football player on a team this forum is devouted to landing on the list. Discuss the impacts to the team, potentially their specfic case and how it is hitting them, how it may impact the specific player. No one and I mean no one desires to have a political **** storm break out in a thread discussion which leaves football and solely centers around medical beliefs or political beliefs of either extreme.
 

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Maybe in the Campbell covid thread like this one?

With all due respect, the threads have covid in the title, if people get uncomfortable with the topic, skip the thread. If a Mod is going to post Donald Trump like posts about a very serious topic, I think others that disagree are going to want to post a rebuttal.
these are the exact types of responses we Don't need. Taking a shot with every sentence.
 

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Childish off topic comments don't ever deserve childish off topic comments IMO.

The topics are not about Covid in general or beliefs about the virus and such. It is about a specific football player on a team this forum is devouted to landing on the list. Discuss the impacts to the team, potentially their specfic case and how it is hitting them, how it may impact the specific player. No one and I mean no one desires to have a political **** storm break out in a thread discussion which leaves football and solely centers around medical beliefs or political beliefs of either extreme.
Covid was the issue, not the off shoot of the thread. That's the problem. It's become an integral part of the game this year. It dominated three weeks of Rodgers discussions, and cost the Packers a game they could have won.

You can't sweep reality under the rug so you can always have a Kumbaya moment.

Let's hope that by next year this issue will be dead and buried along with the thousands who will have died between now and then, as we continue to grapple with getting it behind us as much as possible. Reality is reality. It can't be sugar coated.

As for me, I hate the subject to be honest! But I won't let someone say something that I consider untrue go unchallenged.
 

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Childish off topic comments don't ever deserve childish off topic comments IMO.
Those happen whether the topic is Aaron Rodgers, Antonio Brown, Refereeing, etc.

I was merely pointing out to Poppa that he seems to have a double standard when it comes to what he has chastised others for doing.

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these are the exact types of responses we Don't need. Taking a shot with every sentence.
If the conversation makes you uncomfortable, why do you jump into it and try to belittle people over a pretty serious topic, in a thread about Covid no less? Are the facts making you uncomfortable? Then you just couldn't contain yourself from trying to play policeman, you had to inject your own opinion with a post.

Wouldn't you be better off just staying away from the conversations or is it in your DNA that you have to act like the school yard bully and try to put people in their place?
 

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Sure, I haven't injected my opinion on Covid for quite some time. Your post is rich with "belittling" like so many others and then you try and take the high road.

Talking about Covid doesn't make me uncomfortable, not in the least. Keep coming with your passive aggressive shots and think you're the "good guy"
 

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Sure, I haven't injected my opinion on Covid for quite some time. Your post is rich with "belittling" like so many others and then you try and take the high road.
Talking about Covid doesn't make me uncomfortable, not in the least. Keep coming with your passive aggressive shots and think you're the "good guy"
Passive aggressive? That is rich......go back and look at your posts in this thread and then come down off your high throne.

Worse than that is still people that can’t follow instructions my 5 year old can.

Again, this is from a season ago. They’ve asked multiple times in every Covid thread to stop, but some still can’t.

You could overlay obesity rates from 2019 directly over covid death rates in 2020-21 and they'd look almost identical. You can also look at states with good overall state health prior to Covid, see their high vax rates now, and see there hospitalization rates and case rates aren't all that different from prior to vax availability either.


This is why these "conversations" are pointless. People already know all they need to know.

I'd wager a guess that most of you don't do anything with this yet you know, because someone told you.

Worked on a vaccine brought to market at one point in your life but won't take this one, well obviously anti-science, science denier, ignorant, backwards head in the sand Trump supporter.
 

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You could overlay obesity rates from 2019 directly over covid death rates in 2020-21 and they'd look almost identical. You can also look at states with good overall state health prior to Covid, see their high vax rates now, and see there hospitalization rates and case rates aren't all that different from prior to vax availability either.


This is why these "conversations" are pointless. People already know all they need to know.

I'd wager a guess that most of you don't do anything with this yet you know, because someone told you.

Worked on a vaccine brought to market at one point in your life but won't take this one, well obviously anti-science, science denier, ignorant, backwards head in the sand Trump supporter.

Considering that the stats related to the anti-vaxxers point heavily in the direction you point out, but I didn't, you're probably right.
 

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Covid was the issue, not the off shoot of the thread. That's the problem. It's become an integral part of the game this year. It dominated three weeks of Rodgers discussions, and cost the Packers a game they could have won.

You can't sweep reality under the rug so you can always have a Kumbaya moment.

Let's hope that by next year this issue will be dead and buried along with the thousands who will have died between now and then, as we continue to grapple with getting it behind us as much as possible. Reality is reality. It can't be sugar coated.

As for me, I hate the subject to be honest! But I won't let someone say something that I consider untrue go unchallenged.

It is an issue affecting the team yes, but there is ZERO reason to go into all the other BS that goes with it. Seriously, the conversations are no longer about the Packers, AJ Dillon or any of the other players who have had their threads sidetracked. There is a massive difference between again discussing out a player being out, or how an illness is hitting them than regurgitating talking points shoved down our throats daily be news media sources, the right wing idiots or the left wing idiots....which revert the topics into a pissing contest which just makes both sides look like adolescent little ignorant children.
 

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It is an issue affecting the team yes, but there is ZERO reason to go into all the other BS that goes with it. Seriously, the conversations are no longer about the Packers, AJ Dillon or any of the other players who have had their threads sidetracked. There is a massive difference between again discussing out a player being out, or how an illness is hitting them than regurgitating talking points shoved down our throats daily be news media sources, the right wing idiots or the left wing idiots....which revert the topics into a pissing contest which just makes both sides look like adolescent little ignorant children.
Couldn't agree more, except it's an incendiary situation that ends up being fueled by just the mention of Covid as part of what happened. A simple, "He should have gotten vaccinated!," comment immediately turns into a disagreement, simply because it was stated.

Expect it to be what it is, until this whole thing is put in the rear view mirror through vaccinations, like it or not.
 

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Couldn't agree more, except it's an incendiary situation that ends up being fueled by just the mention of Covid as part of what happened. A simple, "He should have gotten vaccinated!," comment immediately turns into a disagreement, simply because it was stated.

Expect it to be what it is, until this whole thing is put in the rear view mirror through vaccinations, like it or not.

Not on a football specific forum. It's easy, instead of placing a personal medical opinion upon a situation KNOWING FULL WELL WHAT IT WILL DO - say "He wasn't vaccinated, so according to league policy this happens." Even continue by saying "Not choosing to get the vaccine could make his battle with it worse, let's hope he is fine and has no long term side effects. If it lingers we will need Barnes to continue to step up as he has for some time now. (in case of Campbell)" It is easy to keep it clinical and specific to football.
 

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Folks choose ignorance and say things on purpose just to start **** and that is where I'm done and over it.
 

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There is no evidence that vaccination will eradicate covid. It appears that it will become like the seasonal flu, for which we’ve had shots for decades, which sometimes help and sometimes don’t.

This is the big problem. Some people are deluded into thinking we can totally end covid. This is naive and without basis. But they believe it irrationally and are willing to sacrifice people’s livelihoods, the economy, freedoms, relationships, and more in the name of this goal.

People who see the reality know that we need to learn how best to live with it, with whatever reasonable mitigation that might entail.
Yup it is going to be around forever just like the flu although currently it is much more contagious and many times more deadly, that will likely change with variants and immunity. Nobody’s freedoms are being tromped on by this pandemic. Everyone is just as free as they were before. There have always been rules to enter a business establishment, worker safety, belonging to the military etc. Some new rules have been put in place which is to be expected given a worldwide health threat of this magnitude. certain tribes choose to ignore as they wrap themselves in patriotism and “respect for law” which seems ironic. The economy is perking along pretty darn well. Some (especially) small businesses have been hurt and in some cases destroyed others have flourished and even been created. That happens on s smaller scale for other reasons every day. Always has. Nobody owes their life or the lives of their loved ones to keep a business going. If people would start acting more rationally we would imo be further down the road to putting this behind us. I know I would be out there pumping a lot more money into the economic engine. I knew there were irrational people out there, I just didn’t know there were this many. I don’t hate people who won’t get vaccinated. I think a lot of them are idiots. Get it or don’t get it, I really don’t care but please stop your carping about the consequences of your action. Same with wearing a mask. I could care less if you wear one or don’t in places that they aren’t required. Just like I don’t care if you go barefoot or shirtless in the summer. But when you come into a store a restsurant or airplane where it’s required then I think you should comply… or don’t go in… your “freedom”. With the wealth technology and science at Americas disposal we could have handled this so much better. Stupid should be painful.
 

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Last week unvaccinated I tested positive. I caught Covid from a vaccinated asymptomatic junior high schooler that I was mentoring for the deer hunt. He caught it from his "vaccinated because of his job" father who had shrugged it off as a cold. I did not get it from my dad 14 months ago when he had it. Nor did I get it 10 months ago when I slept every night in the same bed with my wife when she had it. My "vaccinated as soon as he was eligible" 21 year old got it from me. My unvaccinated 28 year old is still symptom free.
How do you know that this is the factual chain of events? The only way I can think of is that you believe what the experts have said about spread and contact tracing. Yet, apparently you do not believe what the experts say about vaccines and spreading.
 

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There is no evidence that vaccination will eradicate covid. It appears that it will become like the seasonal flu, for which we’ve had shots for decades, which sometimes help and sometimes don’t.

This is the big problem. Some people are deluded into thinking we can totally end covid. This is naive and without basis. But they believe it irrationally and are willing to sacrifice people’s livelihoods, the economy, freedoms, relationships, and more in the name of this goal.

People who see the reality know that we need to learn how best to live with it, with whatever reasonable mitigation that might entail.
I disagree when someone compares it to the seasonal flu. Covid does not have a season. It is year round. Now whether you agree with me that it spreads quicker, hospitalizes more, leads to more lingering effects, and kills more people can be up for debate. Calling Covid seasonal is in no way up for debate.
 
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