226th Overall - Ty Summers - LB/TCU

[Favre>Rodgers259]

Discuss.

Good physical attributes, definitely a project guy if they can coach him up.

 

[TomBrownFan40]

eh Time for a burger and a beer.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Sounds like Jake Ryan 2.0

Strengths

• has the strength coveted by teams at the next level;
• an outstanding tackler who delivers forceful blows;
• able to avoid blocks effectively;
• works well between the tackles;
• tested fairly well at the Combine.

Weaknesses

• man coverage is an issue;
• decision-making can be a touch too slow at times
• lateral athleticism doesn’t stand out;
• coverage issues could negatively impact his every-down value;
• injury history is a concern.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

He ran 4.51 at the Combine, so he must really stink it up in coverage to come off the field. I don't get the angle, is he supposed to give Burks pressure?

 

[longtimefan]

@longtimefan can you edit my title? I left off the "s" hitting enter. Strange the forum tools don't allow that.

You can't? Ie posters can't edit their own title?

What about trying to edit your post?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

He ran 4.51 at the Combine, so he must really stink it up in coverage to come off the field. I don't get the angle, is he supposed to give Burks pressure?

Special teams player

I don't know enough about the guy, but trying to read up on him. Sounds like a great tackler and solid against the run or blitzing, but not a guy you want covering anyone. Again, Jake Ryan 2.0

 

[Dantés]

Great. Now sign at least 16 UDFA punt returners.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Great. Now sign at least 16 UDFA punt returners.

Scary, I was thinking the exact same thing! Greg Dortch would be a nice place to start, if he is available.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

You can't? Ie posters can't edit their own title?

What about trying to edit your post?

I figured it out, it's separate from the edit post feature, slightly counter-intuitive but I learned something today.

 

[PackFan2]

https://twitter.com/JimOwczarski/status/1122255297119174656

 

[DoURant]

Great. Now sign at least 16 UDFA punt returners.

Sorry, were at 79 guys right now, we only have room for 11. However, if we cut the returners we already have, we can add a couple more.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

This is Curtis Bolton, a UDFA ILB from Oklahoma, now signed by the Packers:

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/curtis-bolton?id=3219424f-4c61-9634-3ce3-b2d91b2ff885

Based on that, I would say we should have grabbed him over Summers and let him be the UDFA. Both have injury histories, and even though it's still the Big 12 I like the production better, he had in the CFB Playoff against Bama 9 tackles, 4 solo, and half a sack. Also had 23 tackles, 9 solo, and a sack in 2 games against Texas, to include the Big 12 Championship.

Granted Summers has a lot more production in general, TCU just doesn't have the same quality of schedule as Oklahoma who consistently is always pushing for a National Title. To me that matters, I'll take less production against better quality opponents then a "world beater" at a lower level. Neither has elite traits across the board per say to trump the other.

Regardless, I expect one to "stick" as we are still thin at ILB.

 

[AmishMafia]

Great pick. Great athlete who I thought would go earlier. Should make the squad based on his ST play.

 

[Dantés]

It would seem that Martinez is probably part of their long term plans.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

It would seem that Martinez is probably part of their long term plans.

If that was directed at me, absolutely. I'm not a member of the crowd that thinks Martinez is inexplicably sub-par. Is he elite? No, but he's a starting ILB in the NFL. The issue has been finding someone to pair with him. If someone can't be found I expect no less than an early Day 3 selection in 2020.

 

[Dantés]

If that was directed at me, absolutely. I'm not a member of the crowd that thinks Martinez is inexplicably sub-par. Is he elite? No, but he's a starting ILB in the NFL. The issue has been finding someone to pair with him. If someone can't be found I expect no less than an early Day 3 selection in 2020.

It was directed at no one. Just an observation.

 

[OldSchool101]

He ran 4.51 at the Combine, so he must really stink it up in coverage to come off the field. I don't get the angle, is he supposed to give Burks pressure?

Lol on that 1st sentence.
My impression is he was not picked to instantly compete with Burks or Crawford at LB, but rather replace one or both on ST in their transition phase, so essentially just the opposite of pressure on Burks.
Taking either Burks or Crawford’s place on ST as either may get an increased role next to Martinez. With Crawford and Burks both making the top 50 in the league in ST tackles, I believe their presence being lost could hurt the ST unit enough they needed an athletic prototype to fill those shoes.
Just my guess.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

I think it could go either way. I really hope Burks can show something this year.

 

[wist43]

I like Summers... I'll have to watch more of him, but from what I watched I liked him more than Burks.

Will keep looking at his college tape... mostly watched him in the Iowa State game.

 

[gbgary]

i hope he beats out burks. nothing about burks impresses me...yet.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

i hope he beats out burks. nothing about burks impresses me...yet.

For being a 3rd round pick, Burks was a bit disappointing to me as well. However, I think the preseason shoulder injury and the subsequent trade for Morrison kind of derailed getting Burks more defensive reps, reps that are pretty valuable for a rookie. Of course Burks performance on defense against the Patriots didn't help his cause for getting more playing time.

The good news with Burks, he was pretty good on Special Teams and will probably continue in that role. However, to see more playing time on defense, he needs to play faster, get much better at the point of attack, smarter diagnosing plays in front of him and become more aware in coverage.

Personally, I think his position on the 53 is safe, barring any unforeseen situations, but the Packers definitely need him to take the expected 2nd year jump.

 

[OldSchool101]

I think our expectations got the best of us regarding Burks. I believe Burks was a project with upside all along. IMO, he was expected to compete with Jake his rookie season. I believe they expected him to learn ILB under the tutelage of Pettine n Co over the course of 2018 as likely a backup, with potential to start later in the season if Jake went down.
Jake unexpectedly went down early in August and then Burks dislocated his shoulder against Oakland. The GB presumed starter was out indefinitely and his backup was injured for the foreseeable future and they had no solid option next to Martinez.

In comes the Pipkins/Morrison trade deal. Which essentially delegated Burks to ST. Burks led the squad in Tackles and I personally remember him forcing several fair catches that didn’t show on the stat sheet. Not to mention he pinned Miami inside the 20 yard line twice in one game. He adapted to a less than ideal situation but it’s true, he was clearly not prepared to be the starting ILB due mainly to injury and being ill prepared as far as overall lack of LB experience.
He showed a few flashes of his athleticism against the Redskins and Adrian Peterson against the run, but much like Josh Jones learned, he found out that athleticism only goes so far in the defensive passing game at the NFL level.

Another offseason program, preseason, more reps and starting uninjured should help immensely.
I really see him as still as near rookie at ILB due to his lack of play at the position. But his potential to get better throughout the season is what you’d like to see. He did what was expected of him at ST, he didn’t complain, he led the squad in tackles and excelled at the limited role he was given. Burks had clearly earned the right to compete for a starting role opposite Martinez.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I think our expectations got the best of us regarding Burks. I believe Burks was a project with upside all along.

There were definitely a lot of Packers fans expecting way too mich out of Burks during his rookie season.

 

[SoonerPack]

This is Curtis Bolton, a UDFA ILB from Oklahoma, now signed by the Packers:

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/curtis-bolton?id=3219424f-4c61-9634-3ce3-b2d91b2ff885

Based on that, I would say we should have grabbed him over Summers and let him be the UDFA. Both have injury histories, and even though it's still the Big 12 I like the production better, he had in the CFB Playoff against Bama 9 tackles, 4 solo, and half a sack. Also had 23 tackles, 9 solo, and a sack in 2 games against Texas, to include the Big 12 Championship.

Granted Summers has a lot more production in general, TCU just doesn't have the same quality of schedule as Oklahoma who consistently is always pushing for a National Title. To me that matters, I'll take less production against better quality opponents then a "world beater" at a lower level. Neither has elite traits across the board per say to trump the other.

Regardless, I expect one to "stick" as we are still thin at ILB.

As a Sooner fan, I am very familiar with Buzzy (CB's nickname.) He really came into his own this past season and I was a little surprised he went undrafted with how well he tested in Norman. He is a bit undersized which I believe was the main culprit in his going the way of UDFA. Bolton flat out brings it on every snap and has a knack for the big play. He played on a TERRIBLE defensive unit and that is another reason he was often overlooked. I am not expecting him to be an All Pro or anything but I do think if he lands with the right coach, he could be a productive player and maybe even become a starter at some point. The heart, attitude, effort and athleticism is there. The big question is whether or not his strength and size will prove too much to overcome. Hopefully he can do that in GB...

 

[tynimiller]

There were definitely a lot of Packers fans expecting way too mich out of Burks during his rookie season.

To be fair I think some of that was hoping for the production or promise of production like Blake gave somewhat quickly to the Packers. I thought Burks would be much better than he has been...key is has, hoping that changes like everyone else.