2025 Draft Prospects for Packers

[gopkrs]

The reason I didn't give him an A, it took him half the season to start showing who he was. From about week 8 or so on, most definitely an A.

As is often the case imho, it took the coaches that long to play him.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Morgan an F ( Incomplete) I disagree with. He was splitting time with Rhyan until he went on IR, I can see a D/ Incomplete, since he couldn't outright win the job from Rhyan, before the injury, but an F seems harsh.

The other thing that stood out to me was that you gave a D to King, who couldn't get off the Practice Squad, and F's and D- to players who were, for the most part, members of the 53, but mainly Inactive for games. For as healthy as the OL was most of the season, it was difficult for Glover and Monk to get any playing time, other than in the Playoff game at Philly, when guys were dropping like flies.

As for Lloyd, I would just give him an incomplete for the issues he had for the year, no letter grade at all.

Again, I'm rating the "draft pick" by Gute. King was a late 7th round pick. Had he been picked in round 1, he would gave gotten an F-

So for me, the round or investment in a player by the Packers, definitely influences their grade.

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[tynimiller]

Alfred Collins iDL needs to be on everyone’s watchlist for the Packers. He can absolutely play 1tech but doesn’t have to live there if needed. His arm length is insane, his build and frame could easily be heavier if needed and he might be one of the most put together consistent known commodities in the DLs likely to go top 75.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Alfred Collins iDL needs to be on everyone’s watchlist for the Packers. He can absolutely play 1tech but doesn’t have to live there if needed. His arm length is insane, his build and frame could easily be heavier if needed and he might be one of the most put together consistent known commodities in the DLs likely to go top 75.

Top 75? Wow, thanks Ill keep a watch on this guy.

Another subject slightly related. Did the Eagles pick ahead of the Packers last year? They have DeJean and he was mocked to GB a few times. The guy can ball as he showed last night. Just curious.

 

[tynimiller]

Top 75? Wow, thanks Ill keep a watch on this guy.

Another subject slightly related. Did the Eagles pick ahead of the Packers last year? They have DeJean and he was mocked to GB a few times. The guy can ball as he showed last night. Just curious.

DeJean didn't go till the second round so he made it by all 32 teams I'm fairly certain or close depending on teams without a first rounder.

 

[Heyjoe4]

As is often the case imho, it took the coaches that long to play him.

Both of you guys are right. Grading him on production, a B+ is spot on, only because he didn't play for half the season. Looking at total season production, he was non-existent for a long time, and then when they played him, he was a star.

Grading him as a draft pick? That's a lot more subjective and will take at least 2 more seasons. I'm not crazy about grading drafts until these guys get 3 seasons to produce. If Cooper and Williams keep up their current pace, they'll grade out just fine.

DeJean was mocked to GB in a few pre-drafts. And he can flat out ball. Cooper and Williams are having the same impact. I expect they'll be even better next year.

 

[Heyjoe4]

DeJean didn't go till the second round so he made it by all 32 teams I'm fairly certain or close depending on teams without a first rounder.

Now I remember, thanks. Some early drafts had him going earlier and he slid to round two. Helluva player. Thanks.

 

[AmishMafia]

Alfred Collins iDL needs to be on everyone’s watchlist for the Packers. He can absolutely play 1tech but doesn’t have to live there if needed. His arm length is insane, his build and frame could easily be heavier if needed and he might be one of the most put together consistent known commodities in the DLs likely to go top 75.

While watching the Philly DL win that game last night I was thinking Walter Nolen in the first or Collins in the 3rd is probably no longer going to happen. It's a copycat league and IDL value rose last night.

 

[tynimiller]

While watching the Philly DL win that game last night I was thinking Walter Nolen in the first or Collins in the 3rd is probably no longer going to happen. It's a copycat league and IDL value rose last night.

Eh yes and no, Collins in the third I strongly feel is already a pipe dream, but I'm a little more bullish on him. The crazy thing is Philly didn't hardly rush Mahomes at ALL but just put forth one of the more pressure dense games ever in the history of the Super Bowl.

 

[AmishMafia]

Eh yes and no, Collins in the third I strongly feel is already a pipe dream, but I'm a little more bullish on him. The crazy thing is Philly didn't hardly rush Mahomes at ALL but just put forth one of the more pressure dense games ever in the history of the Super Bowl.

Late in the game it was stated that Philly had not run a single blitz. Pressure was all from the front 4. Chiefs OL wasn't bad, or so I thought. But they got obliterated at the LOS. Mahomes normally weasels through the traffic and gets something to Kelce for a big gain. Not sure who was covering Kelce but they sure shut him down.

 

[tynimiller]

Late in the game it was stated that Philly had not run a single blitz. Pressure was all from the front 4. Chiefs OL wasn't bad, or so I thought. But they got obliterated at the LOS. Mahomes normally weasels through the traffic and gets something to Kelce for a big gain. Not sure who was covering Kelce but they sure shut him down.

The biggest issue KC did IMO was they refused to run against the Eagles early...they were one dimensional and then when they wanted to try to not be the game was too far out of hand....the Eagles front needs ran at to keep them honest of their responsibilities....when you let them just pin their ears back though that front may be one of the best pressure producing fronts there has ever been.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Eh yes and no, Collins in the third I strongly feel is already a pipe dream, but I'm a little more bullish on him. The crazy thing is Philly didn't hardly rush Mahomes at ALL but just put forth one of the more pressure dense games ever in the history of the Super Bowl.

I read today that the Eagles got to Mahomes with four DL, rarely blitzing, and that is amazing. That allowed the Eagles to drop seven into coverage. Mahomes, as great as he is, had no chance with that D.

And yes, any D can rush four and drop seven. That's just a strategy. What we saw last night was that strategy executed to perfection by Fangio and his players. I've always believed that the best Ds win SBs. Yeah the Eagles put up 40 and Hurts is the MVP, but the D was the difference. Too bad an MVP-like award can't be given to a group because Philly's D certainly earned one. Six sacks with four rushers. Just unreal execution and athleticism.

And credit to Siriani (sp?) for completely reversing the heavy use of the run game. Barkley was a non-factor as Hurts accuracy and the WR routes were near perfect. Reminds me of the 85 Bears' SB win where the Fridge had a rushing TD and Payton had none. That was another game won by a dominant D.

 

[gopkrs]

Never blitzed

 

[Heyjoe4]

Never blitzed

Unreal. 4 DL producing six sacks. All four of those guys had their ears pinned back, all game long.

 

[tynimiller]

Jackson Slater from Sacramento State is a guy I think PFF and many other sites have MASSIVELY undergraded. He DOMINATED the senior bowl and if he’d have a Georgia G on his helmet everyone would say third round could happen. I have him in my top 125 locks and honestly think he washes out in top 100 for me.

His footwork, anchor and hands are executed at an elite level.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Jackson Slater from Sacramento State is a guy I think PFF and many other sites have MASSIVELY undergraded. He DOMINATED the senior bowl and if he’d have a Georgia G on his helmet everyone would say third round could happen. I have him in my top 125 locks and honestly think he washes out in top 100 for me.

His footwork, anchor and hands are executed at an elite level.

Position? Sounds like an OT from your description (anchor) but not sure. Thanks.

 

[tynimiller]

Position? Sounds like an OT from your description (anchor) but not sure. Thanks.

Yup likely a guard in the league

 

[DoURant]

Yup likely a guard in the league

6'4" 315- 320lbs seems like an ideal size for Guard in the NFL.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yup likely a guard in the league

Sounds like his desire is to be a "swing guard". I know you are high on him and probably rightfully so. The thing is, Senior Bowl aside, the level of talent that he has had to face at Sacramento State isn't going to help elevate him in the draft a whole lot. That said, his experience at multiple positions along the line adds versatility, making him an attractive option for a guy like Gute. He might be that guy we see Gute pounce on in round 3 and most fans will say "What? Who? WTF Gute, that was a huge reach!"

 

[Wraith09]

(1)Jihaad Campbell (2)Savion Williams (3)Dylan Sampson (4)Cody Simon (5)O’Donnell Fortune (6)Jamarre Caldwell (7)Davin Vann

 

[Wraith09]

(1)Jack Bech (2)Savion Williams (3)Aeneas Peebles (4)Danny Stutsman (5)Cam Jackson (6)Kobe King (7)Yahya Black

 

[tynimiller]

(1)Jack Bech (2)Savion Williams (3)Aeneas Peebles (4)Danny Stutsman (5)Cam Jackson (6)Kobe King (7)Yahya Black

Savion has some of the worst drop issues I've seen of late in prospects that many feel is a top 100. He's pulled off my list due to this until late third where his raw skills become too much to ignore.

Since this is the Prospect thread I assume these are names and round grades on them??

 

[Wraith09]

(1)Nick Emmanwori (2)Deone Walker (3)RJ Harvey (4)JJ Pegues (5)Jonas Sanker (6)Ryan Fitzgerald (7)

Savion has some of the worst drop issues I've seen of late in prospects that many feel is a top 100. He's pulled off my list due to this until late third where his raw skills become too much to ignore.

Since this is the Prospect thread I assume these are names and round grades on them??

Savion has some of the worst drop issues I've seen of late in prospects that many feel is a top 100. He's pulled off my list due to this until late third where his raw skills become too much to ignore.

Since this is the Prospect thread I assume these are names and round grades on them??

I wasn’t aware he had drop issues. I just watch highlights on YouTube. He plays fast and with athleticism. Now I know why he’s graded in the third round. I think with all the injuries to the receivers and the ongoing absence of Luke Musgrave, the Packers need to draft multiple receivers. Jack Bech looks like a more durable and effective receiver than what the Packers currently have.

 

[tynimiller]

(1)Nick Emmanwori (2)Deone Walker (3)RJ Harvey (4)JJ Pegues (5)Jonas Sanker (6)Ryan Fitzgerald (7)


I wasn’t aware he had drop issues. I just watch highlights on YouTube. He plays fast and with athleticism. Now I know why he’s graded in the third round. I think with all the injuries to the receivers and the ongoing absence of Luke Musgrave, the Packers need to draft multiple receivers. Jack Bech looks like a more durable and effective receiver than what the Packers currently have.

As of right now and at end of the season Musgrave is full go and Watson is the only WR that has injury questions that would keep him out of 2025 or part of it.

Doubs questions are to many more about where he is in his headspace than his concussion issues. His camp and the team has spoken it doesn't seem like any issues will interrupt him being a full go in 2025.

I do expect GB to target either a top 100 pick WR (second or third round) or likely double dip on Day 3 depending what they do in FA. If they sign any veteran that can come in and stabilize the group I personally wouldn't want Gute to waste multiple picks on a WR and would likely let a prospect fall to my pick rather than stab at one proactively. That could mean Nick Nash falls to me in the sixth or a Jalen Royals makes it to the third...or even say Tory Horton type in the fourth/fifth.

We still have Doubs who has made big plays since he got here and shown he is a stabilizing presence with surer hands than most. Reed who is a versatile threat with the ball in his hands and is HUNGRY to prove his second half wasn't the normal him. Wick who is still literally one of the best separation artists in the entire league - if he like many figures that out he also is a clear WR2 in the league at worst.

Then we have Melton and Heath both who are still solid depth pieces to have around and while I'm not a believe Melton is anything more than that, I'd love to see Heath continue to get more snaps because all he does is produce and has very solid hands.

Personally if Gute doesn't do the crazy big thing and bring Davante back, I am in the camp of hoping it's like a Darius Slayton type signing and we roll into the draft and get a skilled deep threat type like Royals or so to do some of what Watson does for us until he is back.

 

[Heyjoe4]

As of right now and at end of the season Musgrave is full go and Watson is the only WR that has injury questions that would keep him out of 2025 or part of it.

Doubs questions are to many more about where he is in his headspace than his concussion issues. His camp and the team has spoken it doesn't seem like any issues will interrupt him being a full go in 2025.

I do expect GB to target either a top 100 pick WR (second or third round) or likely double dip on Day 3 depending what they do in FA. If they sign any veteran that can come in and stabilize the group I personally wouldn't want Gute to waste multiple picks on a WR and would likely let a prospect fall to my pick rather than stab at one proactively. That could mean Nick Nash falls to me in the sixth or a Jalen Royals makes it to the third...or even say Tory Horton type in the fourth/fifth.

We still have Doubs who has made big plays since he got here and shown he is a stabilizing presence with surer hands than most. Reed who is a versatile threat with the ball in his hands and is HUNGRY to prove his second half wasn't the normal him. Wick who is still literally one of the best separation artists in the entire league - if he like many figures that out he also is a clear WR2 in the league at worst.

Then we have Melton and Heath both who are still solid depth pieces to have around and while I'm not a believe Melton is anything more than that, I'd love to see Heath continue to get more snaps because all he does is produce and has very solid hands.

Personally if Gute doesn't do the crazy big thing and bring Davante back, I am in the camp of hoping it's like a Darius Slayton type signing and we roll into the draft and get a skilled deep threat type like Royals or so to do some of what Watson does for us until he is back.

For me, I'd like to see Gluten bring on a veteran WR in FA rather than use a high draft pick. I've mentioned Tee Higgins but the feedback is that he would be far too expensive for his level of talent and may not be a "fit" in GB. I've come around to that. Higgins at $20 mil/year average would be worth considering, but he's gonna want top WR money, and some team will pay him.

Adams is a non-starter for me. Even if they could agree on a team-friendly deal, I just don't want him back. He decided to leave after 8 or 9 years. In this case, you can't always go home.

They need a solid veteran to lead this group of talented but young WRs, imo. Anyone out there in FA aside from Higgins and Adams?