2024 Badgers Football

What will the Badgers Football win total be this season?


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They're current 2024 class is ranked 25th in the nation. All the regular powers are above WI. They are behind Nebraska (23) and Kentucky (24), which kind of surprises me. The 2025 class is ranked 28th right now. Again, your regular powers are above them with a few outliers.

Looking at the transfer portal for 2024, it was ranked 23. A lot of those players are getting significant minutes. Fickell has said himself that they need to stop relying so much on the portal and develop their own players. They are just in a transitional period right now.

You never know how the rankings ultimately play out. It seems it is better than the past. WI under previous coaching was more in the 50 range. It's a totally different landscape with the portal and NIL money.

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Things have changed so much because of NIL. You need the money being there, and if you don't have it, you can't bring in the type of QB who is a top 10 candidate for a Heisman. It's sad it's gone this way, but it has, and we have to live with it.
 

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Looking at the transfer portal for 2024, it was ranked 23. A lot of those players are getting significant minutes. Fickell has said himself that they need to stop relying so much on the portal and develop their own players. They are just in a transitional period right now.


See, I kind of disagree with this, in part.

Yes, you can't rely on it. However, it and NIL money has completely changed the recruiting process from season to season for all NCAA Sports. Fickell and his staff need to 100% concentrate on both.
 
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See, I kind of disagree with this, in part.

Yes, you can't rely on it. However, it and NIL money has completely changed the recruiting process from season to season for all NCAA Sports. Fickell and his staff need to 100% concentrate on both.
I agree and I think he is talking a bit out of both sides of his mouth. I think he doesn't have an issue with the portal and will use it. He's already proven that. I think it is to settle current rostered players down and keep them from transferring.
 

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There is nothing good about Locke. Nothing. Zip. Zero. Nada. Locke, go to the transfer portal please.

An average QB wins that for WI.

He must have pictures of Longo with a goat or something
 
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If Wisconsin had a QB who could be moderately successful, we'd be able to win some of these games we're getting burned in. Today is a prime example. The Badgers could have, and probably should have, beat Oregon, except for Locke's inability to make the simplest plays. He's not only failed, he's made critical mistakes that have totally destroyed drives, and lost games because of them.

If Fickell can find someone who can do the job next year, at a high level, they could be competitive. So, based on today's market for QBs, who has a few million to throw into the pot to get someone on board who could lead them for three years?

NIL is killing teams like Wisconsin. I think you all know about Texas, and here's an article about Oregon and the NIL money out there.

 

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I won't go too overboard with that last quarter of just terrible officiating, but man that was frustrating. The chop block call, which was blatantly not a chop block call, really screwed the Badgers. Instead of a first down and keeping the ball, they are forced to punt it away. At that point I started watching the Oregon O-line. My god man! How many times can they hold someone and not have it called? There was a long run by James to the left, that the LT literally grabbed and tackled a Badger to turn a zero yard gain into a long one.

Even the way the officiating started with the Badgers defense getting called for "delay of game", when they shifted (legally) players on the D-line. The crappy officiating team at least righted that wrong, by later calling the same penalty (incorrectly) on the Oregon defense.

I'm sorry, but that crew SUCKED! There was Pass interference way too many times that wasn't called.

Anyway, can't let the refs cost you a game, you need to go out there and win them yourselves. Give the Ducks defense credit, they are good. However, the Badgers have a terrible QB and Longo has no imagination or any sense of how to run an offense with a below average QB. While I don't want to run my QB all the time, there were quite a few times when a fake handoff to a RB and a QB run in the opposite direction would have picked up a ton of yards, Oregon sold out for the run every time! How do the coaches not see that upstairs?
 

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Even the way the officiating started with the Badgers defense getting called for "delay of game", when they shifted (legally) players on the D-line. The crappy officiating team at least righted that wrong, by later calling the same penalty (incorrectly) on the Oregon defense.

Announcers I think even stated something like 'At least they are consistent. Consistently wrong, but consistent'

College football is losing interest for me. Athletes should be paid, but right now it is just the wild west with NIL.
 

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If Wisconsin had a QB who could be moderately successful, we'd be able to win some of these games we're getting burned in. Today is a prime example. The Badgers could have, and probably should have, beat Oregon, except for Locke's inability to make the simplest plays. He's not only failed, he's made critical mistakes that have totally destroyed drives, and lost games because of them.

If Fickell can find someone who can do the job next year, at a high level, they could be competitive. So, based on today's market for QBs, who has a few million to throw into the pot to get someone on board who could lead them for three years?

NIL is killing teams like Wisconsin. I think you all know about Texas, and here's an article about Oregon and the NIL money out there.

Is Oregon going to turn into the Dodgers/Yankees of college football... Best team money can buy?
 

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Is Oregon going to turn into the Dodgers/Yankees of college football... Best team money can buy?

IMHO.. Worse. Would be like the Yankees having contracts with teams to supply their gear then using those profits to fund their own player salaries.
 

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IMHO.. Worse. Would be like the Yankees having contracts with teams to supply their gear then using those profits to fund their own player salaries.
Since Nike seems to have deep pockets for Oregon, the rest of college football should blackball them, so they would only have Oregon for sports. I'm talking everything, including shoes, and gear. Schools that work with them are foolish at this point, because what they make from their involvement, they use to beat them through the Ducks.

It's too bad it's gone this way, but it has, and it's going to get even worse.
 

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Since Nike seems to have deep pockets for Oregon, the rest of college football should blackball them, so they would only have Oregon for sports. I'm talking everything, including shoes, and gear. Schools that work with them are foolish at this point, because what they make from their involvement, they use to beat them through the Ducks.

It's too bad it's gone this way, but it has, and it's going to get even worse.
NIL should not be paying players to come to your school by any means necessary, with no limitations or structure.
 

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Where do they go from here? This is only a band-aid for the rest of the season. Next year had better be better than it was this year. The defense played well this year but was let down constantly by the offense. I doubt this will change the problem we have at QB at this point.

Next year, we need a QB that fits the mold of what they want to identify as, not try sticking square pegs in round holes. That's ridiculous.
 

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Where do they go from here? This is only a band-aid for the rest of the season. Next year had better be better than it was this year. The defense played well this year but was let down constantly by the offense. I doubt this will change the problem we have at QB at this point.

Next year, we need a QB that fits the mold of what they want to identify as, not try sticking square pegs in round holes. That's ridiculous.
They don't know their identity
 

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Surprised me.

Now I'll really be happy if Locke is not under center for the next game. Don't care if that person is deemed 'ready', but whomever it is needs to be someone that is around next year competing for the starting role and that isn't Locke.
 

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Maybe Fickell watched the Packer-Bear game and finally decided that a change in OC would possibly spark their stagnant offense as well?

I have expressed my dislike for Longo for awhile now. I just don't think the guy knows how to work with the players he has. Locke isn't a very good QB, no doubt, but Longo hasn't helped him or the offense with his play calling.

I know some will say "Well the coaches don't throw, catch, block or run the ball, so how can you blame them for not executing?" Well, the coaches work with the players all week and they should know their strengths and weaknesses, Longo didn't seem to do that.
 

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Next year, we need a QB that fits the mold of what they want to identify as, not try sticking square pegs in round holes. That's ridiculous.
They don't know their identity

I agree with both statements and think it is why Longo was fired. Longo decided to run an offense that didn't fit the identity of the offense or the players that he had, but it fit his identity. Locke is not an NFL style QB that reads defenses well and can sit in the pocket under pressure and complete passes. How many short underneath routes to a TE or RB did you see him call? Or QB roll outs with the ability for Locke to tuck and run? Very few of any. Instead, it was "run the ball up the middle and if the run game fails, start throwing medium to long passes."

I would have loved to have seen the Badger offense run at a quicker speed and much like what the Bears ran yesterday. Quick underneath stuff, take what the defense gives you and grind the ball down field.
 
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First, super disappointing loss. I don't know Locke, but he is not the answer at QB. They win that game if they have VanDyke.

Next, I feel there had to be something going on behind the scenes to let Longo go. I feel like he is the fall guy here. Fickell is the one that wanted to go the air raid route, so that's why he brought Longo in. I just feel there must have been some in fighting between coaches.
 

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First, super disappointing loss. I don't know Locke, but he is not the answer at QB. They win that game if they have VanDyke.

Next, I feel there had to be something going on behind the scenes to let Longo go. I feel like he is the fall guy here. Fickell is the one that wanted to go the air raid route, so that's why he brought Longo in. I just feel there must have been some in fighting between coaches.

The Badgers and their offense are on life support right now. 2 more losses (Nebraska & Minnesota) will break their 22 year consecutive streak of being in a bowl game. Fickell may even feel that his job is on the line right now and for me, cutting ties with Longo was necessary to try and jump start the offense for those final 2 games.

After the Badgers kicked their 2nd FG in the 3rd Q (4:43 left), the offense failed to pick up another first down for the rest of the game. Yes, the Oregon defense is good and stepped up to win that game, but Longo and the offense totally failed to even put up a fight for the final 20 minutes.
 
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The Badgers and their offense are on life support right now. 2 more losses (Nebraska & Minnesota) will break their 22 year consecutive streak of being in a bowl game. Fickell may even feel that his job is on the line right now and for me, cutting ties with Longo was necessary to try and jump start the offense for those final 2 games.

After the Badgers kicked their 2nd FG in the 3rd Q (4:43 left), the offense failed to pick up another first down for the rest of the game. Yes, the Oregon defense is good and stepped up to win that game, but Longo and the offense totally failed to even put up a fight for the final 20 minutes.
I don't disagree. I just figured it would be at the end of the season. A change at both OC and QB are needed. I figured it would be QB right now and OC in the offseason. I still have to wonder if Fickell wanted some changes and Longo wasn't willing to do so. Maybe that QB change and Longo wanted to stick with Locke. Just seems there is more to it than just bad offense. Maybe I'm overthinking it.
 

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I don't disagree. I just figured it would be at the end of the season. A change at both OC and QB are needed. I figured it would be QB right now and OC in the offseason. I still have to wonder if Fickell wanted some changes and Longo wasn't willing to do so. Maybe that QB change and Longo wanted to stick with Locke. Just seems there is more to it than just bad offense. Maybe I'm overthinking it.
Hard to change QB's now. They are on their 2nd stringer as it is and from what I have heard/read, Freshman QB Mabrey Mettauer isn't quite ready to start. Personally, I think it would be a mistake to throw Mabrey into this mess of an offense.

Right now, the Badgers are playing to win 1 of 2 games, to add a 3rd game (bowl) to their schedule. I think their best chance is to ride with Locke and hope that a new OC shakes things up enough to start a fire under the offense.
 

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"Fickell says Braeydn Locke will remain the starting QB. Fickell said that was never in doubt."

Never in doubt.. lol. Then the QB room is trash if there is no one with the slightest potential of equaling Locke which is a massively low bar.

At least I can stop paying attention the rest of the year. I just can't watch Locke any more.
 

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I'm looking ahead to next year. I have a few guys on my radar that "might" be what the doctor ordered. But first, we need to know exactly what kind of an offense Fickell wants. Longo's offense was more of a spread offense, and that could eliminate a lot of guys right off the bat, if that's not where he wants to go. I think Fick wants a QB who can run both pro set, and run with the ball, when they move into more of a spread offense. I think he wants to be able to use the change ups to keep teams off balance. Let's face it, the Ohio State offense is really the key to success in the Big 10. Find the horses to run it, and you'll win a ton of games. Their offense is a combination of a spread offense with pro-style passing, power run game inclusion, with play action passing and the RPO. You need a QB who is diverse to carry it out. If you're bringing in the O-line, a couple of top receivers, and a TE who can hang onto the ball, and find a typical Wisconsin style power RB, you're going to be a challenger. So, that's my opinion, but I could be wrong. But, based on that, here's guys I see out there.

Jason Eck is a good candidate except he likes to run more of a spread offense. That's pretty much what we were just using, and I think Fick wouldn't be interested. He will want more diversification, and creativity.

Gino Guidugli is a possible choice. He's with Notre Dame. He was going to be with Fickell handling TEs until ND offered him the opportunity to work with QBs. He made Hartman look good last year, and is doing pretty good with Leonard this year who can tuck the ball and run as well as pass. Fick likes that from a QB. He's going to be looking for a Caleb Williams, or Jayden Daniels type. Someone who can force teams to honor all facets of the game. Let's face it, that's what's winning in the college ranks now, and looks pretty good in the NFL too. He might be high on the list, if Fick isn't ticked off at him for jumping ship to ND, and if he's willing to come on board. Of course there's also Mike Denbrock, the OC at ND. The guy actually made Daniels what he is, and has a track record of nurturing QBs. I think that's what's rubbed off on Gino. It would take a lot to get him on board, but it might be a winning choice.

My #1 choice, based on what I see as a high side future, would be Ben Arbuckle who is the OC at Washington State. The guy knows how to create offense, and loves QBs who can think, and use their legs. Ben coached Austin Reed at Western Kentucky, and made him an amazing passer. He also coached Cam Ward, at Washington State, who can put the ball in the air too. He's a good choice, and has a shot at it, but not probably as much as Gino, who looks into the run game a lot more than Ben.

Also on my short list is a guy nobody might even think about. Major Applewhite. He's doing a great job with South Alabama, and is a coaching product that dates to Mack Brown and his Texas juggernauts. Also, a stint at Alabama, with Saban. I think he's a real long shot for the job, but he has South Alabama believing in themselves, and playing good enough football they might get a bowl game. He took over for Kane Womack, who took the job as DC at Alabama. It may not look like a glossy resume, but the guy has smarts, and is creative. He's a real long shot of course.

I do think that the Badgers will go outside their inner circle for the next guy up to be honest. But, it's all conjecture.
 

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"Fickell says Braeydn Locke will remain the starting QB. Fickell said that was never in doubt."

Never in doubt.. lol. Then the QB room is trash if there is no one with the slightest potential of equaling Locke which is a massively low bar.

At least I can stop paying attention the rest of the year. I just can't watch Locke any more.
Locke is there #2 QB. If Love went down, followed by Willis, how good do you think the Packers would be?

I understand all the hand wringing over how poorly Locke has played, but maybe outside of Ohio State, Georgia and Alabama, who has a 3rd string QB that will be a solid starter?

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I understand all the hand wringing over how poorly Locke has played, but maybe outside of Ohio State, Georgia and Alabama, who has a 3rd string QB that will be a solid starter?

Probably no one, but at this point, I'd take more enjoyment out of watching a 3rd string QB try rather than pretending Locke is going to do something. I can't remember a QB (Packers or Badgers) that I just absolutely hated watching play more than Locke.

If I'm a skill position player and I even remotely think that Locke is going to be the QB next year, I'm hitting the transfer portal if I'm on the team.

At this rate Fickell will probably be gone too by the end of 2025 season.
 
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