2024-2025 Season Studs n Duds

[Magooch]

Given the absolute crap we had on Special teams prior to Bisaccia, I am actually ok with him being retained. I also would have been fine with him being fired, if they had a better coach in mind. I read an article yesterday and the Packers special teams actually wasn't as bad as our Packer eye test feels it was. I don't blame Bisaccia for the Narveson debacle, that's on Gute, as is the signing of Brandon McManus. Punting by Whelan was solid for the most part.

Funny enough, for me I'd say it was the opposite - the eye test was better than the "numbers," if you will. In 2022 we finished 22nd in Gosselin's special teams rankings (that was an improvement from last in 2021). Last year we fell to 29th. The 2024 rankings have not yet been released, but I am not holding my breath on much...
We finished:
24th in yards per punt return
14th in yards per kick return
26th in net punt yards (punt yards minus return yards/touchbacks) / 27th in net yards per punt
30th in kickoff return yards against
Etc, etc.
Some of those aren't AWFUL numbers in their own right, but most are still decidedly below-average and certainly nothing that would merit an extension a year early. Probably of equal concern IMO is the retention of the role as assistant head coach and addition of "game management" or whatever. To be fair I'm not entirely sure if anyone could tell me exactly what Bisaccia's responsibilities for either of these roles are, but suffice to say I'm not sure we're getting our money's worth from the league's highest-paid ST coordinator.

What I am waiting to hear, but don't expect it, is a change in the offensive play calling. If I am being honest with myself, I don't think it happens and Matt will once again try to call plays. Ultimately, this is what will either make or break him in Green Bay.

This is kind of what concerns me about the Getsy appointment. Well, "concerns" is probably too strong a word, but i dunno what else to call it. Just feels like recycling the same old things we've already tried before. Why should we expect different this time around?

 

[pacmaniac]

It's probably more the media than the NFL itself that wants to ignore the pre-Super Bowl era.

Here's an NFL.com article talking about the Chiefs three-peat attempt and they acknowledge the Packers won 3 straight championships.

Chiefs' unprecedented three-peat attempt includes being first team to play on six days of week since 1927

"Not only has no NFL team ever won three straight Super Bowls, but none of the eight teams that have won back-to-back Lombardis ever returned to the big game the following year. Three of those squads lost in the ensuing conference title game, two lost in the Divisional Round and three missed the postseason altogether.

Of course, the NFL didn't start in the Super Bowl era, so the Chiefs might be looking to set Super Bowl history, but they're likewise chasing the man whose name adorns the Super Bowl trophy.

Vince Lombardi's Packers of 1965-67 were the last league team to win three NFL titles in a row, claiming an NFL Championship in '65 ahead of winning the first two Super Bowls -- including Super Bowl I against the Chiefs."

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Funny enough, for me I'd say it was the opposite - the eye test was better than the "numbers," if you will. In 2022 we finished 22nd in Gosselin's special teams rankings (that was an improvement from last in 2021). Last year we fell to 29th. The 2024 rankings have not yet been released, but I am not holding my breath on much...
We finished:
24th in yards per punt return
14th in yards per kick return
26th in net punt yards (punt yards minus return yards/touchbacks) / 27th in net yards per punt
30th in kickoff return yards against
Etc, etc.
Some of those aren't AWFUL numbers in their own right, but most are still decidedly below-average and certainly nothing that would merit an extension a year early. Probably of equal concern IMO is the retention of the role as assistant head coach and addition of "game management" or whatever. To be fair I'm not entirely sure if anyone could tell me exactly what Bisaccia's responsibilities for either of these roles are, but suffice to say I'm not sure we're getting our money's worth from the league's highest-paid ST coordinator.


This is kind of what concerns me about the Getsy appointment. Well, "concerns" is probably too strong a word, but i dunno what else to call it. Just feels like recycling the same old things we've already tried before. Why should we expect different this time around?

Again, I wouldn't have been surprised had Bisaccia been fired as well. I think most of us think that if you fire a guy, you automatically upgrade yourself by hiring a new guy. Same with players. It's definitely more complicated than just a "fire and hire to improve" when it comes to coaches and players. If the Packers could have replaced Bisaccia with a Darren Rizzi, than I would have been happy. But if it was to bring in another Slocum, Drayton, Mennenga or Zook, no thanks

In sticking to the whole theme of Bisaccia, Getsy and MLF. Maybe MLF tried to get too much out of Rich and decided to bring in Getsy to take things off of RB's plate? As a fan, I have way more complaints about MLF's offense than I do about the Packers special teams.

At the end of the day, Bisaccia has been known to be a solid ST coach. Was his taking on too many other tasks and not paying close enough attention to Special Teams a problem? Was it a problem with a lot of young guys playing special teams? Or was it all on RB for just being a bad coach? Nobody out of Green Bay is going to tell us the truth there. However, extending him out another year on a contract that would have ended next year, tells me the Packers don't think he is a bad coach.

 

[rmontro]

It's probably more the media than the NFL itself that wants to ignore the pre-Super Bowl era.

Here's an NFL.com article talking about the Chiefs three-peat attempt and they acknowledge the Packers won 3 straight championships.

Chiefs' unprecedented three-peat attempt includes being first team to play on six days of week since 1927

I'm stunned. Stunned, I tell you, that anyone even bothered to mention that Lombardi's Packers pulled off a threepeat of NFL championships. Of course, it leaves out their previous threepeat in the '30s, and doesn't mention that no other team aside from GB has ever done it. It just says Lombardi's Packers were the last to do it.

 

[gopkrs]

The NBA honors its past with the Celtics and Lakers and the NHL with the Oilers and Canadiens. I don't know why the NFL ignores its past before the SB era. The NYG won 4 championships and appeared in 5 before 1965 so your theory about the NY media doesn't hold water. But you are right, it is inexplicable why the league doesn't value its history like other sports do.

And we won 5 out of 7 championships in the 60s. The ones in the 30s, there weren't any playoffs but yes it was 3.

 

[rmontro]

And we won 5 out of 7 championships in the 60s. The ones in the 30s, there weren't any playoffs but yes it was 3.

That is also unmatched, so far. Not that I'm keeping track or anything...

 

[milani]

If he hung in the pocket, he gets sacked without even throwing the ball. That ball hit his tight end right in the hands. That wasn’t a choke by Allen.

I believe the back coming out to the Left would have been open but it would have had to be a quick swing pass. But Allen was not looking that way and the back turned his head a little late. There was only one Chief on that side of the play and there was someone there who could have made a block. They only needed 5 yards.

 

[TiberiusSpock]

I think it's safe to say the Packers took a step back this season. What is of major concern is the Packers played their poorest football at the end of the season. I also believe if Josh Jacobs didn't have a spectacular season we'd be having very different conversations: I think it boils down to next season to avoid massive changes for the 2026 season. My guess is Jordan Love needs to have, at the least, a very good season to stay with the Packers and may not make it to 2026 if he doesn't.

The only person I see as being safe for at least two seasons is LaFleur but, even he, needs to not have two poor seasons or he'll be in the hot seat or, perhaps, gone as well. I think that's unlikely to happen and I think Love getting better is a 50/50 proposition but the Packers should have gotten better this season and they did not.

If the Packers go to the Super Bowl next year, that wouldn't surprise me. If they don't make the payoffs next year, that wouldn't surprise me either. Next season will be fun to watch as it could go either way.

 

[rmontro]

I think it's safe to say the Packers took a step back this season. What is of major concern is the Packers played their poorest football at the end of the season.

It's unusual too, the Packers usually progress as the season goes on. This year it was like the wheels came off, although the defense played well (another anomaly).

 

[gopkrs]

It's unusual too, the Packers usually progress as the season goes on. This year it was like the wheels came off, although the defense played well (another anomaly).

They had injuries with W/O, linebacker and Jaire and others in the D backfield. Those were big imho. The D line played much better but the pass rush wasn't good.

 

[TiberiusSpock]

They had injuries with W/O, linebacker and Jaire and others in the D backfield. Those were big imho. The D line played much better but the pass rush wasn't good.

It doesn't make any difference how great you are if you can't play, there's a point where you have to cut your losses. They'll probably give Watson another year but unless he stays healthy and plays very well, they''ll probably have no choice but to cut him loose. I hope he stays healthy.

 

[tynimiller]

It doesn't make any difference how great you are if you can't play, there's a point where you have to cut your losses. They'll probably give Watson another year but unless he stays healthy and plays very well, they''ll probably have no choice but to cut him loose. I hope he stays healthy.

Just curious you think Tee Higgins is the best available FA WR and likely will get a lot of $?

 

[gopkrs]

Just curious you think Tee Higgins is the best available FA WR and likely will get a lot of $?

Just wanted to put in my 2 cents about him. He's an xlnt receiver and he will be wanting a lot of receiver money.